• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:55
CEST 00:55
KST 07:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview5TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection5Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June0Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview What kind of tool would you be interested in? TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
FlaSh's ASL S21 Finals Review BW animated web series: seeking contributors 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck? Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How cold is too cold to be outdoors?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12734 users

How do you define a talent

Blogs > disciple
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 21:04:02
June 07 2010 21:02 GMT
#1
Watching "Britains got Talent 2010: The Final" last Saturday really pissed me off. For those unfamiliar with the results, a gymnastic group called "Spellbound" won. Now, in all fairness what they did is truly amazing, you can see the winning act here:

My problem with them is, that they are professionals, aside from this contest, Spellbound said they have the Olympics to prepare for as well for some other events. The fact they won, is really in a conflict with the concept of the whole show - find some fat taxi driver who sings like Sinatra, or smth like that - basically give stage to unfound talent, to people that have entirely different background from the nature of their act. Actually I think "Spellbound" shouldn't be allowed to take part in such a competition to begin with.

Talent is certainly part of one's professional success, but if I must define it, I see "talents" as the natural ability to be good at stuff. When you do something professionally and you are really really good at it, of course you need to be "talented" in that area to begin with, but after that it all blurs into a lot of practice and skill. If you want to put things into Starcraft perspective, we can argue a lot who is the most talented StarCraft player. Is it Flash, maybe Jaedong? Why not Savior, nal_ra or Stork, who have half the APM of Flash/JD and still are pretty damn good at the game?

As a wise man once said "its 90% hard work, 5% talent and 5% luck"

**
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 07 2010 21:10 GMT
#2
Hard work is a talent
Writerptrk
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
June 07 2010 21:11 GMT
#3
Talent is getting results from little effort.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 21:12:25
June 07 2010 21:12 GMT
#4
i've never considered singing a talent. its really not impressive, people just like music.

like you said. you can literally find a random taxi driver, some fatass making no money, who can sing amazingly. if that's true, then how impressive is good singing really?

a real talent is something like standup comedy. something you can have a knack for, but still requires work. no one is BORN with the ability to write perfect jokes, but people have a certain affinity for getting it close to right, then perfecting it.

i hate singers.
☆★☆ 7486!!! Join the Ban mOnion Anti-Trolling Initiative! - Caller | "on a scale of machine to 10, how bad is that Zerg?" - LZgamer | you are the new tl.net bonjwa monion, congrats - Rekrul | "Cheeseburgers dynamite lilacs" - Chill
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
June 07 2010 21:14 GMT
#5
I won't argue about the word talent, but I do agree that the show would be better if it disallowed professionals. Although it might be a bit difficult to define a professional (like do you accept people who have done many years of singing classes, etc.).
No I'm never serious.
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
June 07 2010 21:18 GMT
#6
I agree, the people on these talent shows should not show their JOB as a special talent they have, cuz its not. It's like having a Formula One race-car driver competing in a local gokart rally. OFC he'll win, and he'll outclass everyone else and just be the best, but is that really fair to the people who really really want to win, but racing is only a hobby for them and not a job?
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
HCastorp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States388 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 21:32:03
June 07 2010 21:20 GMT
#7
The name "Talent" show is really a misnomer. The show is about what you can do, not about how you gained the ability to do it.

I think your argument about what constitutes talent should be separated from your argument about whether professionals should be on the show or not. As another poster mentioned, the problem then shifts to deciding who is professional and who is not.

IIRC this question has been an issue on this show before, and probably has been in just about every major talent show ever. I think i remember that Fats Waller got banned from the weekly talent shows at the Apollo theatre after winning six in a row, or something like that.

edit To a certain extent, this problem is solved by the self-policing of the entrants. The reason to enter these shows is if you think they will help your career. Above a certain level of accomplishment, the risk of being embarrassed by a poor showing fails to balance out the potential reward of winning.

Not a perfect example, but relevant: A Korean pianist I am acquainted with has won many international piano competitions. I heard about a huge competition in Korea with a massive prize and asked him if he was going to enter. He replied that he was not, because he already had some name recognition and reputation in Korea, and the chance that this would be damaged by a poor showing in the competition was enough (even if you really are the best pianist, there is a large element of luck in a jury's decision) to prevent him from entering.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 21:27:50
June 07 2010 21:27 GMT
#8
If its your job, or you have special training like, being at music school or having a diploma in dancing or whatever, then you are professional. Its pretty simple
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
June 07 2010 21:30 GMT
#9
On June 08 2010 06:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Hard work is a talent


no... thats a pathetic excuse for the less talented to not give up, achievements are a combination of both talents and efforts.


its a hard definitions to define actually, because based on different fields or subjects the definitions for talents varies. if i were to define talents though i would say its the physical and mental characteristic of an individual due to maybe certain genes inherited, that help optimise one's performance at a particular activity.

in simpler terms though, talent is something that lets someone do crazy shits like writing an opera at age 14, ie: Mozart
condoriano
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 21:32:58
June 07 2010 21:32 GMT
#10
On June 08 2010 06:11 mmp wrote:
Talent is getting results from little effort.

I would say talent is the ability to show noticeably better results at something given the same amount of practice.
Ridentem dicere verum quid vetat?
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
June 07 2010 21:32 GMT
#11
On June 08 2010 06:30 Shizuru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 06:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Hard work is a talent


no... thats a pathetic excuse for the less talented to not give up, achievements are a combination of both talents and efforts.


I think there's a big difference between "hard work is a talent" and "hard work is talent". The latter sounds more like what you're arguing against.
No I'm never serious.
HCastorp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States388 Posts
June 07 2010 21:37 GMT
#12
If I go to see a performance, I care very much about the level of skill of the people I am watching. I care nothing for how they achieved it, unless they somehow did so by hurting others.

Hard work is unquestionably a talent. Some people have a far greater capacity for it than others. Most people who achieve a high level of success are talented in more than one way. Saying that hard work is a talent is in no way the same as saying that a person who works hard can always achieve the same thing a more "talented" person would.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 23:09:21
June 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#13
On June 08 2010 06:12 mOnion wrote:
i've never considered singing a talent. its really not impressive, people just like music.

like you said. you can literally find a random taxi driver, some fatass making no money, who can sing amazingly. if that's true, then how impressive is good singing really?

a real talent is something like standup comedy. something you can have a knack for, but still requires work. no one is BORN with the ability to write perfect jokes, but people have a certain affinity for getting it close to right, then perfecting it.

i hate singers.


ABSOLUTELY NO BIAS HERE WHATSOEVER

In all seriousness, I kinda agree with you. But at the same time, I'm not so sure the majority of good singers are born with it. I imagine most people still need to work a fair bit towards getting really good in addition to any natural talent they might have. But I'm sure there's some spectacular singers who were just kinda born with it.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 22:06:53
June 07 2010 22:06 GMT
#14
If hard work is a talent, then success is entirely defined by talent, which simply isnt true
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
June 07 2010 22:43 GMT
#15
That show is stupid and you get some of the most stupidest shit moving up to the next round. How the hell are you going to compare stuff like ... flaming coin juggling to donkey juggling (assuming they both excel in their "skill")? There's no way you can compare the two, yet the judges feel 1 is better than the other.

P.S. I saw "stand up comedy" and immediately though mOnion and then I looked at the poster and lo and behold ... lol
http://www.starcraftmecca.net - Founder
super_toast
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States269 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-07 22:47:37
June 07 2010 22:47 GMT
#16
On June 08 2010 06:12 mOnion wrote:
i've never considered singing a talent. its really not impressive, people just like music.

like you said. you can literally find a random taxi driver, some fatass making no money, who can sing amazingly. if that's true, then how impressive is good singing really?

a real talent is something like standup comedy. something you can have a knack for, but still requires work. no one is BORN with the ability to write perfect jokes, but people have a certain affinity for getting it close to right, then perfecting it.

i hate singers.


I reject that, singing is about 50% raw talent and 50% training, if you have a raw talent for singing you can't hang with people that have trained for years regardless of how good you are. Singing is like everything else that uses your body such as sports, fitness etc. You have to train your vocal chords and your throat muscles to become truly good. Standup comedy and singing both require large amounts of preparation and practice.
Crafting Stars has never been this sexy
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 07 2010 22:54 GMT
#17
not saying that hard work = talent, it's just that being able to work hard in itself is a talent.
Writerptrk
Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
June 07 2010 23:01 GMT
#18
On June 08 2010 06:12 mOnion wrote:
i've never considered singing a talent. its really not impressive, people just like music.

like you said. you can literally find a random taxi driver, some fatass making no money, who can sing amazingly. if that's true, then how impressive is good singing really?

a real talent is something like standup comedy. something you can have a knack for, but still requires work. no one is BORN with the ability to write perfect jokes, but people have a certain affinity for getting it close to right, then perfecting it.

i hate singers.


I really hope you're trolling...
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
Mylin
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden177 Posts
June 07 2010 23:41 GMT
#19
On June 08 2010 06:30 Shizuru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 06:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Hard work is a talent


no... thats a pathetic excuse for the less talented to not give up, achievements are a combination of both talents and efforts.


True but in every field, art or sport you will find a ton of people that are talented but very few with the combination of talent and the ability to work hard.

I'd say its the most essential talent in that without it all your other talents is probably gonna amount to nothing.
no
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
June 08 2010 00:14 GMT
#20
On June 08 2010 06:12 mOnion wrote:
i've never considered singing a talent. its really not impressive, people just like music.

like you said. you can literally find a random taxi driver, some fatass making no money, who can sing amazingly. if that's true, then how impressive is good singing really?

a real talent is something like standup comedy. something you can have a knack for, but still requires work. no one is BORN with the ability to write perfect jokes, but people have a certain affinity for getting it close to right, then perfecting it.

i hate singers.


Good God, you just articulated how I feel about music perfectly. I always considered instrumentalists more talented than singers for this reason.
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 986
Artosis 579
Free 59
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Doublelift3943
JimRising 571
Reynor70
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang01343
Mew2King120
amsayoshi39
Other Games
summit1g11545
Grubby5570
FrodaN4196
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1091
BasetradeTV249
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 56
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• imaqtpie860
Other Games
• Shiphtur272
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 5m
Wardi Open
12h 5m
Monday Night Weeklies
17h 5m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Classic vs Lambo
Clem vs Maru
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
3 days
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
Replay Cast
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.