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Shiverfish
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada95 Posts
May 26 2010 03:07 GMT
#1
When I wrote SC2 is doomed to failure, I wholeheartedly mean what I said. The only reason for SC2's guaranteed commercial success rests solely on the reputation and recognition of SC1. If SC1 were truly a product of real developer talent, and not simply a fluke, the original team has long since left the company. With changes such as Activision's acquisition of Blizzard and hiring the lead developer of Command and Conquer to head SC2, is there really a difference between SC2 and CnC in space? My final point was that UMS creations would easily eclipse the popularity of the ladder game.

But this post is not meant to be a continuation of those thoughts. When I first began posting at TL, people inquired as to whether I even played starcraft. I didn't really play much by that point, but took a marginal interest in the progaming scene. As typical for me, I was not a passionate fan and merely looked at results and some recommended highlights where available. Factors such as repetitive scenes, the lack of surprise if either player won that particular game in most cases (ie. usually no clear favourites), and what would be known as "build order wins", hurt the game's appeal for me.

In fact, the strongest attraction to me towards TL is undoubtedly the community. I had found a unique niche full of smart, respectful, educated, and insightful peers of similar age and background. For me, the community was the main draw and interest in starcraft was just something I followed along with out of convenience and as the common backbone of the community. Even though I am, for the most part, just a lurker myself, I fed on the insights offered by others. It wasn't until I began posting myself that I realized the compliments of a stranger on the internet could unexpectedly be so empowering, meaningful and welcoming.

But sadly, all good times must come to an end. I noticed the presence of some of my favourite posters fade away. TL has begun to lose a lot of its former lustre, for me personally. One reason I attribute to the massive influx of new members as a result of SC2. Perhaps I did not realize the importance and value of quality moderation, a truly great job done by our moderators. It seems, in some sense, that the overall post quality had decreased. A slew of new subforums popped up at the same time, ones which I had no intention of visiting (SC2). I cannot say the newcomers are fouling the community but one must admit the culture has been changing.

These changes were not the entire problem for me, however. Over the past year or two, I had unexpectedly lost my appetite for games. I no longer derived much enjoyment from this hobby, which had been such an integral component of my time spent as a youth. I would not go so far as to suggest that I've "outgrown" video games; in the future, I may return to this medium, but for the moment I can keep myself quite occupied and satisfied with just browsing and absorbing internet content, reading, and brainstorming on a novel I'd like to write.

While I am not altogether leaving this wonderful community , I get the feeling of alienation and becoming an outsider looking in, a position I often place myself in. As interest grows in SC2 (in reality, I believe this statement to be untrue, as those with the greatest interest in it have already experienced it past the infatuatic novelty stage; because of the widespread beta availability, the game's popularity has already peaked even before its release, one of the many follies that hurt SC2), I feel more like a stranger in this place. I trust that some others can understand or share this feeling, even if only in limited aspects.

Since I find myself with some free time on my hands for now (co-op term at job with ample amounts of idle time), I have been approaching my novel as a short term goal. Doing something like that has long been a dream of mine. I was encouraged by the positive responses I received here, because that was pretty much the only writing I had been doing at all. If I ever get around to starting on it, I hope to share my drafts of each chapter as I go.

But what I was really planning on asking is: what other web sites do you know of that features a comparably witty, connected, smart and diverse community? I have been taking note for a while, but have so far been unable to come across a better substitute.

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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
May 26 2010 03:20 GMT
#2
Meh I lost my drive to play games a long time ago but I still visit the site
Never Knows Best.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 26 2010 03:26 GMT
#3
lulz.

I was on the forums of RedvsBlue. I'm still on there. It's a fun place to hang around and people there are sometimes intelligent, but you really have to search in the right places. Else you'll be flamed by intelligent people who just feel like trolling on a Tuesday.

In all seriousness though, in terms of a forum's overall quality, I just persuaded myself to follow the rules of the Internet: The quality of a post (and therefore a forum) degrades with every following post.

It's natural as the internet is the spawn of so many people that it's impossible to reign all of that in. It was inevitable with Starcraft 2.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
May 26 2010 03:45 GMT
#4
TL is probably the best forum on the internet in terms of what you're looking for, so I think you night be out of luck there. At least it's probably the best large one.
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
May 26 2010 04:41 GMT
#5
Really you think SC2 is purely going to be big off of SC1 recognition? The biggest part of recognition about a game is the little rectangular box that says [Blizzard]. Enjoy the ample free time and hopefully you find a intelligent community on the internet...
Brood War forever!
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