• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:14
CET 10:14
KST 18:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge0[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation13Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
What happened to TvZ on Retro? FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2094 users

Greener Pastures

Blogs > Shiverfish
Post a Reply
Shiverfish
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada95 Posts
May 26 2010 03:07 GMT
#1
When I wrote SC2 is doomed to failure, I wholeheartedly mean what I said. The only reason for SC2's guaranteed commercial success rests solely on the reputation and recognition of SC1. If SC1 were truly a product of real developer talent, and not simply a fluke, the original team has long since left the company. With changes such as Activision's acquisition of Blizzard and hiring the lead developer of Command and Conquer to head SC2, is there really a difference between SC2 and CnC in space? My final point was that UMS creations would easily eclipse the popularity of the ladder game.

But this post is not meant to be a continuation of those thoughts. When I first began posting at TL, people inquired as to whether I even played starcraft. I didn't really play much by that point, but took a marginal interest in the progaming scene. As typical for me, I was not a passionate fan and merely looked at results and some recommended highlights where available. Factors such as repetitive scenes, the lack of surprise if either player won that particular game in most cases (ie. usually no clear favourites), and what would be known as "build order wins", hurt the game's appeal for me.

In fact, the strongest attraction to me towards TL is undoubtedly the community. I had found a unique niche full of smart, respectful, educated, and insightful peers of similar age and background. For me, the community was the main draw and interest in starcraft was just something I followed along with out of convenience and as the common backbone of the community. Even though I am, for the most part, just a lurker myself, I fed on the insights offered by others. It wasn't until I began posting myself that I realized the compliments of a stranger on the internet could unexpectedly be so empowering, meaningful and welcoming.

But sadly, all good times must come to an end. I noticed the presence of some of my favourite posters fade away. TL has begun to lose a lot of its former lustre, for me personally. One reason I attribute to the massive influx of new members as a result of SC2. Perhaps I did not realize the importance and value of quality moderation, a truly great job done by our moderators. It seems, in some sense, that the overall post quality had decreased. A slew of new subforums popped up at the same time, ones which I had no intention of visiting (SC2). I cannot say the newcomers are fouling the community but one must admit the culture has been changing.

These changes were not the entire problem for me, however. Over the past year or two, I had unexpectedly lost my appetite for games. I no longer derived much enjoyment from this hobby, which had been such an integral component of my time spent as a youth. I would not go so far as to suggest that I've "outgrown" video games; in the future, I may return to this medium, but for the moment I can keep myself quite occupied and satisfied with just browsing and absorbing internet content, reading, and brainstorming on a novel I'd like to write.

While I am not altogether leaving this wonderful community , I get the feeling of alienation and becoming an outsider looking in, a position I often place myself in. As interest grows in SC2 (in reality, I believe this statement to be untrue, as those with the greatest interest in it have already experienced it past the infatuatic novelty stage; because of the widespread beta availability, the game's popularity has already peaked even before its release, one of the many follies that hurt SC2), I feel more like a stranger in this place. I trust that some others can understand or share this feeling, even if only in limited aspects.

Since I find myself with some free time on my hands for now (co-op term at job with ample amounts of idle time), I have been approaching my novel as a short term goal. Doing something like that has long been a dream of mine. I was encouraged by the positive responses I received here, because that was pretty much the only writing I had been doing at all. If I ever get around to starting on it, I hope to share my drafts of each chapter as I go.

But what I was really planning on asking is: what other web sites do you know of that features a comparably witty, connected, smart and diverse community? I have been taking note for a while, but have so far been unable to come across a better substitute.

*****
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
May 26 2010 03:20 GMT
#2
Meh I lost my drive to play games a long time ago but I still visit the site
Never Knows Best.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 26 2010 03:26 GMT
#3
lulz.

I was on the forums of RedvsBlue. I'm still on there. It's a fun place to hang around and people there are sometimes intelligent, but you really have to search in the right places. Else you'll be flamed by intelligent people who just feel like trolling on a Tuesday.

In all seriousness though, in terms of a forum's overall quality, I just persuaded myself to follow the rules of the Internet: The quality of a post (and therefore a forum) degrades with every following post.

It's natural as the internet is the spawn of so many people that it's impossible to reign all of that in. It was inevitable with Starcraft 2.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
May 26 2010 03:45 GMT
#4
TL is probably the best forum on the internet in terms of what you're looking for, so I think you night be out of luck there. At least it's probably the best large one.
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
May 26 2010 04:41 GMT
#5
Really you think SC2 is purely going to be big off of SC1 recognition? The biggest part of recognition about a game is the little rectangular box that says [Blizzard]. Enjoy the ample free time and hopefully you find a intelligent community on the internet...
Brood War forever!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 46m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 9449
Shuttle 936
Jaedong 608
Larva 359
Killer 287
Zeus 222
Leta 180
EffOrt 172
Soma 127
Rush 87
[ Show more ]
ZerO 81
Light 77
yabsab 36
ToSsGirL 27
Hm[arnc] 8
Mind 6
Noble 6
ivOry 3
Dota 2
XaKoH 431
febbydoto13
League of Legends
JimRising 549
C9.Mang0148
Reynor80
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss499
olofmeister344
zeus204
Other Games
summit1g17805
ceh9443
Fuzer 276
rGuardiaN72
crisheroes38
Dewaltoss19
ZerO(Twitch)2
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream4495
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3197
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 92
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH228
• LUISG 28
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1314
• Stunt492
• HappyZerGling173
Other Games
• Scarra1236
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
2h 46m
Monday Night Weeklies
7h 46m
Replay Cast
13h 46m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 2h
BSL: GosuLeague
1d 11h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
IPSL
6 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.