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Ever)T(Piano's "Gay" TvP

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OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 21:14:46
May 11 2010 21:08 GMT
#1
So after coming across Ever)T(Piano's name in a low apm progamer thread, I went ahead to find out a little more about him. Here are the threads I found:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=38717
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=38718
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=40608

here is a link to his replays available on TL:
http://www.teamliquid.net/replay/index.php?player1=ever)t(piano&team1_race=&map=&description=&uploader=&player2=&team2_race=&search=1

Everybody seems to be bashing him for having "gay" TvP style.... well known and respected community members like FrozenArbiter and DaZe all seem to have a great consensus on how lame his TvP is: turtle off Fast double armory into fast 3rd base.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm does this seem ever so familiar now?

I know flash isn't the guy that invented the double armory build, he just honed it to a much sharper point.

But I'm wondering why flash or any other progamer today that choose to utilize the double armory build aren't considered "gay" by everybody... judging by how piano's style plowed through 200/200 toss armies with significant leftover forces on his side, I don't see why he was discredited as a "gay", when his style obviously worked well against the tosses of his time (and now its a very standard style to play TvP in today).

I started watching pro starcraft with real understanding starting in about 2008, so I am very unfamiliar with the metagame that piano would've played in... around 2006 for these games.

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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 11 2010 21:11 GMT
#2
People play TvP differently now compared to then.
OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 21:14:35
May 11 2010 21:14 GMT
#3
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
May 11 2010 21:19 GMT
#4
times have changed, and maybe piano was just doing it because he didnt have the apm to harass or multitask so people felt it was a cop-out. flash does it because he is so flawless at executing it, and his sublime defenses are actually appreciable.
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 21:23:49
May 11 2010 21:23 GMT
#5
We should blame whatever Protoss Reached the idea of taking a fast 3rd for the acceptance of this style of play. Really, with that massive turn towards macro play in PvT cute 3port wraith/ nuke-rush play has become near impossible impossible to pull off, as you just get stam-rolled by a massive army.

Also, Flash's style came in right when the Six Dragons were destroying on (carrier imba) maps where Protoss went carriers (and most likley won, see Blue Storm, Katrina), and it blocked that strat really well.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 11 2010 21:31 GMT
#6
ever)t(piano whos on woojin now never had low apm. He was also one of the top amateurs for a long time. What I remember was on maps like R-point which had so many bases and was such a big map it was common for terrans to not attack until they were maxed out. Tosses back then also didn't tech to arbiters early enough so 200/200 terran armies were extremely difficult to deal with especially with upgrades. Nowadays everyone plays differently and uses better builds so this kind of turtle till 200/200 tvp style doesn't really work anymore. If terran doesn't come out for 15 minutes toss can just keep recalling to make sure T never comes out. Basically when people have trouble dealing with something they call it "gay."
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
May 11 2010 22:06 GMT
#7
people are just bitchy, he's style isn't gay, its what he does to win. DT rushers are much more gay imo.
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
May 11 2010 22:13 GMT
#8
What does it mean to play in a gay fashion anyway?
No I'm never serious.
lowbright
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
308 Posts
May 11 2010 23:54 GMT
#9
On May 12 2010 07:13 Nytefish wrote:
What does it mean to play in a gay fashion anyway?


it's a description of a game as portrayed by the loser
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prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
May 12 2010 00:25 GMT
#10
TvP can't get more homosexual than this.
( ・´ー・`)
OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
May 12 2010 01:06 GMT
#11
On May 12 2010 08:54 lowbright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 07:13 Nytefish wrote:
What does it mean to play in a gay fashion anyway?


it's a description of a game as portrayed by the loser


strangely enough, piano's play was called "gay" by 2 other terran players (frozenarbiter, daze)

doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1229 Posts
May 12 2010 01:23 GMT
#12
Well, I for one am consistent. I consider the modern terran trend of just mass turtled bases pretty gay :D
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 12 2010 01:29 GMT
#13
On May 12 2010 10:06 OMin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 08:54 lowbright wrote:
On May 12 2010 07:13 Nytefish wrote:
What does it mean to play in a gay fashion anyway?


it's a description of a game as portrayed by the loser


strangely enough, piano's play was called "gay" by 2 other terran players (frozenarbiter, daze)


FA was protoss then.

He then quits BW later and then starts playing again as Terran. (sometime around when medusa was in map pool)
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
May 12 2010 02:17 GMT
#14
where have you been people call flash gay all the time
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