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Vasoline73
United States8073 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
I would love to see it :D | ||
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seRapH
United States9808 Posts
if it comes to that i'm predicting 3-1 ForGG Kal vs ForGG, eh. it depends, i'll watch any game forgg has, but its preferable that he wins  | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
On April 15 2010 07:31 Vasoline73 wrote: Does anyone else get excited about the possibility of a ForGG v Kal match up in the round of 4? ^^. I know I do, I would love to see these guys best of 5 again, especially since it seems like ForGG is showing some flair again. Granted Kal isn't in the Ro8 for sure yet, but it seems like a strong possibility... Who would want that?... ME!!! Deep six! THE STOVE!!! Oh yeah! | ||
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Ideas
United States8173 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
 i'd love to see scouts used again in a high caliber game but i agree with idea. Kal is shaping up to be the most solid P in the world and ForGG is kinda bad  | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States8073 Posts
That said, I could be biased hahaha | ||
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Ideas
United States8173 Posts
On April 15 2010 08:35 DreaM)XeRO wrote: omg i'd love to see scouts used again in a high caliber game but i agree with idea. Kal is shaping up to be the most solid P in the world and ForGG is kinda bad kal actually used them vs hiya in the MSL a little bit ago lol | ||
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Ideas
United States8173 Posts
On April 15 2010 08:55 Vasoline73 wrote: I'm pretty sure ForGG v Kal would be 3-2 for either player. Kal is not as good as everyone thinks (although his results have been great and he's a great player) and ForGG is not as bad as everyone thinks (especially not in a series!) That said, I could be biased hahaha no. Kal is better than most people think he is, and forgg is much worth than most people think he is (especially KT fans lol). | ||
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JimboSilvers
United Kingdom167 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On April 15 2010 08:55 Ideas wrote: kal actually used them vs hiya in the MSL a little bit ago lol did he? i think i missed him the current MSL or the previous? | ||
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Ideas
United States8173 Posts
On April 15 2010 09:23 DreaM)XeRO wrote: did he? i think i missed him the current MSL or the previous? yes the current MSL in the Ro32. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On April 15 2010 08:05 Ideas wrote: only problem is that kal is now easily the best protoss in the world and forgg sorta sucks Easily? I doubt that. He is up there for sure. Kal, to me is the old Leta. He will crush almost everyone he is supposed to beat, but toss him into someone with equal or greater skill, he always disappoints. Stork on the otherhand, loses to scrubs here and there but when he goes up against S-class, he can pull it off. Flash, Jaedong anyone? Shuttle is moving up the list and Movie's control is getting better and better. Free is also doing very well. He is like in between Kal and Stork in the sense that he is upset less than Stork, more than Kal, but takes out less top players than Stork but more than Kal. But still, as of how things look right now, being the best protoss is not saying much. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On April 15 2010 10:48 lone_hydra wrote: Easily? I doubt that. He is up there for sure. Kal, to me is the old Leta. He will crush almost everyone he is supposed to beat, but toss him into someone with equal or greater skill, he always disappoints. Find me someone, anyone else who made Flash look vulnerable like that in the game last night and two nights ago in Proleague. Easily best Protoss lol. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On April 15 2010 11:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Find me someone, anyone else who made Flash look vulnerable like that in the game last night and two nights ago in Proleague. Easily best Protoss lol. Look at his records though. When was the last time he actually beat another top player? FBH makes Flash look vulnerable sometimes. I know Kal has strong gameplay but he cannot deliver results versus top players. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
If you've actually seen his games you'll see that he plays extremely, extremely solid Starcraft. Compare his play to Stork vs. Hwasin last night - Stork, long known as being solid and steady, made so many mistakes, and this has been going on in many of his games. Kal, on the other hand, makes very few mistakes and all his losses were straight up good play from the winner and solid play from Kal. (OK the game against great was kinda facepalm, but that's like one game :3) I don't think anyone who has seen Kal's recent games and other Protosses' recent games will argue for Kal being anything but top Protoss. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On April 15 2010 12:11 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: So basically you don't actually watch any of his games you just look at TLPD and go "hurp he's 5-5 with wins against scrubs." If you've actually seen his games you'll see that he plays extremely, extremely solid Starcraft. Compare his play to Stork vs. Hwasin last night - Stork, long known as being solid and steady, made so many mistakes, and this has been going on in many of his games. Kal, on the other hand, makes very few mistakes and all his losses were straight up good play from the winner and solid play from Kal. (OK the game against great was kinda facepalm, but that's like one game :3) I don't think anyone who has seen Kal's recent games and other Protosses' recent games will argue for Kal being anything but top Protoss. Shuttle? Movie? Free? Have you watched their games? Their play easily rivals Kal. When was the last time Kal beat Jaedong or Flash, Stork, Bisu etc? So what if you bring top game vs. Flash? So many people play so good vs. Flash cause they practice so hard for him. Even Jaehoon, Kwanro, FBH, almost beat Flash. I am not saying Kal sucks. But saying Kal is By Far the best protoss is wrong. He is strongly in the competition with the fall of Bisu. But playing good against winners is not enough, you gotta beat the winners. And yes, I watch many of his games along with many other tosses. His play is good, but there is no way is it, at least not noticeably, better than other decent tosses now. Stork taking games off Jaedong and Flash while Kal loses over and over again not count for anything? Btw, I agree Kal's play looks more solid than Storks, but the difference in results offsets that. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
Movie is terrible. Look at his PvPs and PvTs - it's very shaky and easy to exploit. Even in his PvZ, he was in serious danger of losing to Hogil whereas in, for example, Kal vs. Kwanro, Kal just controlled the game straight up from the minute it started and never gave his opponent a chance. Compare Kal vs. Flash to Shuttle vs. Flash in WL to see the vT different. Shuttle is probably better at continuous macro than Kal, but is still overall the weaker player. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
with Hydra winning i doubt Kal will lead Toss anywhere :l. he will always be #2 | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On April 15 2010 13:29 Kenpachi wrote: what im hoping for is a Hydra vs BaBy finals with Hydra winning i doubt Kal will lead Toss anywhere :l. he will always be #2 Kal always gets blocked by Jaedong deep in tournaments. With Jaedong out of the picture, he might make a run for it. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On April 15 2010 13:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: We're talking top Protoss right now - Stork is in no condition to take a game off Flash or Jaedong. Movie is terrible. Look at his PvPs and PvTs - it's very shaky and easy to exploit. Even in his PvZ, he was in serious danger of losing to Hogil whereas in, for example, Kal vs. Kwanro, Kal just controlled the game straight up from the minute it started and never gave his opponent a chance. Compare Kal vs. Flash to Shuttle vs. Flash in WL to see the vT different. Shuttle is probably better at continuous macro than Kal, but is still overall the weaker player. Have you not watched any of Movie's recent PvP games? Or any of his PvT games? Excellent control (his PvT decision making can be really bad though). And comparing a game>10minutes vs. Hogil and vs. Kwanro is so bad. I mean, Kwanro let a dt kill 10 drones when he had detection and hydras at the base. Also, Shuttle did not practice hard for Flash in WL since I doubt he was expecting 3 kills.Unlike Kal and Calm who mut have praticed very hard to snipe. Also, why was Shuttle, and not Kal, sent out to snipe in R4 ace match vs KT expecting Flash? And you still have not addressed the issue with Free. I do agree Kal is playing better than Stork and Shuttle OVERALL, but he is not superior. Once again, I am not arguing Kal is not great, I am arguing that Kal is not a league ahead of everyone else. | ||
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