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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
March 11 2010 04:35 GMT
#101
You actually can't get fired for being sick as long as you can prove it so either stop complaining and do that or suck it up.

That's the advice that should've been given.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-11 04:36:44
March 11 2010 04:36 GMT
#102
On March 11 2010 13:08 Caphe wrote:
When I used to work. I only leave work 2 days in one year. But I can come late 5/10 minutes if i want. And that is in Vietnam. I'd expect a much stricter work discipline in developed countries.
To OP maybe they just didnt want you. But you need to learn from this. 2 days off work w/o emergency situation in your first month is alot. Cos the first few months you are in, everybody is watching you.


it completely depends on the job but usually most office jobs don't really care when you come in. i can come in anytime between like 8 and 930 and nobody's gonna care long as i put in the work and am there for the core hours
of course this is different if you're meeting external deadlines (i.e. working on trading floor etc)

@OP, sorry man, such is life. but to be fair.. it sounds like it was a pretty trivial "sickness" if it only affected you for a day or 2, so you should have come in. a runny nose/coughing/sneezing isn't going to hurt anyone. even a slight fever is no big deal. now if you are feeling nauseated, or puking, etc. then you stay home. surely you can see how the two are different

edit @ack, don't be naive
if they can't fire you for being sick, they can find something else, if they really want to let you go
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
March 11 2010 05:14 GMT
#103
Just go to work, and wear one of those hospital masks/masks that cover your nose and mouth that everyone here in Japan wears. No problem!
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
March 11 2010 08:45 GMT
#104
Epicfailguy pretty much summed it up. You probably had a poor attitude about things and weren't particularly shining. Taking 2 days off without even going to a doctor likely just confirmed that to your boss who wisely let you go.

And for you people talking about pissing off coworkers getting them sick, I'd be much more pissed off picking up the slack of being understaffed because someone who hasn't even proven himself called in on account of runny nose. Come in sick and they'll send you home if it's legit.

For the record, I've worked labor intensive kitchen shifts when I couldn't bend my knee because it'd swollen from bruising to three times its normal size. These bruises gotten of course from working the same shifts. Eventually I got it drained at a hospital after a week of not going down. But, when I did finally have to call in sick one weekend, it was well understood to be legitimate without even a doctor's note.

I'm kinda wondering what jobs half the posters here work where they are unenthusiastic and call in over trivial stuff. Never been in the corporate world though, maybe it works different lol.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
March 11 2010 09:31 GMT
#105
The first day I signed my offer letter.

The second day I called for a sick leave.

They still love me.

They thought you were slacking off, that's why they fired you (yes I'm stating the obvious here, but w/e). IMO, they were a little bit too strict over this matter but hey it's their company and it's how they treat people. I guess you wouldn't fit there anyway. Is that a big firm? Did they spend a lot of time on the recruitment process?
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
March 11 2010 11:38 GMT
#106
On March 11 2010 03:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you can come to norway and get a job, you don't get fired for being sick and you'll have lots of fellow countrymen to work with.. like 25% of my co-workers are swedish lol.


Haha true since even a ape can get a job in norway, you don´t even need a education to earn good money
I would have kick also kick one that calls in sick 2 times without a doctors attest, since it´s at least 10% of a monthly workingtime.
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
March 11 2010 13:05 GMT
#107
Gotta be careful with those sick days so early in your new job.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
March 11 2010 13:52 GMT
#108
is it possible that the OP's boss didnt like him and just used the sick-days thing as an excuse to fire him?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7916 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-11 15:12:06
March 11 2010 14:16 GMT
#109
On March 11 2010 22:52 29 fps wrote:
is it possible that the OP's boss didnt like him and just used the sick-days thing as an excuse to fire him?

Everything is possible. Nobody has a single idea about anything in this whole story: what was the job precisely, what was his relation with other people, how did he work, what the boss was thinking and why and how, how sick he was, etc etc etc etc without which everything is just silly speculations and judgement made out nothing. But, oh well, people love to make great sentences without having a clue.

The only decent thing to say is that one is sorry for this guy who lost his job, that shit happens and good luck for the future. And that maybe, to quote one of the clever post of this thread, gotta be careful next time.

Obviously, it's more entertaining to say that lolroflyouloserhahahayouaresodumbwtf.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Asjo
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Denmark664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-11 20:01:43
March 11 2010 19:03 GMT
#110
I'm sorry to hear about the attitude in this thread. They way I see it, if people are sick, they should stay home. If they are just feeling bad, they can evaluate whether they feel it's necessary to stay home, and if they do, you should respect that. People should take care of themselves, and if they do, I'm sure it will be the better for everyone in the end.

I think it's terrible if there is such distrust from an employer that you have to show a doctor's note after just one sick day. I believe it's normal practive in Denmark (with many variations, of course) that if you are sick for around four days in a row, you show your employer a doctor's note, just so that they know they are not being yanked around. If people have to bother about getting a doctor's note (instead of resting at home), I'm sure it won't be benificial to their recovery process, so it wouldn't really be in the interest of the employer.

I think it shows a lack of respect for your employees if you do not allow people to be sick. And yes, depending on the work, sick days can be quite detrimental to the work place, but really, two days in a month a lot - it simply requires that you get sick once a twice, which is not inconceivable. That said, given the words of Osmoses, I don't think the sick days did it, like many other said. I think that you have a realize a lot of things lie in non-verbal communication. No one likes working with someone who doesn't seem invested or gives off a bad vibe. Often your exterior will show much more than you think, even things you're not consciously feeling. I think it's important to try to be positive about work and make the best of it. When you have just started in a new work place, you are still being evualuated. Therefore, if they make judgements about your character, they will not provide you with "negative feedback", but simply take not of this. Once they decide to keep you, I'm sure they would be much more open to feedback, but first they need to see who you are. In Denmark I believe there is a legal three-month evaluation period at the end of which the employer can decide whether to hire you. After that, it gets much more difficult to fire you and also they have to pay for your loss of salary if they fire you immediately (otherwise you would get to work for whenever length the notice for firing someone would be). So, with this in mind, employers are much more careful while people are still in their evaluation period. You shouldn't lose all confidence because of this incident, but keep in mind that they might be insecure and have a tough time of knowing whether to keep you.

In my old working place, a guy displayed some signs of chronical sickness within the first three months. So, even though he was doing decently and was appreciated at the work place, they did not dare to keep him. From what I understood of what people were saying afterwards, this had apparantly happened to him in other jobs before, and it unfortunately seemed unlikely that he would be able to keep down a regular job. Another guy had worked with us for over a year, but then suddenly stayed away for a longer period of time. He might have been generally sick, but because he didn't seem to care to stay in contact and didn't emphasise about the situation, both my boss and his colleague grow more and more disillutioned over him, and in the end he was let got (on a technicality; fired in absense or failure to comply with some request, I believe). Another guy was sick quite frequently in periods, legitimately, and people had been moaning about this as well, but he was quite talented and had a good work spirit. Even though eventually my boss was demanding more documentation and explanation, he was kept on board and is a crucial part of the team. The doctors eventually got it right, and I believe he's doing much better today, even if his sickday average might still be slightly higher than most others.

Edit: All of the above said, I personally have quite high work morals, and in my five years of work experience, I have only had a single sick day. I have certainly been to work a few times where I was barely standing (didn't feel at any risk of contaminating others). Still, I guess generally I have just been quite healthy and I have loved whatever work I did. I never felt forced to come to work agianst my will, which I guess also increased my sense of responsibility.
I am not sure what to say
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
March 12 2010 02:36 GMT
#111
this is just like an FML entry.

and everyone's giving him the YDI.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3821 Posts
March 12 2010 03:36 GMT
#112
On March 11 2010 00:54 Osmoses wrote:

"Get a doctor's note"? You think I should go to a doctor and get a NOTE for being out sick from WORK for one day at a time?
.

In a word, yes.

I don't know your entitlements or local rights insofar as time off/sick leave are concerned, but by your own admission it was your first month at the place. You should have played it much safer IMO. For all they know, you're some slacker calling in sick because you had a big night out with the boys.
Asjo
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Denmark664 Posts
March 13 2010 10:10 GMT
#113
It's completely unfair. Topics always die when I post in them
I am not sure what to say
lastprobeALIVE
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States974 Posts
March 22 2010 23:50 GMT
#114
dont feel bad! as for the op his attitude sounded like crap, you cant go into a job thinking you're at the top of the totem pole when you're really at the bottom and have to work your way up. obv your boss didnt think you were a necessity if he fired you that easily. BUT you can learn from this experience and try again!
when in doubt DT out
Always
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States376 Posts
March 23 2010 05:20 GMT
#115
sorry to hear dude. i really hope you land your next job soon though!

if you were really too sick to go into work, it's outside of your control anyways. unless you think you might be able to get your job back, move on! it's the last thing you want to hear, but the first thing you should do =)
"Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error." - Linus Pauling
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7916 Posts
March 23 2010 07:05 GMT
#116
On March 23 2010 08:50 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
dont feel bad! as for the op his attitude sounded like crap, you cant go into a job thinking you're at the top of the totem pole when you're really at the bottom and have to work your way up. obv your boss didnt think you were a necessity if he fired you that easily. BUT you can learn from this experience and try again!

Why on earth did you need to bump this thread for saying somethinng that everybody said before you?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 23 2010 07:34 GMT
#117
On March 10 2010 23:41 Shade692003 wrote:
Plenty of jobs out there. It's like a woman dumping you. There's alot of fishs in the sea.


Haha
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 17 2010 18:13 GMT
#118
On March 12 2010 04:03 Asjo wrote:
I'm sorry to hear about the attitude in this thread. They way I see it, if people are sick, they should stay home. If they are just feeling bad, they can evaluate whether they feel it's necessary to stay home, and if they do, you should respect that. People should take care of themselves, and if they do, I'm sure it will be the better for everyone in the end.

I think it's terrible if there is such distrust from an employer that you have to show a doctor's note after just one sick day. I believe it's normal practive in Denmark (with many variations, of course) that if you are sick for around four days in a row, you show your employer a doctor's note, just so that they know they are not being yanked around. If people have to bother about getting a doctor's note (instead of resting at home), I'm sure it won't be benificial to their recovery process, so it wouldn't really be in the interest of the employer.

I think it shows a lack of respect for your employees if you do not allow people to be sick. And yes, depending on the work, sick days can be quite detrimental to the work place, but really, two days in a month a lot - it simply requires that you get sick once a twice, which is not inconceivable. That said, given the words of Osmoses, I don't think the sick days did it, like many other said. I think that you have a realize a lot of things lie in non-verbal communication. No one likes working with someone who doesn't seem invested or gives off a bad vibe. Often your exterior will show much more than you think, even things you're not consciously feeling. I think it's important to try to be positive about work and make the best of it. When you have just started in a new work place, you are still being evualuated. Therefore, if they make judgements about your character, they will not provide you with "negative feedback", but simply take not of this. Once they decide to keep you, I'm sure they would be much more open to feedback, but first they need to see who you are. In Denmark I believe there is a legal three-month evaluation period at the end of which the employer can decide whether to hire you. After that, it gets much more difficult to fire you and also they have to pay for your loss of salary if they fire you immediately (otherwise you would get to work for whenever length the notice for firing someone would be). So, with this in mind, employers are much more careful while people are still in their evaluation period. You shouldn't lose all confidence because of this incident, but keep in mind that they might be insecure and have a tough time of knowing whether to keep you.

In my old working place, a guy displayed some signs of chronical sickness within the first three months. So, even though he was doing decently and was appreciated at the work place, they did not dare to keep him. From what I understood of what people were saying afterwards, this had apparantly happened to him in other jobs before, and it unfortunately seemed unlikely that he would be able to keep down a regular job. Another guy had worked with us for over a year, but then suddenly stayed away for a longer period of time. He might have been generally sick, but because he didn't seem to care to stay in contact and didn't emphasise about the situation, both my boss and his colleague grow more and more disillutioned over him, and in the end he was let got (on a technicality; fired in absense or failure to comply with some request, I believe). Another guy was sick quite frequently in periods, legitimately, and people had been moaning about this as well, but he was quite talented and had a good work spirit. Even though eventually my boss was demanding more documentation and explanation, he was kept on board and is a crucial part of the team. The doctors eventually got it right, and I believe he's doing much better today, even if his sickday average might still be slightly higher than most others.

Edit: All of the above said, I personally have quite high work morals, and in my five years of work experience, I have only had a single sick day. I have certainly been to work a few times where I was barely standing (didn't feel at any risk of contaminating others). Still, I guess generally I have just been quite healthy and I have loved whatever work I did. I never felt forced to come to work agianst my will, which I guess also increased my sense of responsibility.


I think what he said is really good.

You should either avoid being sick, or have extremely good work-ethics / experiences / abilities to make up for it.
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
November 17 2010 18:33 GMT
#119
LOL
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 17 2010 19:04 GMT
#120
On March 10 2010 23:48 jOke.Baka wrote:
Your fault for slacking.
Better luck next time you failure.
Oh and there are NOT plenty of jobs out there like shade said, so good luck with that.


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