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On March 09 2010 03:08 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 03:05 mdb wrote:On March 09 2010 02:57 minus_human wrote:
whoa man what the hell
Nobody I know hates Bulgarians. And yes Europeans, the farther to the east they are, the more different they seem to be than Western society regarding things like humor, and its many nuances Well, imo our (and by our I mean bolkan peninsula) sense of humor is pretty bad. And one of the reasons for it exactly that. Its too hard for us to make fun of ourselves and I kinda agree that we are not that good with sarcasm comared to the "western world". You guys need a history lesson: "The Hungarians hate Romanians, the Romanians hate Bulgarians, the Bulgarians hate the Turks and the Turks hate the Greeks." (I took it from a "Balkan countries" article).
lol why do you hate us
I mean, i can understand why we should hate Turkey, but come on man. we`re cool with romanians
+ Show Spoiler + maybe you hate us, because we can understand sarcasm better than you?
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I can't hate Romanians, they make mititeis.
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On March 09 2010 03:11 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 03:08 cyclone25 wrote:On March 09 2010 03:05 mdb wrote:On March 09 2010 02:57 minus_human wrote:
whoa man what the hell
Nobody I know hates Bulgarians. And yes Europeans, the farther to the east they are, the more different they seem to be than Western society regarding things like humor, and its many nuances Well, imo our (and by our I mean bolkan peninsula) sense of humor is pretty bad. And one of the reasons for it exactly that. Its too hard for us to make fun of ourselves and I kinda agree that we are not that good with sarcasm comared to the "western world". You guys need a history lesson: "The Hungarians hate Romanians, the Romanians hate Bulgarians, the Bulgarians hate the Turks and the Turks hate the Greeks." (I took it from a "Balkan countries" article). lol why do you hate us I mean, i can understand why we should hate Turkey, but come on man. we`re cool with romanians
Because you guys all over the Balkans have been rather consistently at war for most of the last hundred years.
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On March 09 2010 02:54 mdb wrote:
I understand why my romanian friends get angry about all this "sense of humor stuff" (although apparantly romanians hate bulgarians), but I dont think there are any bad intentions when this "sarcasm" joke is said.
I think its a common problem for us eastern europeans to be a bit too much proud of ourselves and we seem to take innocent jokes too hard.
I may not be your romanian friend, but i certainly don't get angry over this (in fact i see it as funny) and neither hate bulgarians, and to be honest i don't know how you came up with that because i haven't really heard of my co-nationals to be hating bulgarians. May you be mixing it with the hungarians, oh yes there's a bit of hate between the two people but with bulgarians? Neah...
On topic, i live in Bucharest so can't help you in Timisoara  .
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oh yes there is, for the football matches.
anyway, I love romanian sarcasm jokes.
edit: oh and for the op, Timisoara is pretty good, they have some damn good clubs and plenty of ladies.
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On March 09 2010 03:11 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 03:08 cyclone25 wrote:On March 09 2010 03:05 mdb wrote:On March 09 2010 02:57 minus_human wrote:
whoa man what the hell
Nobody I know hates Bulgarians. And yes Europeans, the farther to the east they are, the more different they seem to be than Western society regarding things like humor, and its many nuances Well, imo our (and by our I mean bolkan peninsula) sense of humor is pretty bad. And one of the reasons for it exactly that. Its too hard for us to make fun of ourselves and I kinda agree that we are not that good with sarcasm comared to the "western world". You guys need a history lesson: "The Hungarians hate Romanians, the Romanians hate Bulgarians, the Bulgarians hate the Turks and the Turks hate the Greeks." (I took it from a "Balkan countries" article). lol why do you hate us I mean, i can understand why we should hate Turkey, but come on man. we`re cool with romanians
You should go to a Romania-Bulgaria football match =))
You seem to be friendly, so I have no reason to hate you, but I expect the majority of bulgarians/hungarians to hate us (not like starting a war, but making stupid jokes about our nation), so I feel like we should have the same feelings for your countries.
edit: wait, I take the "friendly" thing back after seeing your spoiler LOL
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On March 09 2010 02:57 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 02:45 minus_human wrote:On March 09 2010 00:52 Chill wrote:
Romania what are you doing? It's such a self-fulfilling prophecy. EVERY TIME. How can it be a self fulfilling prophecy when a relatively new poster has no idea about the retarded TL meme of making fun of Romanians? Yes he did not found it funny and I for one am fucking sick and tired of all the brainless sheep trying to be funny at my expense, however I don't sweat it since it's a goddamn internet forum. I guess it brings a sense of accomplishment to certain posters who use English as their native language to make fun of people who lack the linguistic means of defending themselves, or occasionally miss the humor of said native English speakers. It really annoys, since what brings people to this website is the passion for a video-game, not for the English language. Because 75% of the time someone doesn't understand a joke involving sarcasm, he is Romanian. I don't know why Romanians are so offended. You can see this happening. Just accept it and laugh it off instead of pretending it doesn't happen.
I know you're not quoting a fact when you say 75% of the time, but for the sake of argument let's assume it's true. If Romanians usually miss sarcasm, why would it be good to point it out? As evidence of this thread, it completely derails discussion. The reasons it's done is because it's amusing. I would argue that the negative feeling for Romanians outweighs the pros of some people finding it amusing.
The joke isn't funny for me anymore. If I may make up a fact, 95% of the time the use of "romanian" is uncreative. A poster will quote someone who they think missed sarcasm and just say "romanian." It's an inside-joke on TL and also beaten to death. Hell, if you need to tell someone that they missed sarcasm, it's usually the original posters fault. Sarcasm is especially hard to use on the internet because there is no intonation and you don't know the majority of posters personally.
The post in this thread is the one of the 5% and even then it's not very witty. Some people found it amusing because they got the reference, some romanians and others were upset about it, and the thread has gone no where. If anything, the OP is going to get less responses from Romanians because they are unhappy with TL.
Using the word Romanian as a generalization for people who miss sarcasm is discrimination. I don't think it should be used at all because the cons outweigh the pros.
Edit: This is my perspective as a non-Romanian but from what I've observed. Take it or leave it but discussion is welcome.
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On March 09 2010 03:14 tirentu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 03:11 mdb wrote:On March 09 2010 03:08 cyclone25 wrote:On March 09 2010 03:05 mdb wrote:On March 09 2010 02:57 minus_human wrote:
whoa man what the hell
Nobody I know hates Bulgarians. And yes Europeans, the farther to the east they are, the more different they seem to be than Western society regarding things like humor, and its many nuances Well, imo our (and by our I mean bolkan peninsula) sense of humor is pretty bad. And one of the reasons for it exactly that. Its too hard for us to make fun of ourselves and I kinda agree that we are not that good with sarcasm comared to the "western world". You guys need a history lesson: "The Hungarians hate Romanians, the Romanians hate Bulgarians, the Bulgarians hate the Turks and the Turks hate the Greeks." (I took it from a "Balkan countries" article). lol why do you hate us I mean, i can understand why we should hate Turkey, but come on man. we`re cool with romanians Because you guys all over the Balkans have been rather consistently at war for most of the last hundred years.
LOL
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nahh, seriously now, those who get upset at romanian jokes should start gettin` out more.
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On March 09 2010 03:14 freelander wrote:
I can't hate Romanians, they make mititeis.
ROFL <3 !
Also, only uneducated people hate others just based on their nationality. I don't hate Bulgarians, Hungarians or any other nation. It's just silly to say "you're from x country so you must be a total jerk"
As for the Romanian joke, most Romanians who post on TL are fairly new so they don't know the inside jokes and that's why they're easily confused. I also see a ton of people that are confused by a lot of other things and noone tells them that they lack humour,sarcasm or whatever so their whole nation must be lacking that too.
On March 08 2010 19:20 29 fps wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2010 19:17 GunSec wrote:
I didn't get it with the comedy club lol i dont either, but it's still funny. lol
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On March 09 2010 03:21 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 03:11 mdb wrote:On March 09 2010 03:08 cyclone25 wrote:On March 09 2010 03:05 mdb wrote:On March 09 2010 02:57 minus_human wrote:
whoa man what the hell
Nobody I know hates Bulgarians. And yes Europeans, the farther to the east they are, the more different they seem to be than Western society regarding things like humor, and its many nuances Well, imo our (and by our I mean bolkan peninsula) sense of humor is pretty bad. And one of the reasons for it exactly that. Its too hard for us to make fun of ourselves and I kinda agree that we are not that good with sarcasm comared to the "western world". You guys need a history lesson: "The Hungarians hate Romanians, the Romanians hate Bulgarians, the Bulgarians hate the Turks and the Turks hate the Greeks." (I took it from a "Balkan countries" article). lol why do you hate us I mean, i can understand why we should hate Turkey, but come on man. we`re cool with romanians You should go to a Romania-Bulgaria football match =)) You seem to be friendly, so I have no reason to hate you, but I expect the majority of bulgarians/hungarians to hate us (not like starting a war, but making stupid jokes about our nation), so I feel like we should have the same feelings for your countries. edit: wait, I take the "friendly" thing back after seeing your spoiler LOL
That has next to nothing to do with Romanians or Bulgarians, fanatic soccer supporters are a common thing throughout many countries in Europe.
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On March 09 2010 03:22 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 02:57 Chill wrote:On March 09 2010 02:45 minus_human wrote:On March 09 2010 00:52 Chill wrote:
Romania what are you doing? It's such a self-fulfilling prophecy. EVERY TIME. How can it be a self fulfilling prophecy when a relatively new poster has no idea about the retarded TL meme of making fun of Romanians? Yes he did not found it funny and I for one am fucking sick and tired of all the brainless sheep trying to be funny at my expense, however I don't sweat it since it's a goddamn internet forum. I guess it brings a sense of accomplishment to certain posters who use English as their native language to make fun of people who lack the linguistic means of defending themselves, or occasionally miss the humor of said native English speakers. It really annoys, since what brings people to this website is the passion for a video-game, not for the English language. Because 75% of the time someone doesn't understand a joke involving sarcasm, he is Romanian. I don't know why Romanians are so offended. You can see this happening. Just accept it and laugh it off instead of pretending it doesn't happen. The joke isn't funny for me anymore.
It's hilarious for me.
Using the word Romanian as a generalization for people who miss sarcasm is discrimination. I don't think it should be used at all because the cons outweigh the pros.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define: discrimination&btnG=Google Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Definitions of discrimination on the Web:
* unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice
Looks like it's not.
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And I only said 'soccer' so the silly Americans understand I'm referring to the real football, not that power rangers stuff called Superbowl
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Lol thats so funny, i know you have some beef with the hungarians, but with us.. i dont know. thats sound strange. we joke mainly with the turkish and the greek, never heard anyone making fun of romanians.
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On March 09 2010 03:26 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 03:22 Durak wrote:On March 09 2010 02:57 Chill wrote:On March 09 2010 02:45 minus_human wrote:On March 09 2010 00:52 Chill wrote:
Romania what are you doing? It's such a self-fulfilling prophecy. EVERY TIME. How can it be a self fulfilling prophecy when a relatively new poster has no idea about the retarded TL meme of making fun of Romanians? Yes he did not found it funny and I for one am fucking sick and tired of all the brainless sheep trying to be funny at my expense, however I don't sweat it since it's a goddamn internet forum. I guess it brings a sense of accomplishment to certain posters who use English as their native language to make fun of people who lack the linguistic means of defending themselves, or occasionally miss the humor of said native English speakers. It really annoys, since what brings people to this website is the passion for a video-game, not for the English language. Because 75% of the time someone doesn't understand a joke involving sarcasm, he is Romanian. I don't know why Romanians are so offended. You can see this happening. Just accept it and laugh it off instead of pretending it doesn't happen. The joke isn't funny for me anymore. It's hilarious for me. Show nested quote +Using the word Romanian as a generalization for people who miss sarcasm is discrimination. I don't think it should be used at all because the cons outweigh the pros.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define: discrimination&btnG=Google Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=Definitions of discrimination on the Web: * unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice Looks like it's not.
Not ALL Romanians fail to detect sarcasm, you know.
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On March 09 2010 03:26 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 03:22 Durak wrote:On March 09 2010 02:57 Chill wrote:On March 09 2010 02:45 minus_human wrote:On March 09 2010 00:52 Chill wrote:
Romania what are you doing? It's such a self-fulfilling prophecy. EVERY TIME. How can it be a self fulfilling prophecy when a relatively new poster has no idea about the retarded TL meme of making fun of Romanians? Yes he did not found it funny and I for one am fucking sick and tired of all the brainless sheep trying to be funny at my expense, however I don't sweat it since it's a goddamn internet forum. I guess it brings a sense of accomplishment to certain posters who use English as their native language to make fun of people who lack the linguistic means of defending themselves, or occasionally miss the humor of said native English speakers. It really annoys, since what brings people to this website is the passion for a video-game, not for the English language. Because 75% of the time someone doesn't understand a joke involving sarcasm, he is Romanian. I don't know why Romanians are so offended. You can see this happening. Just accept it and laugh it off instead of pretending it doesn't happen. The joke isn't funny for me anymore. It's hilarious for me.
Is it okay as long as it's hilarious for you? What if a ton of other Romanians are offended by it? Even if by numbers more people find it funny than those who are offended, is it worth it?
Romanians are mistreated (assuming most Romanians don't like the meme) on the basis of prejudice. How is that not discrimination?
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On March 09 2010 03:36 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 03:26 Chill wrote:On March 09 2010 03:22 Durak wrote:On March 09 2010 02:57 Chill wrote:On March 09 2010 02:45 minus_human wrote:On March 09 2010 00:52 Chill wrote:
Romania what are you doing? It's such a self-fulfilling prophecy. EVERY TIME. How can it be a self fulfilling prophecy when a relatively new poster has no idea about the retarded TL meme of making fun of Romanians? Yes he did not found it funny and I for one am fucking sick and tired of all the brainless sheep trying to be funny at my expense, however I don't sweat it since it's a goddamn internet forum. I guess it brings a sense of accomplishment to certain posters who use English as their native language to make fun of people who lack the linguistic means of defending themselves, or occasionally miss the humor of said native English speakers. It really annoys, since what brings people to this website is the passion for a video-game, not for the English language. Because 75% of the time someone doesn't understand a joke involving sarcasm, he is Romanian. I don't know why Romanians are so offended. You can see this happening. Just accept it and laugh it off instead of pretending it doesn't happen. The joke isn't funny for me anymore. It's hilarious for me. Is it okay as long as it's hilarious for you? What if a ton of other Romanians are offended by it? Even if by numbers more people find it funny than those who are offended, is it worth it? Romanians are mistreated (assuming most Romanians don't like the meme) on the basis of prejudice. How is that not discrimination?
My "it's funny to me" comment holds just as much merit as your "it's not funny to me" comment.
Romanians are teased about missing sarcasm on the basis that the majority miss sarcasm. That isn't discrimination.
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On March 09 2010 03:37 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 03:36 Durak wrote:On March 09 2010 03:26 Chill wrote:On March 09 2010 03:22 Durak wrote:On March 09 2010 02:57 Chill wrote:On March 09 2010 02:45 minus_human wrote:On March 09 2010 00:52 Chill wrote:
Romania what are you doing? It's such a self-fulfilling prophecy. EVERY TIME. How can it be a self fulfilling prophecy when a relatively new poster has no idea about the retarded TL meme of making fun of Romanians? Yes he did not found it funny and I for one am fucking sick and tired of all the brainless sheep trying to be funny at my expense, however I don't sweat it since it's a goddamn internet forum. I guess it brings a sense of accomplishment to certain posters who use English as their native language to make fun of people who lack the linguistic means of defending themselves, or occasionally miss the humor of said native English speakers. It really annoys, since what brings people to this website is the passion for a video-game, not for the English language. Because 75% of the time someone doesn't understand a joke involving sarcasm, he is Romanian. I don't know why Romanians are so offended. You can see this happening. Just accept it and laugh it off instead of pretending it doesn't happen. The joke isn't funny for me anymore. It's hilarious for me. Is it okay as long as it's hilarious for you? What if a ton of other Romanians are offended by it? Even if by numbers more people find it funny than those who are offended, is it worth it? Romanians are mistreated (assuming most Romanians don't like the meme) on the basis of prejudice. How is that not discrimination? My "it's funny to me" comment holds just as much merit as your "it's not funny to me" comment. Romanians are teased about missing sarcasm on the basis that the majority miss sarcasm. That isn't discrimination.
You're discrediting my entire argument by the one opinion that I posted as an example? That was to put my argument in context, not to support it. My argument is supported by the assumption that a majority of Romanians dislike the meme.
You're assuming the majority of people who miss sarcasm are Romanian. This is not a well-founded assumption. There was an example of one thread where multiple people from Romania missed sarcasm. There are many many other thread where other people miss sarcasm. You simply notice the ones from Romania because you're looking for it. This certainly is discrimination.
Edit: Fixed a bad sentence.
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On March 09 2010 00:53 ghermination wrote:
The romanian jokes are funny because they're true, and every time we have one of these threads a romanian steps up and get's laughed at due to their lack of sarcasm detection and weak english, perfectly reinforcing the stereotype.
Also, Tahiti.
The lack of sarcasm detection is because of the semi-bad english though which makes it not as funny. You can see the same thing to some extent in other (east) european countries except for Scandinavia and the reason for that, I think is our huge consumption of american popular culture up here in the north. Most other european countries are more nationalistic and have their own stuff going on, not us. We learn sarcasm and what's funny from american media; comedy, tv-shows, internet etc. However many east european countries don't have the same kind of humor in my experience, they are more blunt and joke at obvious things. I'm generalizing alot now but I've noticed a clear trend. With the internet the lines aren't as clear anymore though
I can just imagine what people here would sound like trying to speak romanian and getting romanian jokes. There's two sides to every story
This constant laughing at romanians would be funny one time when some romanian doesn't "get it" because of his lack of english skills, but this is becoming blatant racism and very rude. How is it funny to joke about an entire nations stupidness when there are people here from that country.
There are so many laughable things about Canada (why do you talk like retards?) and America, we shouldn't even start.
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oh c`mon, why make such a big deal, so what even if we miss sarcasm? no one should get offended by this joke, it`s not racist by any means.
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