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Shorter Days on Earth?!

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madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
March 03 2010 07:52 GMT
#1
Came across this article on Yahoo News... "Chile Earthquake May Have Shortened Days on Earth"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20100302/sc_space/chileearthquakemayhaveshorteneddaysonearth

The massive 8.8 earthquake that struck Chile may have changed the entire Earth's rotation and shortened the length of days on our planet, a NASA scientist said Monday.
The quake, the seventh strongest earthquake in recorded history, hit Chile Saturday and should have shortened the length of an Earth day by 1.26 milliseconds, according to research scientist Richard Gross at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.
"Perhaps more impressive is how much the quake shifted Earth's axis," NASA officials said in a Monday update.
The computer model used by Gross and his colleagues to determine the effects of the Chile earthquake effect also found that it should have moved Earth's figure axis by about 3 inches (8 cm or 27 milliarcseconds).


I found this alarming. Even though I giggled at the movie 2012 and its theories, the amount of natural disasters that have occurred lately, and the ability of natural disasters to have such an impact on our planet as to possibly have shifted the Earth's very axis just shocks me. Thoughts? Reactions?


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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
March 03 2010 07:56 GMT
#2
I already knew this and I don't know what's so surprising about it. 1.26 milliseconds seems like an overestimate though.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
March 03 2010 07:58 GMT
#3
Its amazing how milliseconds should be considered. Its not like this will occur everyday. :/
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
March 03 2010 07:59 GMT
#4
1.26 milliseconds is practically unnoticeable. Yes, it's possible for natural disasters to affect the long term state of the Earth (eg. volcanic ash causing global cooling), but really, it's small fries compared to the immediate effects. It's like worrying about fallout when a nuke goes off over your house.
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
March 03 2010 08:07 GMT
#5
Yeah, it's pretty much only significant if you're a scientist who is actually studying the length of Earth days or something.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 03 2010 08:09 GMT
#6
Oh man, compound this over a few more billion years, and we might lose a minute!
(kind of interesting, for that sort of useless information reason)
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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
March 03 2010 08:16 GMT
#7
i hope the world has more disaster and make the days shorter so that it makes me look like my life span is over 9000 y/o

but seriously 1 microsec is nothing lol
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-03 08:30:15
March 03 2010 08:23 GMT
#8
On March 03 2010 16:52 madnessman wrote:
1.26 milliseconds


Yahoo misquoted the scientist. He calculated that the day was shortened by 1.26 microseconds.

And at 1.26 microseconds (1.26 x 10^(-6)) per day, that equals to ~.46 milliseconds per year (4.6 x 10^(-4)). So yeah, insignificant to our lives.
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
March 03 2010 08:26 GMT
#9
I'd like to know what his methodology was to arrive at this number. Also, it micro as mentioned, not milli.
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buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
March 03 2010 08:31 GMT
#10
amazing that the nasa scientist was able to keep a straight face while delivering the news to a few reporters.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
March 03 2010 08:49 GMT
#11
Fuck, Jaedong will make 1 less action per day now.
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VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
March 03 2010 08:50 GMT
#12
On March 03 2010 17:31 buickskylark wrote:
amazing that the nasa scientist was able to keep a straight face while delivering the news to a few reporters.


Why? I think it's interesting. We've had 2 earthquakes in our lifetimes (or at least my lifetime) that have shortened the days of our year by a measurable amount. Since the estimated existence of life up until now, the average day could have shifted by a few hours at this point.
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FastEddieV
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States614 Posts
March 03 2010 08:53 GMT
#13
I'm pretty sure rocket launches also affect the earth's movement through space. Mother Nature isn't the only one throwing Earth off an ideal orbit.
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LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
March 03 2010 09:09 GMT
#14
This wasn't actually measured, just calculated, so I am a little skeptical that their models are that accurate. After all, a microsecond is about one 100 billionth (1/100,000,000,000) of a day.

And here I am modeling engine valves in a lab with 5% accuracy.
esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
March 03 2010 09:37 GMT
#15
2012 lolololol
leejas
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States440 Posts
March 03 2010 09:42 GMT
#16
On March 03 2010 17:49 Fontong wrote:
Fuck, Jaedong will make 1 less action per day now.


lol...that could change everything this year!
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
March 03 2010 10:04 GMT
#17
On March 03 2010 17:49 Fontong wrote:
Fuck, Jaedong will make 1 less action per day now.

Hahahha gold!
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
March 03 2010 10:48 GMT
#18
its kinda normal. I guess all other +9 earthquake did the same O.o
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
March 03 2010 11:13 GMT
#19
I guess this will only affect our great-great-great-great^great grandchildren
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9111 Posts
March 03 2010 11:31 GMT
#20
On March 03 2010 19:04 Exteray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2010 17:49 Fontong wrote:
Fuck, Jaedong will make 1 less action per day now.

Hahahha gold!

ROFL
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gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
March 03 2010 11:34 GMT
#21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postglacial_rebound#Earth.27s_Rotational_Motion
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
March 03 2010 13:01 GMT
#22
huh?
Since when were the days stable? It was always variable in terms of milli/microseconds from day to day. Its not exactly 24 x 60 x 60 every day.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
March 03 2010 14:44 GMT
#23
Oh noooo.
enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
March 03 2010 17:25 GMT
#24
i think a lot of people are underestimating the implications of this. it isnt about 1.26 microseconds at all, because it means that the earth's rotation axis isnt as stable as we like to think.
things you should be aware of here are the following:

a handful of degrees increase in average global temperature can make huge changes to climate. climate (local temperature) is related to how long different localities are exposed to sunlight (and also the angle at which it hits the earth).

if one earthquake already shitfs the axis by 8cm just think about how many factors of similar or greater magnitude can and do occur and will shift this axis as well, and what this will say about the length of day/night and temperature shifts that come with it.
a lot of people say that 1.26 microseconds is no big deal and speak of the proverbial sack of rice in china, but polar icecaps are melting (they are a pretty considerable mass), tectonic plates are moving all the time, earthquakes cannot be averted, supervolcanos exist and asteroids/comets do as well.
there are a lot of things that could cause severe problems by shifting the earth rotational axis seeing how easily it can be shifted. and id really like to see the people shouting "who cares" now when their ecosystem collapses. maybe they dont care because a human only lives to 70 (if he makes it that far that is). but that doesnt make the effects of such things any less grave or harmful.
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enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-03 17:30:20
March 03 2010 17:28 GMT
#25
On March 03 2010 22:01 samachking wrote:
huh?
Since when were the days stable? It was always variable in terms of milli/microseconds from day to day. Its not exactly 24 x 60 x 60 every day.

there is the difference though between changing rotational speed alone (and this does happen a lot, but the changes are miniscule) and a shift of the axis of rotation itself as result of an event with impact on the geological scale.


also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fyl5z
"I fart a lot, often on my gf in bed, then we roll around laughing for 5 mins choking in gas." — exog // "…be'master, the art of reflection. If you are not a thinking man, to what purpose are you a man at all?" — S. T. Coleridge
WheelOfTime
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada331 Posts
March 03 2010 17:32 GMT
#26
What? That's HUGE. That's like, 1/8 of a full second. I'm not even being sarcastic, this IS alarming.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
March 03 2010 18:02 GMT
#27
On March 04 2010 02:32 WheelOfTime wrote:
What? That's HUGE. That's like, 1/8 of a full second. I'm not even being sarcastic, this IS alarming.

lol no alarm is needed for that dude
n_n
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 03 2010 18:25 GMT
#28
I'd say the earth moving 3 inches from it's normal rotation is a bit concerning. Mostly because I have no idea how delicate our orbit is though.

Oh well. As long as all of earth's history is erased before I've done anything great, I won't have much to regret. I'll only be pissed if it's after.
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
March 03 2010 18:53 GMT
#29
On March 04 2010 02:28 enzym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2010 22:01 samachking wrote:
huh?
Since when were the days stable? It was always variable in terms of milli/microseconds from day to day. Its not exactly 24 x 60 x 60 every day.

there is the difference though between changing rotational speed alone (and this does happen a lot, but the changes are miniscule) and a shift of the axis of rotation itself as result of an event with impact on the geological scale.


also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fyl5z


Yeah thats the documentary where I got it from. Pretty decent documentary.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 03 2010 20:31 GMT
#30
wait so the earthquake sped up the rotation of the earth? That doesn't really make sense to me, because whenever I've had something spinning fluidly it always spins faster than something that is shaken. (obviously this is not a very good example, but i'm not a scientist)
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-03 20:36:34
March 03 2010 20:33 GMT
#31
nvm, stupid yahoo
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
March 03 2010 21:26 GMT
#32
how would our lives be when our days are brought down to a minute.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
March 03 2010 21:29 GMT
#33
On March 03 2010 17:49 Fontong wrote:
Fuck, Jaedong will make 1 less action per day now.

haha so good
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Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
March 03 2010 21:55 GMT
#34
On March 03 2010 16:52 madnessman wrote:
I found this alarming. Even though I giggled at the movie 2012 and its theories, the amount of natural disasters that have occurred lately, and the ability of natural disasters to have such an impact on our planet as to possibly have shifted the Earth's very axis just shocks me. Thoughts? Reactions?


I doubt it's that natural disasters are occurring more frequently, it's just that with internet and all you actually hear about shit. A hundred years ago you wouldn't even be aware it happened.
It felt like gravity.
buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
March 04 2010 00:24 GMT
#35
On March 04 2010 06:55 Straylight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2010 16:52 madnessman wrote:
I found this alarming. Even though I giggled at the movie 2012 and its theories, the amount of natural disasters that have occurred lately, and the ability of natural disasters to have such an impact on our planet as to possibly have shifted the Earth's very axis just shocks me. Thoughts? Reactions?


I doubt it's that natural disasters are occurring more frequently, it's just that with internet and all you actually hear about shit. A hundred years ago you wouldn't even be aware it happened.


Maybe you couldn't tell from a hundred years ago, but maybe 50 years ago? Or even 20 years ago. It does seem like a lot of big disasters are happening close in time to each other for the last several years. I don't remember there being this many in the 1990s.
Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
March 04 2010 00:27 GMT
#36
Its not enough to be significant, at all. Also it can work the other way so the earths rotation is SLOWED a little bit.
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Huanir
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States85 Posts
March 04 2010 04:36 GMT
#37
On March 04 2010 02:32 WheelOfTime wrote:
What? That's HUGE. That's like, 1/8 of a full second. I'm not even being sarcastic, this IS alarming.


Microseconds. 1.26 µs = 1.26 * 10^(-6) s, so rather than lose a second every 8 days, we lose a second about every 2200 years. Since there are already leap seconds that indicate our solar day is increasing in average length much faster than earthquakes (such this one and the Indonesian tsunami) are shortening it, I don't think we have to worry about noticing changes in the lengths of our days. As has been said, the bigger problem is the axis-shift.
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