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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 16 2010 20:31 GMT
#1
I haven't written an ICCUP thoughts blog in awhile so I figured now would be a good time since I have an hour to kill before I go to work. I still fucking hate Python. I lost lost 3 in a row on Python against people I would normally be able to beat. I just have some weird mental block on that map where I play really terribly regardless of the opponent or the matchup.

Anyways...

PVZ
PvZ I feel really good about right now (outside of my last 2 pvz losses on python), I've been running about 75% winrate against C/C+ korean zergs... even beat a B- zerg twice last night. After a long period in which for 3 weeks I ONLY played PvZ, I feel like I finally have a really strong conceptual understanding of the matchup similar to how I feel with PvT.

Everything flows really nicely and I almost never lose games against zergs aside from the occasional mass ling or hydra break (happens if I get too careless and greedy). I've figured out I guess how to dictate the flow of the game like I do in PvT, especially since zerg strategies have become increasingly more predictable (thanks Jaedong?).

PvZ Weaknesses:
- losing templars to mutas (really good muta harass is annoying)
- playing against good turtle zergs (need to learn how to turtle my bases better and have more patience)
- not losing my corsairs (I usually get too greedy when trying to kill ol's and lose my sairs after I kill 2)
- develop some more varied and aggressive builds (I feel really really good about standard play and I have a build that works a large majority of the time but I now need to develop more variety)

PVT
I guess nothing has changed in PvT since before - I still feel like it's my best matchup, I was able to beat a B ranked korean last night made me feel pretty good (dt drop ftw). I've lost a bit more PvT's than usual but that's because I'm at the stage right now where I'm trying to experiment with various different builds and openings. I have my standard build that works REALLY well all the time, but I'm trying to develop more abusive strategies (aka trying to make dt's more).

Not much else to say about PvT...

Weaknesses:
- still need solid builds aside from my normal one
- need to learn how to incorporate reavers better (every time i go reaver it seems way too predictable and easily stopped and I almost never do damage with them)
- work on my army positioning in big battles
- still have trouble dealing with harass-heavy Terrans

PVP
The bane of my existence (40% winrate)... since I have very few strengths or positive things to say about PvP I'll jump right into weaknesses

- I need to learn how to go for wins better. A lot of times when I lose PvP games I go watch the replay later to see there are points in almost all the games where I can easily win but my super-safe nature makes me sit back and lose my advantages... so I need to work on scouting and "seizing the moment" more effectively.

- Micro... my micro is bad.

- Learn how to balance probe count timing and tech timing to optimize army count at all times

- Make sure I don't lose otherwise won games because I didn't scout secret expansions.

I feel like my general PvP build is really strong. I was playing a (last season B+) korean protoss and our builds and everything were pretty identical for the large majority of the game. He ended up winning because he contained me nicely on FS and ended up storming all my army and severely weakening it before he attacked so my entire army just melted instantly when he pushed in.

So while I feel like my build order is really strong, I need to develop a better game sense / understanding of PvP. I have been playing it a lot, but I actually think I should start watching some vods or replays (although I prefer just learning on my own)...

Overall, hovering around C+... hope to get solidly in C+ by the end of the week and the finally push for B-. I feel like right now I have 2/3 of the pieces. I can beat B- Terrans and B- Zergs fairly consistently, but I'm just struggling so much against Protoss, and I still have the occasional brain-fart loss that really is keeping me from being able to reach B- when I otherwise should be able to.

Well... that's my ICCUP update!

*****
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Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
February 16 2010 20:43 GMT
#2
More proof that Protoss is imba. Let's play some PvZs.
And I need to talk to you about CSL.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
February 16 2010 21:04 GMT
#3
Ok thanks
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
February 16 2010 21:17 GMT
#4
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 22:45:12
February 16 2010 21:29 GMT
#5
I really dislike all the Pvs matchups on python too, that map just feels really off.

Also learnt to avoid anyone from that peruvian scv team. Every single member I've played has either lagged or disconnected after losing.

If you want to learn some solid PvP, play 1 gate robo. Then either crawl reavers to your expo or add a gate (or two) and go for a shuttle+2reaver attack. Obs timing depends on what you scout.

Non-ramp maps like longinus are a bit weird though, there is a lot of 2 or more gate zeal, 4 gate goon, dt rush. PvP there much more of a toss-up (lolcrappun).
No I'm never serious.
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
February 16 2010 21:48 GMT
#6
Yeah playing vs Protoss is pain in the butt.
Glad to see your improving your PvZ tho! Very hard, hard MU to master, very!
Forever Vulture.. :(
F.A.O.D.
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
100 Posts
February 16 2010 23:00 GMT
#7
so like why are you playing on python o_O?
ㅅ_ㅅ;;
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
February 16 2010 23:16 GMT
#8
On February 17 2010 06:17 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Go get them tiger


up and at them.
-no, no. 'up and at 'em'
up and at them.
-'up and at 'em'
up and at them.
-better.
:O
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
February 16 2010 23:22 GMT
#9
man watch nony's stream and you can learn to be bonjwa like him
Nony is Bonjwa
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1756 Posts
February 17 2010 00:27 GMT
#10
xeris is a bm user
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
February 17 2010 01:19 GMT
#11
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Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
February 17 2010 01:26 GMT
#12
lol
Blah
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 17 2010 01:27 GMT
#13
you and i have the same strengths and weakness.
my PvT being my best (2base arbiter/3base arbiter ftw)
my PvZ being the most comfortable
my PvP sucks balls.
I cant do shit in PvT except 12nex and 10/15. i need to learn standard
i need to use reavers
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 17 2010 02:51 GMT
#14
i dont dodge matchups or maps ... if I did I'm pretty sure I could get up to B rank (lol I'd just PvT on desti all day) =O

i play and lose on python like a man! lol ....

saracen just msg me! we'll play 3857390 games
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Nadagast
Profile Joined January 2009
United States245 Posts
February 17 2010 02:58 GMT
#15
DTs: Successfully letting you beat better opponents since '98
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