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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7296 Posts
February 14 2010 13:52 GMT
#21
csl is nice

fuck ohio state

I do agree about showing up on time, infact its a problem in ALL CW's -_- 30 minute late rule is dumb, how about you show up on time early so the draw can be submitted by the specified time.
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FishNChips
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom107 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-14 14:30:43
February 14 2010 14:29 GMT
#22
On February 14 2010 21:35 PH wrote:
FishNChips...you're British. Shut the fuck up.

CSL pisses me off too for the same reasons it pisses off the OP.

Even though it all works out in the end, it's just a pain in the ass managing players on my own team who are more or less motivated. I have some that are very motivated, then I have players like fucking Dino (whom I would bet my life on beating all but only a few players in the CSL) where I literally have to go to his place, knock on his door, and kick him awake to make to matches. Then I have disgruntled newer players who get mad about not being put into lineups when they're below D- and just quit keeping contact altogether because of that. Then I have middle of the road people who want games...then I have to weigh whether really trying to go for winning the division and making it to playoffs, or trying to spread playtime to as may different players as possible. But then I get people who REALLY want to win on my ass, and people who don't really give a shit just...not giving a shit.

THEN there are the actual matches. Most go well. The other teams are chill, the other players are chill and fun to talk to, the other coordinators are chill and easy to work with. But then there are teams who have absolute dick motherfucking douche bags for coordinators. I seriously wanted to go visit that jackass with duct tape and a baseball bat (I'm not gonna name names). Then there's players not showing up...too many players showing up and lagging games as obs and refusing to leave...blah blah blah fucking blah.

Then we have the fucking reporting system...this season apparently they're going to hand out set forfeits to teams who don't hand in replays. I honestly tried to get replays last season and it just does not fucking work. That fucking kills me. UCR isn't going to be a contender for the playoffs this season, and it won't be because of our players.

I'm drunk.

That is epic post ^^
Beer pong is good CSL incentive IMO.. best incentive is Swig N Pass though.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
February 14 2010 14:37 GMT
#23
You trying to kill me?
Hello
Freaky[x]
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada995 Posts
February 14 2010 15:17 GMT
#24
hey, I used to be mcgill coordinator ... what did I do wrong , I feel sorry now for w/e I did just chill man.

Last semester, I had to always run after my players and have to make harsh decision like not letting bad players play every week, but whenever I thought we would win rather easily, I'd put myself and this other guy in the cw that were guaranteed to win and I'd just add put 2 okay (D / D-/ D+) players. Worse comes to worse we'd win in the ace, but usually one of the okay players would pull through if not both of them.

So ya... why you hating on mcgill ?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
February 14 2010 15:58 GMT
#25
it was nobodies fault that people couldnt host.

-__-

gl rest of season
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
February 14 2010 16:03 GMT
#26
On February 14 2010 21:35 PH wrote:
FishNChips...you're British. Shut the fuck up.

CSL pisses me off too for the same reasons it pisses off the OP.

Even though it all works out in the end, it's just a pain in the ass managing players on my own team who are more or less motivated. I have some that are very motivated, then I have players like fucking Dino (whom I would bet my life on beating all but only a few players in the CSL) where I literally have to go to his place, knock on his door, and kick him awake to make to matches. Then I have disgruntled newer players who get mad about not being put into lineups when they're below D- and just quit keeping contact altogether because of that. Then I have middle of the road people who want games...then I have to weigh whether really trying to go for winning the division and making it to playoffs, or trying to spread playtime to as may different players as possible. But then I get people who REALLY want to win on my ass, and people who don't really give a shit just...not giving a shit.

THEN there are the actual matches. Most go well. The other teams are chill, the other players are chill and fun to talk to, the other coordinators are chill and easy to work with. But then there are teams who have absolute dick motherfucking douche bags for coordinators. I seriously wanted to go visit that jackass with duct tape and a baseball bat (I'm not gonna name names). Then there's players not showing up...too many players showing up and lagging games as obs and refusing to leave...blah blah blah fucking blah.

Then we have the fucking reporting system...this season apparently they're going to hand out set forfeits to teams who don't hand in replays. I honestly tried to get replays last season and it just does not fucking work. That fucking kills me. UCR isn't going to be a contender for the playoffs this season, and it won't be because of our players.

I'm drunk.

this is a dilemma that every coordinator goes through, and you should understand that it can be a thankless, stressful job trying to impose some order onto the lives of irresponsible immature college students, so we've experienced your problems and are quite aware of how much it can suck

but here's the thing - it IS your players that'll prevent you from being a contender, because it's clear that they don't care enough about getting into playoffs to submit replays, or to show up to practice. I'd understand if it was a lower rung team (like my alma mater, who has never won) that players treat it less seriously, but if your team has the talent to win then do what it takes so you won't have retarded losses due to not submitting paperwork. if you have B-team players that want to play, schedule them far in advance and make them practice their asses off for that one match so they can get a regular lineup spot if they prove themselves. if you have people that are driven, then have them do other work for the team on top of their own practice matches.

the other thing is - why bring your complaints up about other teams here in public, after they've happened? when you can talk to the CSL admins in private and let them know about the situation so we can do something in the moment? last season we gave out warnings for manner for schools that were jerks, with threat of set losses/season ban if they didn't shape up.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
February 14 2010 16:30 GMT
#27
I just had my very first CSL match last night and I thought it was really good. It's only their third season, I believe there's a lot more teams this season than last, so I expected they would have some trouble running things, but I didn't encounter any problems. There were some moments where noone would host, but we got that sorted out in pretty short order, and we also had an admin pop into our channel every 20 seconds asking if things were going OK. Overall I didn't have problems. There was maybe a 15 minute waiting time waiting for someone to host a game, but it's not exactly the CSL admins' fault that the ~2 people that could host went afk for just a little moment

PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault?
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 14 2010 16:43 GMT
#28
On February 14 2010 18:19 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 18:13 YoonHo wrote:
CSL is awesome l10f is doing a great job as an admin (I don't if there are others). Our team hasn't had a problem went it came to needing admins, we pretty much solved it ourselves and pm'd l10f. Only problem for me is that my pupils never show up for the clan wars as of recently .

CSL != CPL


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monkxly
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada241 Posts
February 14 2010 17:32 GMT
#29
k here's what i do

1) Contact the other school admin beforehand to agree on a channel:
e.g. waterloo vs ryerson = channel WvsR

2) Get everyone to show 15 min before match

3) Get a non-shitty internet connection

4) ???

5) Profit
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
February 14 2010 17:44 GMT
#30
PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault?

I was disappointed I scouted the wrong direction and my opponent BO fuxed me. I kinda blame CSL.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 14 2010 18:15 GMT
#31
We have more than enough admins, yesterday there were 4 admins sitting in the channel (I was there for multiple hours). =P

It's not like the admins can host games either, being an admin doesn't give you some magic game-hosting ability.

Also, if you really need to take a free win, an admin doesn't actually need to be there. All you need is proof that you are warranted to take a win. I.E, screenshots showing how much time has passed and that your opponent didn't show up.

Just email that to your division admin and - problem solved.
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DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
February 14 2010 19:20 GMT
#32
wtf, CSL is so well run! UWO didnt have any problems with timings and whatnot, most teams are GM and we had some awesome games!
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
February 14 2010 19:45 GMT
#33
CSL is amazing.
much <3 to the admins for their hard work.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
February 14 2010 19:56 GMT
#34
csl is great, one of my favorite things about being in school lol

What i did with organizing who plays or not was 1st season we didnt care about if we advanced to the playoffs or not (since our team wasnt too great any way) and we just tried to let everyone play an equal amount of games. last season we decided that since we had a pretty good team to let our top 2-3 players play every match and then have a small tournament for who else gets to play (most fair way to do it really). This season is pretty similar to last season.
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Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
February 14 2010 20:26 GMT
#35
There's a joke here somewhere: people on TL.net complain too much.
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DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
February 14 2010 20:47 GMT
#36
On February 14 2010 22:52 Sadist wrote:
csl is nice

fuck ohio state

I do agree about showing up on time, infact its a problem in ALL CW's -_- 30 minute late rule is dumb, how about you show up on time early so the draw can be submitted by the specified time.


The rule is because, what if your school has some last minute problems that take a little bit of time to resolve?

30 minutes isn't that long - most matches are 1-1.5 hrs, unless you do simultaneous matches. Add the lag time between matches that often occurs (just 'cause it does) and it can go up to 2, or even 3 hours. If you wait the 30minutes, you get the free win. If they show up at 29:59, then that's pretty rare, and also, it's only 30 minutes, which is 1-2 games.

If you want them to show up "early", just set the time to meet an hour back or something? o.O.

On February 15 2010 00:17 Freaky[x] wrote:
hey, I used to be mcgill coordinator ... what did I do wrong , I feel sorry now for w/e I did just chill man.

Last semester, I had to always run after my players and have to make harsh decision like not letting bad players play every week, but whenever I thought we would win rather easily, I'd put myself and this other guy in the cw that were guaranteed to win and I'd just add put 2 okay (D / D-/ D+) players. Worse comes to worse we'd win in the ace, but usually one of the okay players would pull through if not both of them.

So ya... why you hating on mcgill ?


I'm confused. I thought you were one of the D- players? lololol xD

On February 15 2010 02:44 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault?

I was disappointed I scouted the wrong direction and my opponent BO fuxed me. I kinda blame CSL.


I had a bye this week. I wanted to play -___-. CSL so dumb.

[PH]

On another note... I don't think being a coordinator is all that stressful. Just pick your best players and go, tell the bad ones to shut up and get better o.O. Bad players (in terms of people who are bad at showing up), don't play them - if you play them, then you know you'll have to make that extra effort to go wake them up.. It's up to you then, to play them or not.

Other coordinators are not the responsibility of CSL.. we do our best to keep everyone GM (which everyone usually is), but we don't have magical super powers to make them not lag, or make them not jerks. I have no apology for you there, hope you're joking =p.

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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
February 14 2010 21:16 GMT
#37
small schools have the worst of it - their players are usually bad, and if they aren't too motivated once they get raped a few times they stop playing, but you're forced to rely on them because you have no one else =/
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
February 14 2010 23:13 GMT
#38
On February 14 2010 19:00 Piko wrote:
Okay it's not like our fault you're so incompetent. We have to take care of like 8 schools. I mean, while we do our best to try and help you, we can't babysit you, you know?
And CSL is supposed to be fun. You're like taking this too seriously okay.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-15 12:20:19
February 15 2010 12:17 GMT
#39
On February 15 2010 01:30 Purind wrote:
PH - you talk about how CSL pisses you off because managing the people on your team is a pain in the ass. How is that CSL's fault?

I was ranting about the CSL as a league...which doesnt necessarily have to do with how it's run...any problems I have with the people running it was all pretty much covered by the OP.

The CSL isn't just the people who run it...

On February 15 2010 05:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
[PH]

On another note... I don't think being a coordinator is all that stressful. Just pick your best players and go, tell the bad ones to shut up and get better o.O. Bad players (in terms of people who are bad at showing up), don't play them - if you play them, then you know you'll have to make that extra effort to go wake them up.. It's up to you then, to play them or not.

Other coordinators are not the responsibility of CSL.. we do our best to keep everyone GM (which everyone usually is), but we don't have magical super powers to make them not lag, or make them not jerks. I have no apology for you there, hope you're joking =p.


I try to keep it fun, and telling bad players they can't play makes them lose interest and eventually lose contact period. At one point, we had more than twelve people all active, playing, keeping our school's iccup channel alive and all that. Then week by week as only the good players C- and above get spots, it just stops being interesting for them.

BTW...Dino is our team's best player. He's a very good player, which is why I would make the effort to actually go and kick his ass awake.

I dunno if you're an admin or not, but why the hell would you think it's your fault that other coordinators are douchey? And most of them are perfectly manner and chill. I just had a couple stupid experiences, was drunk, and decided to rant along with the OP. The CSL as the league xeris and hazelynut put together is perfectly fine, really...nothing I can really complain about.

You don't have to apologize, it's not your fault that there are stupid people out there.
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duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
February 15 2010 16:08 GMT
#40
On February 15 2010 21:17 PH wrote:
I dunno if you're an admin or not, but why the hell would you think it's your fault that other coordinators are douchey? And most of them are perfectly manner and chill. I just had a couple stupid experiences, was drunk, and decided to rant along with the OP. The CSL as the league xeris and hazelynut put together is perfectly fine, really...nothing I can really complain about.

You don't have to apologize, it's not your fault that there are stupid people out there.

aww this is sad. darththienan is a huge part of the admin process and definitely up there with xeris, hazelynut, and d3. =(
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