EPTOn January 14 2010 21:46 alffla wrote:
that was sweet lol
7mk haha what?
that was sweet lol
7mk haha what?
Yeah it was great and 7mk is just trying to throw in his 2 cents to start an argument.
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
Yeah it was great and 7mk is just trying to throw in his 2 cents to start an argument. | ||
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7mk
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Zilver
Finland282 Posts
On January 15 2010 03:36 7mk wrote: lol tell me what exactly I didn't comprehend, tell me more about how great scientology is, or whatever the hell you meant by that When the fuck did anyone say anything about scientology, except you? | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
I can't even count how many celebrities think/act like they're enlightened, are "in tune with the universe". This is nothing new. Kind of reminds me of Tom Cruise actually. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 15 2010 05:09 Zilver wrote: When the fuck did anyone say anything about scientology, except you? It's not my fault he was being so vague about what exactly it was that I didn't comprehend But please, since you seem to know what he was talking about, just tell me. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On January 15 2010 03:14 chaoser wrote: you know, i use to rag on Scientology all the time but after reading what some people wrote in this thread I've started to wonder, what IS the difference between it and "established" religions besides the fact that the other ones are older. Ok in Scientology one pays money to be saved by an alien. How is that any different from the middle ages when people paid penitence during confessions to rid them of their sins so they can be "saved". What's the difference between believing an alien will save everyone and believing an all powerful being in the sky will do it? There's a lot more to religion than the belief in things you can't prove. The scientology doctrine (the part I know at least) is ridiculous, while certain elements of christianity (think of the Sermon on the Mount for instance) are still revolutionary and wonderfully ahead of our time, several thousand years after they were written. | ||
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MetalMarine
United States1559 Posts
"Cool Video. My friend saw this a couple of months ago and really applied it hardcore since then -- he's accomplished a lot physically and mentally because of it." | ||
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Jonoman92
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I like that. But I didn't necessarily like a lot of what he said on a nit-picky level. Again, it was all good stuff but the message rubs me a bit wrong. I'm sure if I had the opportunity to sit down and chat with Mr. Smith this would all be discussed out and my opinion would be changed.. in fact I am sure it is just the way it is given the video is a snippit of a bunch of conversations. That being said.. Consider first the speaker. Will Smith is married to a gorgeous actress wife. He has a son or two. He lives a privileged life. I think it is easy for a man in his position to say "make choices and the universe will bend around you like water." He is usually in a position to 'make choices.' There are others who couldn't if their life depended on it. And I'm sure he would say, "nah they certainly can!" well no, some people have to choose between feeding themselves and getting the medecine that will slow the growth of their cancer.. that isn't a choice at all. And we can even go another level and say, "they could make the best of it, and be an inspirational example!" yes, but I think that gets away from the message of will smith's video. I know for the most part I am missing the point of the video which is just trying to empower and reach people who are generally cathartic and nihilistic. I guess it just rubs me the wrong way when people see a spectrum and scream that one end is the right one and everything else is wrong.. I feel like the words "everything in moderation" ring pretty true. It is good to make choices, feel empowered and desire to control the universe so to speak.. but it is also ok with feeling like we are small and being humble that way. | ||
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keepITup
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The current won't always flow around you, sometimes it's too strong. but yeah will smith is my favorite actor and the guy is awesome as a person as well | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
On January 15 2010 16:05 keepITup wrote: Yeah, setting unrealistic dreams isn't the best thing to do... The current won't always flow around you, sometimes it's too strong. but yeah will smith is my favorite actor and the guy is awesome as a person as well So what you're suggesting is because there's a chance of failure that you shouldn't even bother trying? :/ | ||
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keepITup
251 Posts
On January 15 2010 16:14 KrAzYfoOL wrote: So what you're suggesting is because there's a chance of failure that you shouldn't even bother trying? :/ whaaa? im just saying you need to know the limits. i cant decide right now that I want to start playing the piano and aspire to be a concert pianist, i have a life to attend to, limited funds, time, etc... | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 15 2010 16:14 KrAzYfoOL wrote: So what you're suggesting is because there's a chance of failure that you shouldn't even bother trying? :/ I read in a neurological magazine that one of the main reasons why people have a very tough time of changing themselves is because they set their goals too high, hence it takes so long before they reach it that they give up before that happens. Smith actually addressed this very nicely though with his "brick by brick"analogy On January 15 2010 15:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I know for the most part I am missing the point of the video which is just trying to empower and reach people who are generally cathartic and nihilistic. I agree with your post but why do people keep using the word "cathartic" in a negative way? To me that word has a very positive connotation, I don't understand what you mean when you use it like that. | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
On January 15 2010 15:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Really nice to see someone who is so enthusiastic about life and speaking about good things like making choices, taking responsibility, caring for others etc etc.. no need for science or religion in that context just being a GOOD person. I like that. But I didn't necessarily like a lot of what he said on a nit-picky level. Again, it was all good stuff but the message rubs me a bit wrong. I'm sure if I had the opportunity to sit down and chat with Mr. Smith this would all be discussed out and my opinion would be changed.. in fact I am sure it is just the way it is given the video is a snippit of a bunch of conversations. That being said.. Consider first the speaker. Will Smith is married to a gorgeous actress wife. He has a son or two. He lives a privileged life. I think it is easy for a man in his position to say "make choices and the universe will bend around you like water." He is usually in a position to 'make choices.' There are others who couldn't if their life depended on it. And I'm sure he would say, "nah they certainly can!" well no, some people have to choose between feeding themselves and getting the medecine that will slow the growth of their cancer.. that isn't a choice at all. And we can even go another level and say, "they could make the best of it, and be an inspirational example!" yes, but I think that gets away from the message of will smith's video. I know for the most part I am missing the point of the video which is just trying to empower and reach people who are generally cathartic and nihilistic. I guess it just rubs me the wrong way when people see a spectrum and scream that one end is the right one and everything else is wrong.. I feel like the words "everything in moderation" ring pretty true. It is good to make choices, feel empowered and desire to control the universe so to speak.. but it is also ok with feeling like we are small and being humble that way. Yep and do you think he got to where he is by coasting through life? He made his choices to get where he is now. People make choices to get where they are now. Yes you can take (pretty extreme) examples like medicine for cancer or food, but that's kind of missing the point of his what Smith says. He's talking more about people's tendency to say "I can't" rather than "I can". I see this a LOT in school and at university. So many people telling themselves they can't be smart and will never be smart. When everyone can, if they put in the effort (a lot of effort, but still). | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 15 2010 20:13 nebffa wrote: Yep and do you think he got to where he is by coasting through life? He made his choices to get where he is now. People make choices to get where they are now. Yes you can take (pretty extreme) examples like medicine for cancer or food, but that's kind of missing the point of his what Smith says. He's talking more about people's tendency to say "I can't" rather than "I can". I see this a LOT in school and at university. So many people telling themselves they can't be smart and will never be smart. When everyone can, if they put in the effort (a lot of effort, but still). Dude, he's a hollywood star. To get there, you can't just rely on talent and hard work. One thing that is incredibly, incredibly important if you wanna make it in showbusiness, is pure, simple luck That is in my opinion the only problem with what he's saying. There's a whole lot of people who work really hard and are as/more talented than mr.smith, but that doesn't mean they are ever gonna make it to hollywood. | ||
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Chef
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I don't like the do or die attitude. I think I can be a successful and great person just by working hard and having a good attitude rather than hoping for short term materialization by sacrificing everything all the time. Poker is the easiest example. Following Will's advice literally it's like you're going with your whole bankroll to every table. Those players will always crash and burn eventually, because they aren't giving themselves any leeway. Proper bank roll management is the key to being successful in poker (going to a table with only a fraction of the money you have, so that even if luck doesn't favour you, you know that in the long term it will balance out). I think if you look at what Will actually does, he's seriously exaggerating his attitude toward life. He isn't putting everything on the line every time he has a dream. He's just working hard, staying alive, knowing that eventually his hard work will probably pay off. That's what successful people actually do. | ||
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