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sassme
56 Posts
On January 09 2010 09:51 majesty.k)seRapH wrote: if we're going onto the topic of girls, i'm just going to throw out that chinese girls are either hot or ugly. not much in between. koreans, on the other hand... like this? ![[image loading]](http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44916000/jpg/_44916643_girls.jpg) | ||
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Glaucus
479 Posts
Not to mention the human rights in general. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On January 09 2010 09:36 Thegilaboy wrote: Most important of all, the freedom to hate pie and baseball if you want to! Okay kid, we have to draw the line somewhere. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On January 09 2010 10:16 Glaucus wrote: China is being stupid. Their people are working their asses off and their government is giving it away for free to the US and the top .1% richest Chinese. Embracing capitalism was a good idea but that doesn't mean it has to be a client state to the US. Not to mention the human rights in general. Uh no, they're not stupid. They're keeping prices low so people will buy made in china. They're making lots of money by keeping it that way. How is being a client state bad? You get to have a huge trade surplus. Lastly, who cares about human rights when the standard of living is rising so fast. | ||
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sassme
56 Posts
real soon china is going to whoop some serious ass economically, stop the bs especially if you dont know much about it. Its like tibet outcry all over | ||
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Glaucus
479 Posts
On January 09 2010 10:26 T.O.P. wrote: Uh no, they're not stupid. They're keeping prices low so people will buy made in china. They're making lots of money by keeping it that way. How is being a client state bad? You get to have a huge trade surplus. Lastly, who cares about human rights when the standard of living is rising so fast. How are they making money by keeping prices low? If you get more money for your product that means the price has to be higher. If you keep the price really low you get a really low amount of money. You realize it's the same thing? What use is having a huge 'trade surplus' if that means you export almost everything when you get nothing in return? The point of exporting is so you can import stuff yourself too. Chinese people work hard and then all the stuff they produce goes to the US and Europe. US pays money but US has huge depth and is never going to replay those depths. So what use is the dollar? When are the Chinese people going to get some stuff the Americans produced for them? How does China need other countries to consume their wealth for them to be rich? Doesn't that make China poorer? Imagine if China could keep all the capital they produce. brainwashed white filth always ragging about the matter lol If I had the same rights as a Chinese I would fight to the death against my government. Life isn't worth anything if you aren't free. The Chinese crying about humans rights are all in prison being tortured or too scared? Wasn't there a rebellion once? | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On January 09 2010 10:47 Glaucus wrote: It's not as simple as you make it to be. Comments below. How are they making money by keeping prices low? If you get more money for your product that means the price has to be higher. If you keep the price really low you get a really low amount of money. You realize it's the same thing? You are only looking at it from the point of supply and demand. There's also employment/unemployment involved. By keeping the prices low, there is a higher demand for goods. A high demand for goods means more jobs for Chinese citizens; lower unemployment rate is usually desirable. Chinese people work hard and then all the stuff they produce goes to the US and Europe. US pays money but US has huge depth and is never going to replay those depths. So what use is the dollar? Yes, it's true that US has huge debts and gives China a lot of 'IOU's and China has no use for those IOUs. However, a high trade surplus is good for a developing country because it increases the country's total output, and also lowers unemployment. When are the Chinese people going to get some stuff the Americans produced for them? They are importing quite a bit from America; for example, Boeings. How does China need other countries to consume their wealth for them to be rich? Doesn't that make China poorer? Imagine if China could keep all the capital they produce. Because China is benefiting from international trades. If China does not export, its goods will be even cheaper, because countries like America are pulling the prices up. There is no such thing as "consume their wealth", with trade, most countries gain. You are suggest autarky, which is one of the main factors that drove America from a recession to the Great Depression. I would suggest you do some reading on free-trade. Maybe starting with the Heckscher-Ohlin model and see how countries mutually benefit. | ||
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asianskill
United States289 Posts
On January 09 2010 10:47 Glaucus wrote: How are they making money by keeping prices low? If you get more money for your product that means the price has to be higher. If you keep the price really low you get a really low amount of money. You realize it's the same thing? What use is having a huge 'trade surplus' if that means you export almost everything when you get nothing in return? The point of exporting is so you can import stuff yourself too. Chinese people work hard and then all the stuff they produce goes to the US and Europe. US pays money but US has huge depth and is never going to replay those depths. So what use is the dollar? When are the Chinese people going to get some stuff the Americans produced for them? How does China need other countries to consume their wealth for them to be rich? Doesn't that make China poorer? Imagine if China could keep all the capital they produce. lol If I had the same rights as a Chinese I would fight to the death against my government. Life isn't worth anything if you aren't free. The Chinese crying about humans rights are all in prison being tortured or too scared? Wasn't there a rebellion once? That was such an ignorant post. They have much to gain from keeping prices low. There's no competition and that's how China is growing financially. Labor is so cheap that they can afford it. Don't criticize their business plan, it's one of the things that are doing right. And when are Chinese going to get American-produced items? Do you understand how the foreign market works? What makes an american product better? Why would anyone want an american product? American products are overpriced when compared to Chinese products. If you want a more reliable product, they are available to you in China. You just have to pay more. You would rebel? That's because you're an American and you've had your rights for your entire life. China is a completely different entity. Different culture, different traditions, different lifestyles. Think about a democratic process in China. How much would it fail? With 1.3 billion people, mobocracy is a legitimate threat. Different circumstances call for different solutions. | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
On January 09 2010 10:47 Glaucus wrote: How are they making money by keeping prices low? If you get more money for your product that means the price has to be higher. If you keep the price really low you get a really low amount of money. You realize it's the same thing? What use is having a huge 'trade surplus' if that means you export almost everything when you get nothing in return? The point of exporting is so you can import stuff yourself too. Chinese people work hard and then all the stuff they produce goes to the US and Europe. US pays money but US has huge depth and is never going to replay those depths. So what use is the dollar? When are the Chinese people going to get some stuff the Americans produced for them? How does China need other countries to consume their wealth for them to be rich? Doesn't that make China poorer? Imagine if China could keep all the capital they produce. lol If I had the same rights as a Chinese I would fight to the death against my government. Life isn't worth anything if you aren't free. The Chinese crying about humans rights are all in prison being tortured or too scared? Wasn't there a rebellion once? Hahaha you are so | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On January 09 2010 10:47 Glaucus wrote: How are they making money by keeping prices low? If you get more money for your product that means the price has to be higher. If you keep the price really low you get a really low amount of money. You realize it's the same thing? What use is having a huge 'trade surplus' if that means you export almost everything when you get nothing in return? The point of exporting is so you can import stuff yourself too. Chinese people work hard and then all the stuff they produce goes to the US and Europe. US pays money but US has huge depth and is never going to replay those depths. So what use is the dollar? When are the Chinese people going to get some stuff the Americans produced for them? How does China need other countries to consume their wealth for them to be rich? Doesn't that make China poorer? Imagine if China could keep all the capital they produce. If China raises prices by making the Yuan worth more, then it's stuff won't be as cheap and people won't buy as much Chinese products. Factory owners are already moving their clothing factories to countries like Vietnam because salaries in China are too high. The Chinese do import, they import Western technology and investment. Because the Chinese earns a lot of money through exports, it could reinvest that money into the country and raise the standard of living for it's people. It seems like you don't understand economics at all. And unlike Westerners, most Chinese don't give a fuck about human rights. Human rights is just something that Westerners made up. Most Chinese agree with the decision to kill the British man who brought heroin to China. As I said before, who cares about Human Rights when economic issues affect your daily life much more closely. | ||
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sassme
56 Posts
On January 09 2010 10:47 Glaucus wrote: lol If I had the same rights as a Chinese I would fight to the death against my government. Life isn't worth anything if you aren't free. no you would still be sucking on your moms tit while pointing fingers your life isnt worth anything regardless of your personal freedom, get over yourself. You have no idea what it takes for a monster like china to even exist. Internet william wallace lmao. funny thing you probably have same rights as chinese do, your small head isnt quite fit to accept it | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:07 T.O.P. wrote: If China raises prices by making the Yuan worth more, then it's stuff won't be as cheap and people won't buy as much Chinese products. Factory owners are already moving their clothing factories to countries like Vietnam because salaries in China are too high. The Chinese do import, they import Western technology and investment. Because the Chinese earns a lot of money through exports, it could reinvest that money into the country and raise the standard of living for it's people. It seems like you don't understand economics at all. And unlike Westerners, most Chinese don't give a fuck about human rights. Human rights is just something that Westerners made up. Most Chinese agree with the decision to kill the British man who brought heroin to China. As I said before, who cares about Human Rights when economic issues affect your daily life much more closely. In fact, China is trying to keep its Yuan below market value  edit: 1 ignorant post, 100 people jump on it <3 TL | ||
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Glaucus
479 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:02 Cambium wrote: There is no such thing as "consume their wealth", with trade, most countries gain. Yes there is because there is no real trading.. Chinese people produce capital. Then this wealth is exported to the US for dollars. Then those dollars are given back as loans to the US. Loans the US can't afford. You export so you can import. If you only export you aren't trading. If the west stopped importing all these products the Chinese produce then the prices will drop, yes. But it will also allow the Chinese to enjoy the fruits of their labor themselves. Ok. Let's make half of China unemployed and let's not export stuff. Now what? Now Chinese work less hard and have more wealth to consume as wealth isn't exported. How is this bad? | ||
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sassme
56 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:02 asianskill wrote: You would rebel? That's because you're an American and you've had your rights for your entire life. China is a completely different entity. Different culture, different traditions, different lifestyles. Think about a democratic process in China. How much would it fail? With 1.3 billion people, mobocracy is a legitimate threat. Different circumstances call for different solutions. this brotha speaks the truth this is a very good part, pay attention glaucus edit: actually nevermind, i just read your last post and it was atrocious. Brb regaining hope in humanity | ||
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Glaucus
479 Posts
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sassme
56 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:13 Glaucus wrote: Humans rights are universal. It's silly to say Chinese culture or problems of keeping China together override that. If China can only be kept together by violating human rights then China should dissolve. ya fucken dumb or someshit? universal what? cannibals? religions? bushmen? WHATS WRONG WITH YOU LOL | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:10 Glaucus wrote: If the west stopped importing all these products the Chinese produce then the prices will drop, yes. But it will also allow the Chinese to enjoy the fruits of their labor themselves. Ok. Let's make half of China unemployed and let's not export stuff. Now what? Now Chinese work less hard and have more wealth to consume as wealth isn't exported. How is this bad? First. No the Chinese would not be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor. In fact, they would all be unemployed cause there are no western customers. If they are all unemployed, the Chinese people will rebel against the Communist government and remove them from power like during the dynasty era where people used the Mandate of Heaven to remove emperors from power. If the Communist Government falls, China will be a big mess. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:10 Glaucus wrote: Ok. Let's make half of China unemployed and let's not export stuff. Now what? Now Chinese work less hard and have more wealth to consume as wealth isn't exported. How is this bad? If an unemployment of 10% in the U.S. is causing you (or maybe not you because you don't seem to understand the implications) shit your pants, what makes you think the Chinese government will abet an unemployment of 50% (1 in every 2 citizens is unemployed) just to keep the country's "wealth"...? Just wtf? I decided not to respond to you any more... | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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