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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9554 Posts
January 02 2010 22:09 GMT
#21
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Legendary commentary, your Dad will like it for sure^^
At least, he'll relate...
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13085 Posts
January 02 2010 22:10 GMT
#22
Show some good TvT (long macro games with tank lines pushing slowly) thats the closest you can get to compare SC to chess.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
January 02 2010 22:11 GMT
#23
I'm sure your dad won't care if it's boxer, flash, or whoever. He probably just doesn't like you playing video games. Nothing out of the ordinary.
7Strife
Profile Joined December 2009
United States104 Posts
January 02 2010 22:12 GMT
#24
Your father's blind arrogance will prevent him from being able to approach this topic open-minded. I'm sure it has good intentions but I would guess he refuses to even play the game to learn enough about it to discover where the strategic element exist. I don't think you will be able to change his mind because he is unwilling - so just try not to adopt his arrogance to prevent this with your own children someday.
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
January 02 2010 22:14 GMT
#25
Tell him the basics and have him try to beat a computer in 1v1. loool. See how he does then tell him to stfu
Nak Allstar.
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 02 2010 22:15 GMT
#26
a TvT replay where you can pause and go over the strategy/positioning in depth is probably your best bet
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DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
January 02 2010 22:16 GMT
#27
If you really want to demonstrate that Starcraft is not about clicking, then you need to show this guy July vs. Best in the EVER OSL.

Game 1


Game 2


Game 3



Game 1 demonstrates the importance of scouting - something that chess does not have. Chess is a game of perfect information, Starcraft is a game of limited information. July uses Best's limited information to surprise him with a 5-pool. This game has nothing to do with clicking. You can also talk about the psychological disadvantage this puts Best in - his opponent just did something ridiculous in the most prestigious tournament in Starcraft and won.

Game 2 demonstrates the importance of seizing an opportunity - something that chess does not have. Since chess is not played in real-time (that is, since you cannot macro or micro in chess to improve your game), players act based on knowledge of all current and future possibilities. However, Starcraft is too 'big' a game to even look a few steps ahead. When July sees the small unit count in Best's base and realizes his overlord is going to die, he makes another incredible gamble (he could potentially have lost the game immediately) and does that awesome Bisu-face drone drill. In effect, he is changing the rules of the game. Best had access to his base blocked. Nothing could get past. Except July decided to do something unexpected and unprecedented.

Game 3 is so full of strategy and psychology that I'll let you fill in the blanks.

However, your dad is not gonna understand the strategy of the game without understanding at least the basic units and so on. I mean, chess does not have hit points, attack damage, range, height advantage and other mechanical things which are fundamental to Starcraft.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
January 02 2010 22:18 GMT
#28
wow thanks for all of the out pouring of information! I am going to hope that one of these games has what it takes to turn the tide!
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
January 02 2010 22:19 GMT
#29
FBH VS SAVIOR COMMENTATED BY KLAZART!
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
January 02 2010 22:19 GMT
#30
Day9's first cast, Flash vs by.hero. It made me realize how much strategic depth Starcraft has in it.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
January 02 2010 22:21 GMT
#31
On January 03 2010 06:51 decafchicken wrote:
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On January 03 2010 06:48 mikeymoo wrote:
Well chess is kinda stupid because the person who thinks the best wins.


bunch of newbs with no mechanics

You need like what.. 1 APM? Disgusting. Imagine chess being played at 400 APM, except every single piece is a group of 12 units, which you have to control individually. And also when you try to attack a piece, if one person can maneuver the pieces better, then your attempt at a capture is unsuccessful and you may very well lose that piece yourself. Also you have the ability to regenerate your units, but only if your economy permits. And you have to play it on a computer screen.
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
January 02 2010 22:23 GMT
#32
Don't play StarCraft in front of your dad. Seriously, that would avoid a lot of the issues... a lot of the time it's better to just avoid the trouble -people can't always be convinced.
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SkylineSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States564 Posts
January 02 2010 22:38 GMT
#33
lol you can't convince your dad that starcraft is like chess

and if hes an asian parent, its gfg starcraft unless you play behind his back.
7Strife
Profile Joined December 2009
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-02 22:49:30
January 02 2010 22:44 GMT
#34
I think it makes sense that his opinion is so misguided. All he has seen is you clicking. Someone who has seen people externally play chess a couple times would be missing the a lot of the facts about the game too. Until he is forced to play at least 5 quality hours and trying to win he is ignorant of the game and unwilling to judge correctly. I think your dad may still be stuck in God mode where it is a fear to let you see him wrong about anything. Thus, he will prevent you from getting an opportunity to prove him wrong, which is why he would avoid playing the game.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
January 02 2010 22:44 GMT
#35
On January 03 2010 06:48 Harem wrote:
Show him the subtitled Boxer vs Hiya on Blue Storm.


this game is pure genius, seriously try this or as it has been mentioned, stalemate TvTs with tank lines and stuff
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 02 2010 22:54 GMT
#36
On January 03 2010 07:21 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2010 06:51 decafchicken wrote:
On January 03 2010 06:48 mikeymoo wrote:
Well chess is kinda stupid because the person who thinks the best wins.


bunch of newbs with no mechanics

You need like what.. 1 APM? Disgusting. Imagine chess being played at 400 APM, except every single piece is a group of 12 units, which you have to control individually. And also when you try to attack a piece, if one person can maneuver the pieces better, then your attempt at a capture is unsuccessful and you may very well lose that piece yourself. Also you have the ability to regenerate your units, but only if your economy permits. And you have to play it on a computer screen.


lol I would actually say this

I usually show Day9 commentaries to friends who don't know anything about SC when I'm trying to impress them with how much tactical depth it has
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
January 02 2010 22:55 GMT
#37
Your father is right.

I have no deep understanding of chess, but I'm guessing the level strategic thinking in modern StarCraft is nowhere near chess. If Starcraft stayed alive for another 5years, we'd be seeing some pretty sick games.

But I guess your point is to prove that there IS thinking and adapting involved.
Boxer vs Hiya would be a good game to show him.
And pimpest moves like Casy vs July Fake Expo.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 02 2010 23:01 GMT
#38
On January 03 2010 06:48 Harem wrote:
Show him the subtitled Boxer vs Hiya on Blue Storm.


On January 03 2010 06:55 Aim Here wrote:
I suggest popping over to Day9's livestream site, and showing him one of the more analytical VODs with Mr 9's excellent analysis, so that he gets an inkling of the subtleties of what's going through the mind of a good starcraft player in relative slow motion...


Definitely one of these. You need to show him something that explains how incredibly complex and strategically deep the game is. He can't understand that by watching little animations move around on a map with useless korean commentary.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-02 23:10:38
January 02 2010 23:07 GMT
#39
Maybe Casy vs July, the game where he fakes the expansion? I actually haven't seen that many Day9 videos but I'd recommend them anyway, just knowing how damn good he is at explaining things.

Maybe that short Flash vs Mind clip (where Flash defends the vult fake-> drop).
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m4gdelen4
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
January 02 2010 23:08 GMT
#40
show him stuff from the recommended threads or show him liquipedia.
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