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hey TL- I am just writing this blog, so that way the entirety of TL could be my personal army. I have a simple request. My father has for a long time been disgusted with the fact that I play starcraft. Time and Time again i have told him that this game is like chess 2.0 and really has a ton of strategic depth.
So long story short- what would be the best starcraft game to show my long time chess playing father? When he has seen me play, he merely thinks that i am clicking buttons randomly, and that starcraft is stupid becuase the person that clicks the fastest wins.
I have thought of a few, but i was hoping for some of your suggestions.
Flash vs Jaedong on katrina
GGplay vs Flash on Medusa
Any flash vs fantasy finals set
some crazy upmagic game?
Really i am at a loss. any help and suggestions appreciated.
 
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I don't think he'll get anything if you show him a game. You could try showing him how big SC is in Korea for example, or try to argue by showing how big a business gaming is... I dunno.
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Just show him any boxer game......where he wins^^
or any of the pimpest play videos!
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He's not going to understand the depth of the game by watching some random VOD commentated by Koreans with no prior knowledge of the game. Furthermore, he does not appear to want to know anything about the game. I think you're wasting your time.
If you're going to show him a game though, show him a TvT.
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Play a game with him watching and commentate what your thoughts are during the game.
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If he doesn't play or understand the game and thinks it's just randomly clicking, showing him a game isn't really going to help.
Since you brought up chess, a similar analogy would be trying to show a person who doesn't even know the rules how strategically rich it is by watching Kasparov play.
Edit: Similar to what xmShake said
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Canada7170 Posts
Well chess is kinda stupid because the person who thinks the best wins.
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United States11393 Posts
Show him the subtitled Boxer vs Hiya on Blue Storm.
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The problem is, assuming that he is both new to Starcraft and video games in general. That he won't be able to appreciate a good game of starcraft without knowing how the game works. Before you can show him a good game of starcraft, I think an introduction to the games fundamentals would be needed.
In regards to what game you should show him, i think that a smart micro oriented build (cheese if you must) would be ideal, since they often provoke more awe than more drawn out macroish games. Any game where decisionmaking plays a critical role really, that should eliminate the button mashing argument.
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On January 03 2010 06:48 mikeymoo wrote:
Well chess is kinda stupid because the person who thinks the best wins.
bunch of newbs with no mechanics
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Canada7170 Posts
Sprinting is kinda stupid because whoever runs the fastest wins.
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Show him some VODs with good commentary like the TSL VODs or Artosis' or Day[9]'s.. or even Diggity!
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there was this one tvt, boxer vs..somebody. its a newer one, happened last year. dont remember what map either. at a certain point boxer loads everything up in dropships and flies to get a position. when you see it, you think "oh he's gonna take the cliffs." obviously his opponent thinks that too. but instead he just drops 2 tanks, sieges them up, and flies up and around the incoming army. his opponent thinks hes taken the cliff so he loads up into dropships and flies onto the cliff. at the exact moment this happens, boxer rolls into his base and unloads a control group of dropships for gg
definitely show him a tvt
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I suggest popping over to Day9's livestream site, and showing him one of the more analytical VODs with Mr 9's excellent analysis, so that he gets an inkling of the subtleties of what's going through the mind of a good starcraft player in relative slow motion...
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Download the mod where all the units look like chess pieces.
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Definitely show him the translated VOD of boxer vs hiya, from a long time ago. It shows how boxer planned out the whole damn match from the proxy 2rax to the wraiths to the contains. Your dad can also read the commentary, so that's a plus.
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On January 03 2010 06:53 KwarK wrote:
Day9 videos.
This, the one where he plays xellos and he talks about what he was thinking should do nicely
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Sounds like he really wouldn't be interested in watching a game since you say he's "disgusted" that you play the game. I'd say don't bother, different strokes for different folks and let him think what he will.
Unless of course he is trying to use his argument to stop you from playing entirely, then you've got a different situation on your hands...
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This game is nothing like Chess. These days, it's about mechanics.
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