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IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
November 20 2009 23:04 GMT
#21
in the game lobby before the countdown, just select Protoss...
Forever Vulture.. :(
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
November 20 2009 23:14 GMT
#22
On November 21 2009 08:04 IceCube wrote:
in the game lobby before the countdown, just select Protoss...


Zerg are the new Protoss.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 20 2009 23:17 GMT
#23
On November 21 2009 06:27 neobowman wrote:
Just cheese your opponents. Easy. 9/10 gate, 10/15, 9 pool speed, 4 pool, bbs, 2 fac, any cheese should work.

How can you call 10/15gate and 2fact cheese? Those are definitely not cheese. Besides, 2fact from a low level player is so easy to stop.
Halfpastnoob
Profile Joined June 2009
United States191 Posts
November 20 2009 23:22 GMT
#24
On November 21 2009 06:39 Clownbaby wrote:
It is quite simple. Right before the match, select the little button that says random.

Scroll down to Protoss.

1a2a3a your way to #1 on the ladder.



GTFO you idiot,Protoss is just as hard of a race to play as Terran,and Zerg.
tl;dr
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
November 20 2009 23:28 GMT
#25
On November 21 2009 08:22 Halfpastnoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 06:39 Clownbaby wrote:
It is quite simple. Right before the match, select the little button that says random.

Scroll down to Protoss.

1a2a3a your way to #1 on the ladder.



GTFO you idiot,Protoss is just as hard of a race to play as Terran,and Zerg.

u mad?
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
November 20 2009 23:29 GMT
#26
On November 21 2009 08:22 Halfpastnoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 06:39 Clownbaby wrote:
It is quite simple. Right before the match, select the little button that says random.

Scroll down to Protoss.

1a2a3a your way to #1 on the ladder.



GTFO you idiot,Protoss is just as hard of a race to play as Terran,and Zerg.


Not at D.
Protoss is half as hard as terran or zerg at lower levels.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
November 20 2009 23:32 GMT
#27
Be terran, scv rush using extractor stack bug and hope your opponents don't report you.
esq>n
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
November 20 2009 23:37 GMT
#28
5pool ZvT or ZvP on andromeda is great. Scout with first overlord and a drone when pool is building.
dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
November 20 2009 23:38 GMT
#29
On November 21 2009 08:22 Halfpastnoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 06:39 Clownbaby wrote:
It is quite simple. Right before the match, select the little button that says random.

Scroll down to Protoss.

1a2a3a your way to #1 on the ladder.



GTFO you idiot,Protoss is just as hard of a race to play as Terran,and Zerg.

Protoss is the easiest to get out of D. After that, they become much harder IMO.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 20 2009 23:49 GMT
#30
The hardest part of Protoss is creating and maintaining the proper unit composition needed to fight competently, especially in PvZ. If your composition is broken it's really hard to create it again, not to mention it being hard to.
TimmyMac
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada499 Posts
November 21 2009 00:02 GMT
#31
proxy 9/9 gate ftw
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9111 Posts
November 21 2009 00:08 GMT
#32
5 pool might be ok for 4 player maps but I wouldn't suggest it on 2 player maps since it should be scouted in time.

Play ZvP and go 9 pool speedling. Then choose either 1) 2 hat muta, 2) 2 hatch hydra range rush, 3) 3 hat mass ling rush.

Note: The key is to kill their scouting probe and then prevent any further scouting so they have no clue what is going on.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9111 Posts
November 21 2009 00:09 GMT
#33
On November 21 2009 06:36 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2009 06:31 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Announcing your plans to tl is probably going to make this a bit more difficult.

Good thinking. Note to self; never make plans and post them on TL when drunk.

How far up in the ranks can you get with speedling runby's in ZvP? I've won most games I've played with that strategy on D level, but how does it fare against decent opponents?


Probably like C+ at least if you disguise it well enough and deny scouting. Octzerg got to A- I believe and speedling runbys are one of his signature moves.
fbog2
Profile Joined November 2009
United States15 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-21 00:22:42
November 21 2009 00:22 GMT
#34
7 plyon 8 gate into cannons pvt proxy of course on like hbr where u can put cannons up on the rigde
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
November 21 2009 00:31 GMT
#35
On November 21 2009 06:39 Clownbaby wrote:
It is quite simple. Right before the match, select the little button that says random.

Scroll down to Protoss.

1a2a3a your way to #1 on the ladder.

Good to see we still have trash posting on TL.
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
November 21 2009 00:52 GMT
#36
2 Hatch slow lurker drop
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
November 21 2009 00:53 GMT
#37
8 pylon
10 gate
12 carriers

... that oughtta do it.
sex appeal
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-21 00:58:28
November 21 2009 00:56 GMT
#38
On November 21 2009 06:28 Kau wrote:
Proxy-in-base hatchery on Destination. Unless it's zvz then just 5 pool and build two sunks in their base.

Seriously, just do this, send out a starting drone and 9 hatch in his main, I never lost a game with it unless my drone got there too late. So your priority is send out closest drone to your ramp, rally it to guy's base, then send remaining three drones to minerals, build first drone and then send ovi towards his base.

When you get to his ramp make sure you skirt around the edges straight away so no FE probe or walling scv spots you. Then get to 9/9, wait for 300minerals and there is a nice nook for a hatchery at the bottom of their base (if they are 12) or at the top of their base (if they are 6).

After the 9 hatch go pool -> ovi and depending on how things happen get 1-2 sunks in your own mineral line. If you start your pool with your first 200 minerals after you made your hatchery, they finish at the exact same time, which is critical.

I usually get both sunks if I see him send all his lots/workers to try and counter my main. But if the opponent manages to hold it off/is confined to their nat, you get a RIDICULOUS ADVANTAGE and just steamroll him easy. You can expand to his ex-main :D
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
November 21 2009 00:59 GMT
#39
just pick protoss!!1111 lol joke obviously hasnt been done in this thread yet im so clevar
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
November 21 2009 01:04 GMT
#40
Well if you learn to play the whole experience won't be a total waste of time like cheesing your way up
My. Copy. Is. Here.
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