EPTBetter watch the whole thing btw, but at the 05:34 PJ is putting up ninja expo (Artosis says it out while commentating). Just 2 seconds later Bisu sends probe right over there to scout. If you think this is a pure coincidence you're probably
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1984
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Better watch the whole thing btw, but at the 05:34 PJ is putting up ninja expo (Artosis says it out while commentating). Just 2 seconds later Bisu sends probe right over there to scout. If you think this is a pure coincidence you're probably | ||
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meeple
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1984
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On November 14 2009 00:34 meeple wrote: So you think Bisu was tipped off cuz he heard the crowd or because he has star-sense?? Hm, I'd say because he's Bisu  | ||
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1984
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On November 14 2009 00:36 ThePhan2m wrote: anyone would have done that?? the first thing you do when you got someone contained is to check they dont have secret expos Yes, but I've never seen so perfect and precise timing. | ||
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Bisu pretty much played perfectly after his initial attack failed and he fell back to his base. | ||
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1984
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ThePhan2m
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On November 14 2009 00:38 1984 wrote: Yes, but I've never seen so perfect and precise timing. I was only talking about the scouting, the timing of the DT was perfect and precise yes. 1984 Ukraine. November 14 2009 01:02. Posts 76 PM Profile Blog Quote I don't play protoss at all, but it didn't look like 100% mistake. He went fast expo so he needed to build more gateways and dragoons to catch up in army. So may be if PJ have built an early observer he'd fail to defend that first attack. A kind of trade-off that gave Bisu the small timing window to exploit. Does it make sense?Last edit: 2009-11-14 01:06:13 He was going for reaver, he had all the time in the world to build the observatory first, and get out observer to get it safe when he had the advantage. It was a mistake! | ||
Liquid`Drone
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bisu faces mass dragoon+expansion+slow robotics and makes a dark templar..that's not revolutionary nor great, it's just logical. in fact I think he made a mistake attacking the goons, should rather have built 2 dts and sent the first one towards pjs main and used the second to attack goons. | ||
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1984
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On November 14 2009 01:10 Liquid`Drone wrote: that game was overhyped as fuck bisu faces mass dragoon+expansion+slow robotics and makes a dark templar..that's not revolutionary nor great, it's just logical. in fact I think he made a mistake attacking the goons, should rather have built 2 dts and sent the first one towards pjs main and used the second to attack goons. I think observer timing (it popped out almost right after the chased army arrived back to the natural) was more or less fine to defend first sneaky dt, he may have killed few probes but not many, and considering 2 nexuses against one it's not a big deal. On November 14 2009 01:14 lokiM wrote: how can you say this is 1 of the most beautiful games you've ever seen? PJ got ahead, then fucked up badly.. you need to watch moer SC Dunno, it's all completely subjective stuff, but when I think of games better than this one only Flash vs FBH comes to mind. Ok, may be also Fantasy vs Jaedong on Outsider. | ||
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On November 14 2009 01:10 Liquid`Drone wrote: that game was overhyped as fuck bisu faces mass dragoon+expansion+slow robotics and makes a dark templar..that's not revolutionary nor great, it's just logical. in fact I think he made a mistake attacking the goons, should rather have built 2 dts and sent the first one towards pjs main and used the second to attack goons. | ||
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On November 14 2009 01:02 1984 wrote: I don't play protoss at all, but it didn't look like 100% mistake. He went fast expo so he needed to build more gateways and dragoons to catch up in army. So may be if PJ have built an early observer he'd fail to defend that first attack. A kind of trade-off that gave Bisu the small timing window to exploit. Does it make sense? Sort of. He already had the robo so why not build an observatory, and he didn't need as many units as bisu did to contain him due to the small choke. | ||
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lokiM
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On November 14 2009 01:10 Liquid`Drone wrote: that game was overhyped as fuck bisu faces mass dragoon+expansion+slow robotics and makes a dark templar..that's not revolutionary nor great, it's just logical. in fact I think he made a mistake attacking the goons, should rather have built 2 dts and sent the first one towards pjs main and used the second to attack goons. he didn't need more than 1, he just wanted PJ to run his goons away, and he also had no idea at the time of when he would have observers out, lets say he built 2 dts and pj had a observer a little earlier, then the DTs would be useless. 1 DT was enough and more cost effective in that given situation. BTW PJ also blocked his entire base off anyways to prevent dts | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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pj knows that bisu knows that bisu is the better player. thus, pj knows that bisu is likely to play safe and not get himself cheesed, and that he is unlikely to do any cheesy builds. this means that bisu is not going to do : fast dt, 3 gate goon no robo, or fast exp, because these builds all die against a counter build. as a consequence of this, pj does a build order that counters a build order that counters fast dt, 3 gate goon no robo or fast exp - fast exp himself. fast exp would die against fast dt or 3 gate goon no robo, but because bisu is the better player mechanically and because he is aware of this, those build orders are unlikely for him to utilize. this is what you can refer to as an "educated gamble" from pj - every now and then he just dies after 7 minutes, but whenever he does not, he has gained a significant advantage, whereas if he tried any other build order he would never die after 7 minutes but also never have a significant advantage. so then pj gets an advantage in this game which he initially capitalizes upon, but he focuses too much on the containment and neglects defending vs dt, even though this is the most likely followup from bisu after he gets contained.. so basically pj's opening was great, bisu's opening was exactly as expected, and pj fucked up afterwards allowing bisu to come back through doing what was expected once more. | ||
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