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koreasilver
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On October 26 2009 23:23 Luddite wrote: That charge was hilarious. It was like "oh crap I'm behind on econ I need to attack right now. Should I scout first? Nah no time for thatI'll just move in all my lurkers in one big clump, right towards his seiged up tanks and mine field. That'll work." Boxer totally abused the fact that he had the mental edge. When he hit the 3rd gas with MnM he made a tank+mine line at his nat, and since the lurks were too slow to go home Killer just did the knee jerk reaction and amoved into the minefield and tankline without defiler tech instead of securing his gases. The nuke silo was another thing that Boxer abused - he made the silo in clear sight of Killer's moving army and planted many tank (no pun) on the no man's land near it. Since Killer didnt want to be humiliated he just randomly charged up to the terran 3rd and lost forces repeatedly to that, ironically causing him to again suffer the humiliation of nuke. Honestly though, how he didnt capitalise on the early weakness of tech openings and boxer losing his 1st wraith is inexcusable for a young pro's mechanics >.> | ||
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
On October 26 2009 22:24 DustBowl wrote: That game was just depressing to watch IMO. The only part of that VOD worth watching is after the match is over and Boxer flashes his Obama-caliber smile. Mediocre (at absolute best) play from both players. Personally I'm of the attitude that Boxer should have gone the way of iloveoov and retired to coachdom a long time ago. He's just a gimmick now and this game practically proves it by itself. Going nukes in this game didn't even make sense and I just can't believe the OP is calling Boxer's decision "genius"... I mean he killed like 3(!) drones with that nuke and made a few building bleed... My God are you ignorant. All the haters in this thread are ripping on Boxer because of that one wraith loss and because of Killer's play. Two things: 1) People make mistakes. It happens. People rip on Boxer for this because they're convinced that he's not good enough for progaming anymore. What ever happened to mind over mechanics? Which brings me to my next point: 2) Mind over mechanics. Many people in the stream thread said he (Baxter) looked nervous. Well, of course he was! He going up against a player that MADE THIS GAME WHAT IT IS TODAY. I can't see Jaedong or any other current S-class progamer being at least mildly intimidated by that. Intimidation leads to mistakes, and plus he already lost to him previously in one of the GOM seasons. He was under a lot of pressure to perform, and he buckled under it. Combine the fact that Baxter was intimidated with the fact that Boxer is still the best (without question) at duping his opponents, you find a player incapable of making correct decisions. Yeah, I'm a fanboy, and I'll scream like a Korean schoolgirl when Boxer gets on stage, but people on here, worst of all you, are so biased because Boxer is loved by so many because of what you perceive as mediocrity. It is important to have mechanics, but if you can play mind games with your opponent by doing unorthodox builds and also having fame of past success, then you are obviously the better player. Boxer also has the luxury of spending a lot of time in those booths, where Baxter did not. Maybe he does well in team practice, but if he can't perform on stage like Boxer does (whose mistakes likely come from lack of mechanics practice), then he, again, is still not the better player. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
He may not be an all-around force anymore but he's still got the TvZ magic; it's not out of the question to see him prosper (if given the chance) as a TvZ sniper. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6184 Posts
On October 27 2009 00:18 VorcePA wrote: My God are you ignorant. All the haters in this thread are ripping on Boxer because of that one wraith loss and because of Killer's play. Two things: 1) People make mistakes. It happens. People rip on Boxer for this because they're convinced that he's not good enough for progaming anymore. What ever happened to mind over mechanics? Which brings me to my next point: 2) Mind over mechanics. Many people in the stream thread said he (Baxter) looked nervous. Well, of course he was! He going up against a player that MADE THIS GAME WHAT IT IS TODAY. I can't see Jaedong or any other current S-class progamer being at least mildly intimidated by that. Intimidation leads to mistakes, and plus he already lost to him previously in one of the GOM seasons. He was under a lot of pressure to perform, and he buckled under it. Combine the fact that Baxter was intimidated with the fact that Boxer is still the best (without question) at duping his opponents, you find a player incapable of making correct decisions. Yeah, I'm a fanboy, and I'll scream like a Korean schoolgirl when Boxer gets on stage, but people on here, worst of all you, are so biased because Boxer is loved by so many because of what you perceive as mediocrity. It is important to have mechanics, but if you can play mind games with your opponent by doing unorthodox builds and also having fame of past success, then you are obviously the better player. Boxer also has the luxury of spending a lot of time in those booths, where Baxter did not. Maybe he does well in team practice, but if he can't perform on stage like Boxer does (whose mistakes likely come from lack of mechanics practice), then he, again, is still not the better player. Sorry, I don't seen any Mind game in this match... Killer was just sucking from START to END. No need to get into his head when he just plain suck.. If that exact game was palying by Lomo or Bogus or any low-tier terran, it would be just anothe rsucky game but because Boxer was in it, everyone jump in and say how good that game was and how brillant Boxer was in this game but ... this game was really bad. | ||
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koreasilver
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Jonoman92
United States9109 Posts
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disciple
9071 Posts
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
I found the game was very sloppy by both players. + Show Spoiler + Those 2 wraiths from Boxer did MUCH more damage than 2 wraiths should Boxer's overall army control looked disorganized, just like his buildings placements. The game looked very sketchy and improvised. Nonethless, I find it such a great pleasure to see Boxer winning any match. It does not matter if he plays well or now, he is starcraft, Like the game's protagonist. If Boxer wins it is a GG. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
This age fucking sucks, the only thing that all these "newfags" care about is winning with perfect mechanics, macro, and multi-tasking. This is what all the bandwagoning threads were about, caring about winners rather than liking the players that actually play with personality. | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On October 26 2009 18:33 LibertyTerran wrote: This game is mediocre at best. Very sloppy play from Boxer. I have to agree with this. From a technical standpoint, the game was actually quite dissapointing. Boxer`s build order was neither here nor there (he seems to have adopted Flash`s "Just build everything" policy) and his control was very poor at times. Plus, he went for Nukes, even though he was not really that far ahead at that point. Had it not been for Killer`s really bad mistakes (particularly when he ran his large group of Lurkers into a minefield), I am not sure if this game would have ended the way it did. Having said that, however, I was pleasantly suprised that Boxer was included in a series that actually mattered (although one could also claim that they only featured him beacuse he would be unable to do much damage to SKT`s performance this early in the season even if he lost....but let us pretend for a second that was not the case). If there is anything I hate more then the hype that surrounds Boxer, it is the almost hypocritical stance both SKT and his fans seem to take regarding the frequency of his participation. "He can`t play regularly beacuse he cannot carry the team like Bisu and Fantasy can" people will often say. Well, if he is supposed to be "the greatest and most adaptive player of all time", that should really not represent a problem to him. Even  Leta and Sea[Shield] (both of which cannot achieve anything noteworthy in the individual leagues if their lives depended on it) at least carry their respective teams in the ProLeague. So if he is supposed to be all that and a bag of chips, he should be more then capable of competing with the best at least in Proleague. In short, show some confidence in the hero you so praise! >: (Also, even though I am not a Nada fan, I fail to see why this game proves he is not the number one progamer of all time. Infact, I am flabbergasted how come that is even a point of contention. Nada has 6 major titles to his name and was consistently among the best for 7 years until he reached the rock bottom of his career earlier this year. While titles are not everything, they are still a measure of success in competitive sports. Boxer cannot match that, therefore he does not qualify for the title (even though he is undisputably among the best progamers of all time). | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
I don't have any negative / fandom bias toward Boxer but I really feel like some people go crazy about his modern plays to the point where its getting really annoying. | ||
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kvilx
Poland198 Posts
BoxeR's alergeeks at least read my writeup... | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On October 27 2009 07:25 kvilx wrote: Umm, I wonder if at least some of those BoxeR's alergeeks at least read my writeup...Well, I am not an "alergeek" (I dislike the hype that surrounds him; I have no reason to dislike the man himself since I do not know him personally), but I did read your writeup. I actually was not really responding to you specifically; I was just providing some general thoughts on Boxer and his game against Killer. | ||
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kvilx
Poland198 Posts
On October 27 2009 07:45 Tom Phoenix wrote: Well, I am not an "alergeek" (I dislike the hype that surrounds him; I have no reason to dislike the man himself since I do not know him personally), but I did read your writeup. I actually was not really responding to you specifically; I was just providing some general thoughts on Boxer and his game against Killer. That generally wasn't aimed at you, but when you read other answers... Meh. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
fuck you haters | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
People have fun watching A and B-level ICCup players all the time at foreigner events. Most of those games show skill levels below the levels of these players. That doesn't make their games less entertaining. The game produced excitement, and had some crazy moments. Isn't that enough? | ||
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2on2
United States142 Posts
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