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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 26 2009 15:02 GMT
#41
The game was great but more in a "holy lol" way rather than a "wow, that was insane".
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
October 26 2009 15:12 GMT
#42
On October 26 2009 23:23 Luddite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 19:50 FaCE_1 wrote:
On October 26 2009 19:35 Itachii wrote:
Boxer made him suck, thats the point of this whole thread.

well.. I think kille rcan suck by himself and he really did show this in the game.

+ Show Spoiler +
How can you expect to do anythnig with those 6-8 hydra at the start?? lol
And losing like 20 lurker to mine... tha twas the worst attack ever done by a Zerg


Seriously, Killer was just plain bad, no need to start 30 thread to say how awesome Boxer was since he faced a palyer that wouldn't even reach A- in iccup O.o

That charge was hilarious. It was like "oh crap I'm behind on econ I need to attack right now. Should I scout first? Nah no time for thatI'll just move in all my lurkers in one big clump, right towards his seiged up tanks and mine field. That'll work."

Boxer totally abused the fact that he had the mental edge. When he hit the 3rd gas with MnM he made a tank+mine line at his nat, and since the lurks were too slow to go home Killer just did the knee jerk reaction and amoved into the minefield and tankline without defiler tech instead of securing his gases.

The nuke silo was another thing that Boxer abused - he made the silo in clear sight of Killer's moving army and planted many tank (no pun) on the no man's land near it. Since Killer didnt want to be humiliated he just randomly charged up to the terran 3rd and lost forces repeatedly to that, ironically causing him to again suffer the humiliation of nuke.

Honestly though, how he didnt capitalise on the early weakness of tech openings and boxer losing his 1st wraith is inexcusable for a young pro's mechanics >.>
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Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
October 26 2009 15:15 GMT
#43
Hail Emperor
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-26 15:19:19
October 26 2009 15:18 GMT
#44
On October 26 2009 22:24 DustBowl wrote:
That game was just depressing to watch IMO. The only part of that VOD worth watching is after the match is over and Boxer flashes his Obama-caliber smile. Mediocre (at absolute best) play from both players. Personally I'm of the attitude that Boxer should have gone the way of iloveoov and retired to coachdom a long time ago. He's just a gimmick now and this game practically proves it by itself. Going nukes in this game didn't even make sense and I just can't believe the OP is calling Boxer's decision "genius"... I mean he killed like 3(!) drones with that nuke and made a few building bleed...


My God are you ignorant.

All the haters in this thread are ripping on Boxer because of that one wraith loss and because of Killer's play. Two things:

1) People make mistakes. It happens. People rip on Boxer for this because they're convinced that he's not good enough for progaming anymore. What ever happened to mind over mechanics? Which brings me to my next point:

2) Mind over mechanics. Many people in the stream thread said he (Baxter) looked nervous. Well, of course he was! He going up against a player that MADE THIS GAME WHAT IT IS TODAY. I can't see Jaedong or any other current S-class progamer being at least mildly intimidated by that. Intimidation leads to mistakes, and plus he already lost to him previously in one of the GOM seasons. He was under a lot of pressure to perform, and he buckled under it. Combine the fact that Baxter was intimidated with the fact that Boxer is still the best (without question) at duping his opponents, you find a player incapable of making correct decisions.

Yeah, I'm a fanboy, and I'll scream like a Korean schoolgirl when Boxer gets on stage, but people on here, worst of all you, are so biased because Boxer is loved by so many because of what you perceive as mediocrity. It is important to have mechanics, but if you can play mind games with your opponent by doing unorthodox builds and also having fame of past success, then you are obviously the better player. Boxer also has the luxury of spending a lot of time in those booths, where Baxter did not. Maybe he does well in team practice, but if he can't perform on stage like Boxer does (whose mistakes likely come from lack of mechanics practice), then he, again, is still not the better player.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 26 2009 15:27 GMT
#45
Boxer vs zerg

He may not be an all-around force anymore but he's still got the TvZ magic; it's not out of the question to see him prosper (if given the chance) as a TvZ sniper.
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FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6185 Posts
October 26 2009 15:31 GMT
#46
On October 27 2009 00:18 VorcePA wrote:
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On October 26 2009 22:24 DustBowl wrote:
That game was just depressing to watch IMO. The only part of that VOD worth watching is after the match is over and Boxer flashes his Obama-caliber smile. Mediocre (at absolute best) play from both players. Personally I'm of the attitude that Boxer should have gone the way of iloveoov and retired to coachdom a long time ago. He's just a gimmick now and this game practically proves it by itself. Going nukes in this game didn't even make sense and I just can't believe the OP is calling Boxer's decision "genius"... I mean he killed like 3(!) drones with that nuke and made a few building bleed...


My God are you ignorant.

All the haters in this thread are ripping on Boxer because of that one wraith loss and because of Killer's play. Two things:

1) People make mistakes. It happens. People rip on Boxer for this because they're convinced that he's not good enough for progaming anymore. What ever happened to mind over mechanics? Which brings me to my next point:

2) Mind over mechanics. Many people in the stream thread said he (Baxter) looked nervous. Well, of course he was! He going up against a player that MADE THIS GAME WHAT IT IS TODAY. I can't see Jaedong or any other current S-class progamer being at least mildly intimidated by that. Intimidation leads to mistakes, and plus he already lost to him previously in one of the GOM seasons. He was under a lot of pressure to perform, and he buckled under it. Combine the fact that Baxter was intimidated with the fact that Boxer is still the best (without question) at duping his opponents, you find a player incapable of making correct decisions.

Yeah, I'm a fanboy, and I'll scream like a Korean schoolgirl when Boxer gets on stage, but people on here, worst of all you, are so biased because Boxer is loved by so many because of what you perceive as mediocrity. It is important to have mechanics, but if you can play mind games with your opponent by doing unorthodox builds and also having fame of past success, then you are obviously the better player. Boxer also has the luxury of spending a lot of time in those booths, where Baxter did not. Maybe he does well in team practice, but if he can't perform on stage like Boxer does (whose mistakes likely come from lack of mechanics practice), then he, again, is still not the better player.

Sorry, I don't seen any Mind game in this match... Killer was just sucking from START to END. No need to get into his head when he just plain suck..

If that exact game was palying by Lomo or Bogus or any low-tier terran, it would be just anothe rsucky game but because Boxer was in it, everyone jump in and say how good that game was and how brillant Boxer was in this game but ... this game was really bad.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 26 2009 15:33 GMT
#47
On October 27 2009 00:18 VorcePA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 22:24 DustBowl wrote:
That game was just depressing to watch IMO. The only part of that VOD worth watching is after the match is over and Boxer flashes his Obama-caliber smile. Mediocre (at absolute best) play from both players. Personally I'm of the attitude that Boxer should have gone the way of iloveoov and retired to coachdom a long time ago. He's just a gimmick now and this game practically proves it by itself. Going nukes in this game didn't even make sense and I just can't believe the OP is calling Boxer's decision "genius"... I mean he killed like 3(!) drones with that nuke and made a few building bleed...


My God are you ignorant.

Irony.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
October 26 2009 16:33 GMT
#48
Nice blog, don't worry about the haters. Boxers rules ez.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
October 26 2009 16:35 GMT
#49
The game is pure entertainment and shouldnt be seen otherwise. Boxer is a showman, he gave the audience what they wanted and all D players saying that the game is mediocre at best should just go back watching the Bacchus OSL finals, OMG JAEDONG AMAZING CONTROL BEST PLAYER EVER, JVZ
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Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
October 26 2009 21:02 GMT
#50
well, Im indifferent.
I found the game was very sloppy by both players.
+ Show Spoiler +

Those 2 wraiths from Boxer did MUCH more damage than 2 wraiths should
Boxer's overall army control looked disorganized, just like his buildings placements. The game looked very sketchy and improvised.

Nonethless, I find it such a great pleasure to see Boxer winning any match. It does not matter if he plays well or now, he is starcraft, Like the game's protagonist. If Boxer wins it is a GG.
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
October 26 2009 21:29 GMT
#51
I pity the people that can't find entertainment in a game.

This age fucking sucks, the only thing that all these "newfags" care about is winning with perfect mechanics, macro, and multi-tasking. This is what all the bandwagoning threads were about, caring about winners rather than liking the players that actually play with personality.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-26 21:48:45
October 26 2009 21:48 GMT
#52
On October 26 2009 18:33 LibertyTerran wrote:
This game is mediocre at best. Very sloppy play from Boxer.


I have to agree with this. From a technical standpoint, the game was actually quite dissapointing. Boxer`s build order was neither here nor there (he seems to have adopted Flash`s "Just build everything" policy) and his control was very poor at times. Plus, he went for Nukes, even though he was not really that far ahead at that point. Had it not been for Killer`s really bad mistakes (particularly when he ran his large group of Lurkers into a minefield), I am not sure if this game would have ended the way it did.

Having said that, however, I was pleasantly suprised that Boxer was included in a series that actually mattered (although one could also claim that they only featured him beacuse he would be unable to do much damage to SKT`s performance this early in the season even if he lost....but let us pretend for a second that was not the case). If there is anything I hate more then the hype that surrounds Boxer, it is the almost hypocritical stance both SKT and his fans seem to take regarding the frequency of his participation.

"He can`t play regularly beacuse he cannot carry the team like Bisu and Fantasy can" people will often say. Well, if he is supposed to be "the greatest and most adaptive player of all time", that should really not represent a problem to him. Even (T)Leta and (T)Sea[Shield] (both of which cannot achieve anything noteworthy in the individual leagues if their lives depended on it) at least carry their respective teams in the ProLeague. So if he is supposed to be all that and a bag of chips, he should be more then capable of competing with the best at least in Proleague. In short, show some confidence in the hero you so praise! >: (

Also, even though I am not a Nada fan, I fail to see why this game proves he is not the number one progamer of all time. Infact, I am flabbergasted how come that is even a point of contention. Nada has 6 major titles to his name and was consistently among the best for 7 years until he reached the rock bottom of his career earlier this year. While titles are not everything, they are still a measure of success in competitive sports. Boxer cannot match that, therefore he does not qualify for the title (even though he is undisputably among the best progamers of all time).
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
October 26 2009 21:53 GMT
#53
Boxer's got Charisma and he's paved the way for E-sports more than any other progamer in his past but lets not tie the skill level of his games with these things and claim that his plays are genius. Only thing he's good at now is killing Zergs and Zergs aren't that hard to kill when you play T.

I don't have any negative / fandom bias toward Boxer but I really feel like some people go crazy about his modern plays to the point where its getting really annoying.
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
kvilx
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Poland198 Posts
October 26 2009 22:25 GMT
#54
Umm, I wonder if at least some of those (T)BoxeR's alergeeks at least read my writeup...
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Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
October 26 2009 22:45 GMT
#55
On October 27 2009 07:25 kvilx wrote:
Umm, I wonder if at least some of those (T)BoxeR's alergeeks at least read my writeup...


Well, I am not an "alergeek" (I dislike the hype that surrounds him; I have no reason to dislike the man himself since I do not know him personally), but I did read your writeup. I actually was not really responding to you specifically; I was just providing some general thoughts on Boxer and his game against Killer.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
kvilx
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Poland198 Posts
October 26 2009 22:47 GMT
#56
On October 27 2009 07:45 Tom Phoenix wrote:
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On October 27 2009 07:25 kvilx wrote:
Umm, I wonder if at least some of those (T)BoxeR's alergeeks at least read my writeup...


Well, I am not an "alergeek" (I dislike the hype that surrounds him; I have no reason to dislike the man himself since I do not know him personally), but I did read your writeup. I actually was not really responding to you specifically; I was just providing some general thoughts on Boxer and his game against Killer.


That generally wasn't aimed at you, but when you read other answers... Meh.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 27 2009 01:17 GMT
#57
Boxers the best to ever play this game people.

fuck you haters
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 27 2009 03:56 GMT
#58
I thought that boxer's build was kind of cool really. Killer didn't know how to respond properly, and the fact that it was a pretty new map didn't help as well. Boxer made a ton of mechanical mistakes, and Killer made a bunch of bad decisions. Just goes to show that decisionmaking is still > mechanics, even at the "lower levels" (if you can call a game with boxer at lower levels) of proleague play
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 05:02:08
October 27 2009 04:55 GMT
#59
Why are people critiquing this game so hard on technique? Yes both players were sloppy based on a progamer standard. Why does that stop your enjoyment of the game?

People have fun watching A and B-level ICCup players all the time at foreigner events. Most of those games show skill levels below the levels of these players. That doesn't make their games less entertaining.

The game produced excitement, and had some crazy moments. Isn't that enough?
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2on2
Profile Joined April 2009
United States142 Posts
October 27 2009 13:20 GMT
#60
I enjoyed watching, thanks OP!
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