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[Spoiler STX vs Estro] What do you think?

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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 12:24 GMT
#1
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What do you think? Maybe it's time for us terrans to go back to our roots? Especially now when maps isn't that strong for mech anymore (at least that's what I think, I'll be glad, not really, to be proven wrong)

I always hated mech, it's so boring to watch really. I want m&m back

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Lim Yo Hwan forever!
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
September 26 2009 13:05 GMT
#2
bio terran is 10x more fun to play against and requires so much finesse for lurk/ling/defiler
mech is boring, just macro like zvp
gogo back to bio terrans
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 26 2009 13:14 GMT
#3
Errr, but bio isn't underused, it never was... Just some maps were hard for bio so people obviously used mech on them - desti, hbr. But look at smth like medusa - this map is good for both bio and mech and you can see both these strats on it.

Also outsider - another map that was played quite often - was map where you see mostly mnm or wraiths and like no mech.

We were always at our roots, just some maps required adaptation from us.
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
September 26 2009 13:18 GMT
#4
bio ftw.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
September 26 2009 13:59 GMT
#5
On September 26 2009 22:14 Kaniol wrote:
Errr, but bio isn't underused, it never was... Just some maps were hard for bio so people obviously used mech on them - desti, hbr. But look at smth like medusa - this map is good for both bio and mech and you can see both these strats on it.

Also outsider - another map that was played quite often - was map where you see mostly mnm or wraiths and like no mech.

We were always at our roots, just some maps required adaptation from us.

I've always thought Medusa was a bad map for mech 0.o
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 14:18 GMT
#6
On September 26 2009 22:59 3 Lions wrote:
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On September 26 2009 22:14 Kaniol wrote:
Errr, but bio isn't underused, it never was... Just some maps were hard for bio so people obviously used mech on them - desti, hbr. But look at smth like medusa - this map is good for both bio and mech and you can see both these strats on it.

Also outsider - another map that was played quite often - was map where you see mostly mnm or wraiths and like no mech.

We were always at our roots, just some maps required adaptation from us.

I've always thought Medusa was a bad map for mech 0.o


You HAVE to go mech on Medusa unless you wanna die to mutas.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
September 26 2009 15:03 GMT
#7
Some maps just force players to go mech. And Mech guarantees them a higher success at winning the game, so when the games matter, they will tend to go mech.

But bionic is still the shit yo
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
September 26 2009 17:00 GMT
#8
lol was it a mech opening or something?
1 fact vult into bionic?
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-26 17:15:07
September 26 2009 17:14 GMT
#9
On September 27 2009 02:00 alffla wrote:
lol was it a mech opening or something?
1 fact vult into bionic?


if that was the case I wouldn't have made this thread. mech openings = mech, even if you transition to bio imo
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 26 2009 17:26 GMT
#10
That's a terrible way of looking at things. Even Korean commentators talk about transitioning into SK Terran and etc.; 1fac vult into bio is bio; SK Terran is as much a build as it is a unit composition. Holding onto such stubborn and static definitions is just being dogmatic in a flawed way.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 17:47 GMT
#11
On September 27 2009 02:26 koreasilver wrote:
That's a terrible way of looking at things. Even Korean commentators talk about transitioning into SK Terran and etc.; 1fac vult into bio is bio; SK Terran is as much a build as it is a unit composition. Holding onto such stubborn and static definitions is just being dogmatic in a flawed way.


SK terran is when you play without tanks, push with 3 tanks and 1 vessel into 2 starport vessel is not SK terran.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 26 2009 18:06 GMT
#12
I suppose all those professional Korean commentators have been incorrect for all these years.

I mean, what? SK "composition" is an incorrect way of defining SK Terran? Damn, you should tell those OGN and MBC noobs what's right.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 19:20 GMT
#13
That's how we the foreign scene define it.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-26 19:24:12
September 26 2009 19:23 GMT
#14
On September 27 2009 02:47 Zoler wrote:
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On September 27 2009 02:26 koreasilver wrote:
That's a terrible way of looking at things. Even Korean commentators talk about transitioning into SK Terran and etc.; 1fac vult into bio is bio; SK Terran is as much a build as it is a unit composition. Holding onto such stubborn and static definitions is just being dogmatic in a flawed way.


SK terran is when you play without tanks, push with 3 tanks and 1 vessel into 2 starport vessel is not SK terran.

Yes it is...

Pushing with three tanks is a timing push, not an overall playstyle. If the T transitions into two port vessel, then it's SK terran.

SK doesn't even need to not have tanks...it just signifies a highly mobile, aggressive and attrition-based playstyle that involves irradiating the shit out of everything. So what if the T has some gas left over and makes a tank or two?

On September 27 2009 04:20 Zoler wrote:
That's how we the foreign scene define it.

lol, yeah, because you're the authority?
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araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
September 26 2009 19:29 GMT
#15
I think life is abeautiful thingie fo so
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 19:31 GMT
#16
you have valid arguments but that's not how I see it
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 26 2009 19:46 GMT
#17
On September 27 2009 04:20 Zoler wrote:
That's how we the foreign scene define it.

ROFL SK Terran is a term that originated from Korea, much like most of the SC:BW terms used in general.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 19:55 GMT
#18
On September 27 2009 04:46 koreasilver wrote:
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On September 27 2009 04:20 Zoler wrote:
That's how we the foreign scene define it.

ROFL SK Terran is a term that originated from Korea, much like most of the SC:BW terms used in general.


does it matter
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 26 2009 19:58 GMT
#19
You're acting like you're an authority on a term when you seriously aren't. Those commentators are a far greater authority on that term than you are, and I've seen people in the "foreign scene" talk about "SK transitions" before.

You're just dogmatic about something with absolutely no base to the point of being senseless.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 20:41 GMT
#20
im just talking outta my own experience on this website when I say what I think people think about that term, that's my opinion. what makes you so angry over my opinion?
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
September 27 2009 04:42 GMT
#21
When I think SK Terran I think vessel cloud and mad dropship play. I'd maybe point to Iris's bio TvZ as a good "classic" example. Obviously there's room within SK Terran play for variation since it's kind of a basic concept - for instance, Leta's 2-port wraith into SK style - but I'm pretty sure it's not just another term for all bionic play (especially since, you know, Terrans went bio TvZ before Soul_Key). For instance, there's Flash's bio which can be more tank- (and sometimes goliath-)heavy especially in the later game, and fantasy's valkonic builds. They're both basically bionic styles, but not really SK.
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