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TLnet Poll - Which run was more impressive?

Which run was more impressive? :

Summer of Clem 2024 (387)42%
Summer of TaeJa 2012 (385)42%
Don't know/tie (146)16%

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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net140 Posts
September 12 2024 15:33 GMT
#1
Discussion thread for front page poll: "Which run was more impressive?"
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33707 Posts
September 12 2024 19:59 GMT
#2
PirateTerran I vs PirateTerran II
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kaby
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation195 Posts
September 12 2024 20:05 GMT
#3
NA fans are so funny
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
September 13 2024 07:48 GMT
#4
I think it’s gotta be Clem based on how big EWC was to be fair
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4130 Posts
September 13 2024 08:05 GMT
#5
Taeja's competition was absolutely that much harder. Clem's dominant run was absolutely that much evident. I give it to Clem because with Taeja we all saw it coming, with Clem and his struggles vs Protoss and Terran many people were doubting he would ever become this dominant.
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MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-13 08:30:05
September 13 2024 08:28 GMT
#6
I see that recency bias is doing well in the polling...
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10382 Posts
September 13 2024 16:53 GMT
#7
Winning a huuge tournament is very impressive, BUT
Winning several premiere tournaments in a short time is much more rare
Clem did dominate a Serral who was in his peak form this year, but he also was in the military by EWC and that definitely gave him a disadvantage compared to early 2024 when he was in actual top form
Also, Serral is just 1 person, and Clem only got a few other wins at EWC too

Though, Taeja's tournies in 2012 did not entail him beating lots of top HotS players like MC, Life, MMA, Innovation, sOs, Zest, etc. like his later results in 2013-2015 did... so, it's not that big of a difference and I could agree with Clem dominating Serral in a Bo9 at the biggest tournament ever being more impressive too
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1367 Posts
September 13 2024 17:09 GMT
#8
When your run includes winning the biggest tournament ever while going 8-0 against the GOAT and best player of the year (so far), crushing said player 5-0 in the finals, while then also going on a killing-spree in WTL-playoffs afterwards, dominating most players and even crushing one of the best online-players 3-0 and the only thing that stops your run is a crazy italian, who you then beat two times in the following offline event...yeah, that is an incredible run.

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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-13 17:18:08
September 13 2024 17:16 GMT
#9
Clem by a lot IMO.
If TaeJa had gotten a code S during that summer we could talk.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
September 13 2024 20:17 GMT
#10
On September 13 2024 17:28 MJG wrote:
I see that recency bias is doing well in the polling...

As someone who thinks Taeja is massively underrated these days by many, the one thing he never nailed was a giant tourney like a WC or a GSL, which Clem did pull off this summer.
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-13 20:47:31
September 13 2024 20:46 GMT
#11
Clem.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13022 Posts
September 13 2024 21:01 GMT
#12
8-0 vs Serral alone makes it an insane run
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
September 13 2024 23:44 GMT
#13
If Serral's the GOAT w/o GSL Taeja's the Ram
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Highwinds
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada955 Posts
September 14 2024 01:41 GMT
#14
It's Clem, and it's not even close. I'm not a European Starcraft fanboy like half of TL is, and even im in agreement.
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Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1261 Posts
September 14 2024 04:22 GMT
#15
To me the craziest thing about the TaeJa run in 2012 was after winning those 3 big tournaments back to back and looking on top of the world, then he goes into the IPL Team League and just carries TL so hard with so many back to back matches of him winning like 4-5 games straight, and to do it as their teams last life in the first set of the finals to get the full reset for the 2nd match was so hype back then. Even though they barely lost in the 2nd set it was a crazy thing to witness back then.

I picked TaeJa mostly because of that and how team leagues in general back then felt like they had more weight/importance and how that one was also an offline finals which made it even cooler. But Clem's total dominance at EWC probably is the real answer. But I'll let my old TL Korean bias take over a bit.
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Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States839 Posts
September 14 2024 04:44 GMT
#16
Taeja's run is more impressive in terms of quantity, but Clem has harder opponents who are playing at the highest levels of StarCraft weve ever seen, and hes made it look effortless. Not just build order wins, just straight up monster moding it.
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States886 Posts
September 14 2024 05:02 GMT
#17
Haha I love this comparison and how close the poll is. As one of the biggest TaeJa stans out there, Clem is the only Terran in the last decade or so that I think is truly his spiritual successor. I think TaeJa's summer was overall more impressive given the overall quality of the scene back then, but Clem peaked harder when he 8-0'd Serral (the best player the world has ever seen).
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-14 14:55:54
September 14 2024 14:55 GMT
#18
On September 14 2024 13:22 Gemini_19 wrote:
To me the craziest thing about the TaeJa run in 2012 was after winning those 3 big tournaments back to back and looking on top of the world, then he goes into the IPL Team League and just carries TL so hard with so many back to back matches of him winning like 4-5 games straight, and to do it as their teams last life in the first set of the finals to get the full reset for the 2nd match was so hype back then. Even though they barely lost in the 2nd set it was a crazy thing to witness back then.

I picked TaeJa mostly because of that and how team leagues in general back then felt like they had more weight/importance and how that one was also an offline finals which made it even cooler. But Clem's total dominance at EWC probably is the real answer. But I'll let my old TL Korean bias take over a bit.

Still one of the all-time great feats in SC2 IMO that IPLTAC performance

That was a really cool tournament too. It’s a shame they didn’t persist with it
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Similar_Fix
Profile Joined September 2024
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-14 15:49:24
September 14 2024 15:46 GMT
#19
On September 14 2024 13:22 Gemini_19 wrote:
To me the craziest thing about the TaeJa run in 2012 was after winning those 3 big tournaments back to back and looking on top of the world, then he goes into the IPL Team League and just carries TL so hard with so many back to back matches of him winning like 4-5 games straight, and to do it as their teams last life in the first set of the finals to get the full reset for the 2nd match was so hype back then. Even though they barely lost in the 2nd set it was a crazy thing to witness back then.

I picked TaeJa mostly because of that and how team leagues in general back then felt like they had more weight/importance and how that one was also an offline finals which made it even cooler. But Clem's total dominance at EWC probably is the real answer. But I'll let my old TL Korean bias take over a bit.


I was in the audience of IPL TAC 3, and the day summary is still carved in my mind :

IM beats Team Taeja 1-7
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33707 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-14 16:13:24
September 14 2024 16:13 GMT
#20
On September 14 2024 23:55 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2024 13:22 Gemini_19 wrote:
To me the craziest thing about the TaeJa run in 2012 was after winning those 3 big tournaments back to back and looking on top of the world, then he goes into the IPL Team League and just carries TL so hard with so many back to back matches of him winning like 4-5 games straight, and to do it as their teams last life in the first set of the finals to get the full reset for the 2nd match was so hype back then. Even though they barely lost in the 2nd set it was a crazy thing to witness back then.

I picked TaeJa mostly because of that and how team leagues in general back then felt like they had more weight/importance and how that one was also an offline finals which made it even cooler. But Clem's total dominance at EWC probably is the real answer. But I'll let my old TL Korean bias take over a bit.

Still one of the all-time great feats in SC2 IMO that IPLTAC performance

That was a really cool tournament too. It’s a shame they didn’t persist with it


Well, IPL itself died not long after IPL TAC3 ended—an early canary in the coal mine about what a money burner live esports could be.

TakeTV's Acer TeamStory Cup is the more unfortunate casualty to me. It had a nice three-season run for hardcore fans, but it was trying to compete in an era where the SC2 calendar was more densely packed, and it couldn't avoid comparisons to Proleague as the real team competition of relevance. In a way, WTL picked up where ATC left off once Proleague died and the scene reorganized around ESL.
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