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How do you feel about Flash possibly returning to Brood War streaming/competition after his crypto scandal? :

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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net131 Posts
July 22 2024 04:50 GMT
#1
Discussion thread for front page poll: "How do you feel about Flash possibly returning to Brood War streaming/competition after his crypto scandal?"
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8097 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-22 13:17:01
July 22 2024 13:16 GMT
#2
Glad to see him back, but only if he makes amends with his fans and the Korean BW community. As foreigners all we can do is watch.
Free Palestine
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10153 Posts
July 22 2024 15:22 GMT
#3
FlaSh brings creativity and new ideas to Brood War, since he's always going to be trying to figure out how to optimize everything and find every little advantage. That's his genius, and then the rest of the Terrans will follow suit and evolve a new meta game. So very excited for the state of Brood War. Obviously we have the elephant in the room that should be addressed at some point, but as Ideas says, that's not really for us to look at, it's for the Korean netizens.
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NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1598 Posts
July 22 2024 17:03 GMT
#4
I feel like those who gambled on a get rich quick scheme are looking for an out for their own personal mistake. Glad he is back and not letting the poor decisions of meme coin investors keep him down.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8097 Posts
July 22 2024 20:48 GMT
#5
On July 23 2024 02:03 NoobSkills wrote:
I feel like those who gambled on a get rich quick scheme are looking for an out for their own personal mistake. Glad he is back and not letting the poor decisions of meme coin investors keep him down.


Dude the whole world economy is a get rick quick scheme lmao
Free Palestine
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
July 22 2024 21:53 GMT
#6
Outside of Korea he did nothing wrong and I think most of us are irritated it took this long for him to be able to come back.
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
July 23 2024 02:16 GMT
#7
As a Flash fanboy, I do hope that the crypto scandal taught him something. I hope he is more transparent and cautious with how his fame may influence others. That said, I don't think that the scandal truly crosses the line into outright scamming. It may have been arrogant or careless, but I don't think it was malicious.

It would have to be VERY malicious for me to not want to watch him play BW. He's the GOAT. I hope he learns something from the experience and dedicates himself to making up for any harm he may have caused... but jesus, lemme watch him play BW!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4193 Posts
July 23 2024 10:03 GMT
#8
Enjoyed the time without him playing quite a lot. Tournaments were much more interesting to follow. It seems that this era will be ending now.

Oh well.. Shame.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
william1213
Profile Joined July 2024
5 Posts
July 23 2024 10:14 GMT
#9
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william1213
Profile Joined July 2024
5 Posts
July 23 2024 12:41 GMT
#10
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Suikakuju
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany238 Posts
July 23 2024 12:59 GMT
#11
But does he really return? I think KCM was like "he is worse than savior" ^^
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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-23 17:35:41
July 23 2024 15:04 GMT
#12
I'd like to see him ousted from the BW community forever, just as with savior (and life in SC2). Why? I don't really care about justice or due punishment, nope. I just want to see legendary figures do a complete nosedive into the greatest failures and become the antithesis of what they used to represent, if only to make myself feel a bit better about my own worthless existence with zero accomplishments. Society might enjoy seeing an Icarus fly close to the sun, inspiring hopes and dreams of their own. But society definitely enjoys seeing that same Icarus fall flat on his ass way, way more. After all, that's the essence of gossip (aka entertainment), isn't it? Are you not entertained?

Oops, I'm starting to sound like the maga crowd who want to force women into having unwanted children, take away their social safety nets, and have them grow up and instead of becoming productive tax-paying members of society, relish in the idea of these mongrels turning to a life of crime and turning society to shit. Pro-life? F that. Basically, I just want others to be as miserable as the heroin-shooting, trailer trash that I am. Bonus points if they used to be well-regarded and respectable people in their field, that shit sustains my inner schadenfreude's wretched existence. The bigger they are, the harder they fall! I'm like the Lich King edging myself to Arthas's downfall.

I mean, if people like Trump can find ways to shit on actual legends like Lincoln and Washington, just to stroke their own worthless egos and help them sleep at night, then I'm going to do it too. Maybe I should become a Nazi too, heard that was the cool thing to do nowadays. But then again, I'm getting too old to go through another edgy adolescent phase?

+ Show Spoiler +
/s

Seriously, I don't know much about the actual situation to make any call. Some say he was malicious and knew about and was in on the rug pull, others say he didn't and was just naive. Who knows what the truth is? If it was the former, definitely pariah treatment. If it was the latter, have him issue an official apology and call it a day.

I want to watch good BW matches, don't know if he'd help with that.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10141 Posts
July 23 2024 16:20 GMT
#13
^ The fuck? Lmao
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
July 23 2024 16:59 GMT
#14
Real question is when does his stream start back up. I wanna get that sweet flash pov again
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4193 Posts
July 23 2024 17:47 GMT
#15
On July 24 2024 00:04 riotjune wrote:
I'd like to see him ousted from the BW community forever, just as with savior (and life in SC2). Why? I don't really care about justice or due punishment, nope. I just want to see legendary figures do a complete nosedive into the greatest failures and become the antithesis of what they used to represent, if only to make myself feel a bit better about my own worthless existence with zero accomplishments. Society might enjoy seeing an Icarus fly close to the sun, inspiring hopes and dreams of their own. But society definitely enjoys seeing that same Icarus fall flat on his ass way, way more. After all, that's the essence of gossip (aka entertainment), isn't it? Are you not entertained?

Oops, I'm starting to sound like the maga crowd who want to force women into having unwanted children, take away their social safety nets, and have them grow up and instead of becoming productive tax-paying members of society, relish in the idea of these mongrels turning to a life of crime and turning society to shit. Pro-life? F that. Basically, I just want others to be as miserable as the heroin-shooting, trailer trash that I am. Bonus points if they used to be well-regarded and respectable people in their field, that shit sustains my inner schadenfreude's wretched existence. The bigger they are, the harder they fall! I'm like the Lich King edging myself to Arthas's downfall.

I mean, if people like Trump can find ways to shit on actual legends like Lincoln and Washington, just to stroke their own worthless egos and help them sleep at night, then I'm going to do it too. Maybe I should become a Nazi too, heard that was the cool thing to do nowadays. But then again, I'm getting too old to go through another edgy adolescent phase?

+ Show Spoiler +
/s

Seriously, I don't know much about the actual situation to make any call. Some say he was malicious and knew about and was in on the rug pull, others say he didn't and was just naive. Who knows what the truth is? If it was the former, definitely pariah treatment. If it was the latter, have him issue an official apology and call it a day.

I want to watch good BW matches, don't know if he'd help with that.

Well.. that escalated quickly.

odi profanum vulgus et arceo
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8015 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-23 18:41:46
July 23 2024 18:29 GMT
#16
On July 24 2024 00:04 riotjune wrote:
I'd like to see him ousted from the BW community forever, just as with savior (and life in SC2). Why? I don't really care about justice or due punishment, nope. I just want to see legendary figures do a complete nosedive into the greatest failures and become the antithesis of what they used to represent, if only to make myself feel a bit better about my own worthless existence with zero accomplishments. Society might enjoy seeing an Icarus fly close to the sun, inspiring hopes and dreams of their own. But society definitely enjoys seeing that same Icarus fall flat on his ass way, way more. After all, that's the essence of gossip (aka entertainment), isn't it? Are you not entertained?

Oops, I'm starting to sound like the maga crowd who want to force women into having unwanted children, take away their social safety nets, and have them grow up and instead of becoming productive tax-paying members of society, relish in the idea of these mongrels turning to a life of crime and turning society to shit. Pro-life? F that. Basically, I just want others to be as miserable as the heroin-shooting, trailer trash that I am. Bonus points if they used to be well-regarded and respectable people in their field, that shit sustains my inner schadenfreude's wretched existence. The bigger they are, the harder they fall! I'm like the Lich King edging myself to Arthas's downfall.

I mean, if people like Trump can find ways to shit on actual legends like Lincoln and Washington, just to stroke their own worthless egos and help them sleep at night, then I'm going to do it too. Maybe I should become a Nazi too, heard that was the cool thing to do nowadays. But then again, I'm getting too old to go through another edgy adolescent phase?

+ Show Spoiler +
/s

Seriously, I don't know much about the actual situation to make any call. Some say he was malicious and knew about and was in on the rug pull, others say he didn't and was just naive. Who knows what the truth is? If it was the former, definitely pariah treatment. If it was the latter, have him issue an official apology and call it a day.

I want to watch good BW matches, don't know if he'd help with that.


Mate, that's not going to happen. Flash is already playing and the streamers who play vs him get huge number of viewers, much above their average. Like Snow today!

+ Show Spoiler +
Tho he lost 0-6 !!! , he received a lot of donations from the fans! So everybody , except maybe you, want him back



Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8015 Posts
July 23 2024 18:32 GMT
#17
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria408 Posts
July 23 2024 18:40 GMT
#18
If rapists like Bryant and Ronaldo are still widely popular, I don't see flash waning in popularity if he streams. I feel nothing but contempt for him and I wouldn't watch his stream. All in all, for my personal enjoyment it is rather irrelevant if bw has flash or not. I haven't been missing him at all for the two years he was gone.
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6579 Posts
July 23 2024 20:22 GMT
#19
On July 24 2024 03:40 JoinTheRain wrote:
If rapists like Bryant and Ronaldo are still widely popular, I don't see flash waning in popularity if he streams. I feel nothing but contempt for him and I wouldn't watch his stream. All in all, for my personal enjoyment it is rather irrelevant if bw has flash or not. I haven't been missing him at all for the two years he was gone.

Not shot you bringing Kobe and Ronaldo into this. Rip kobe man and Ronaldo is not guilty.
Like respectfully you can f*ck yourself.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1598 Posts
July 23 2024 20:32 GMT
#20
On July 23 2024 05:48 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2024 02:03 NoobSkills wrote:
I feel like those who gambled on a get rich quick scheme are looking for an out for their own personal mistake. Glad he is back and not letting the poor decisions of meme coin investors keep him down.


Dude the whole world economy is a get rick quick scheme lmao


In what way? Lol? The average person has no option, and they typically are taken by that scheme. But when I don't win the lottery when I pick a ticket, I don't cry about the person who advertised for the lotto that the store and store clerk and store owner sold me, that would be fucking delusional. They could have just as easily invested in the general market, or started their own business, or bought a property to rent out etc to increase their worth. But instead they chose 1000x or bust type of deals which usually result in people going broke.
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