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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8669 Posts
July 24 2024 15:55 GMT
#21
Best vs "anonymous" terran.... hmmm i wonder who is it ....

hint :

+ Show Spoiler +


Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4208 Posts
July 24 2024 19:03 GMT
#22
Eh, I'm indifferent. It sucks but I think the Korean fandom has to deal with this issue with the powers that be to make sure the victims are made whole. I don't have all the facts and the foreign viewership is so small compared to the Korean market.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26626 Posts
July 24 2024 20:33 GMT
#23
On July 23 2024 02:03 NoobSkills wrote:
I feel like those who gambled on a get rich quick scheme are looking for an out for their own personal mistake. Glad he is back and not letting the poor decisions of meme coin investors keep him down.

You seem to be giving Flash a rather generous pass on his own poor decisions in this matter
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
July 25 2024 19:23 GMT
#24
On July 25 2024 05:33 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2024 02:03 NoobSkills wrote:
I feel like those who gambled on a get rich quick scheme are looking for an out for their own personal mistake. Glad he is back and not letting the poor decisions of meme coin investors keep him down.

You seem to be giving Flash a rather generous pass on his own poor decisions in this matter


You seem to be giving flash blame for something he had zero control over. He didn't make anyone invest, nor was he an owner of the scam coin company. If you were hired as an actor for an advertisement of a company that did some shady crap, should I blame you? Hell even if you were an employee of that company who had ZERO knowledge of the shady crap should I blame you? It isn't a generous pass it is reality without witch hunting for someone extra to blame other than the actual person or persons responsible. Even beyond that, ANYONE who has suffered massive losses off gambles such as NFT or meme coins or risky stock market gambles designed their own fate. Would you blame the store clerk who sold them 50,000 in lottery tickets? They're grown ups and while they can be mad at the scam coin owner which is valid, they also need to look at themselves rather than search for others to be outraged at.
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States316 Posts
July 25 2024 22:46 GMT
#25
as someone who doesn't give a shit about any scandal??????
yeah, bring back flash.
i watch people play video games. i don't assign moral value to every god damn thing. idc if they contributed to a pump and dump.
"You're the idiot, idiot. That's why your fuckin' name is Idiot." - Artosis to CSG
Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
250 Posts
July 26 2024 03:09 GMT
#26
I really don't think anything at all. I think it is a fake scandal. People try to hard to cancel people these days. Community needs to stop being snowflakes
.

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radracer
Profile Joined March 2020
United States74 Posts
July 26 2024 07:39 GMT
#27
Considering the other people involved have also apologized and rejoined, I don't see why not.
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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Profile Joined July 2024
1 Post
July 26 2024 08:34 GMT
#28
On July 26 2024 12:09 Optimate wrote:
I really don't think anything at all. I think it is a fake scandal. People try to hard to cancel people these days. Community needs to stop being snowflakes
.

100%. When folks make stupid decisions, it's only human nature to find someone to blame. At the end of the day, flash isn't robbing anyone. It's their own decision to invest and granted they did not do their own due diligence, it's still them to blame. This isn't rocket science guys. We live in a capitalist society.

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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1211 Posts
July 26 2024 11:25 GMT
#29
Flash got blowback for the scandal because his response was to blame everyone else, lying about his pre-investment, and then blaming his mom. He never actually apologized or took responsibility. Its not because he was involved, its because he handled it badly.
JDON MY SOUL!
Drock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
July 26 2024 20:01 GMT
#30
On July 24 2024 00:04 riotjune wrote:
I'd like to see him ousted from the BW community forever, just as with savior (and life in SC2). Why? I don't really care about justice or due punishment, nope. I just want to see legendary figures do a complete nosedive into the greatest failures and become the antithesis of what they used to represent, if only to make myself feel a bit better about my own worthless existence with zero accomplishments. Society might enjoy seeing an Icarus fly close to the sun, inspiring hopes and dreams of their own. But society definitely enjoys seeing that same Icarus fall flat on his ass way, way more. After all, that's the essence of gossip (aka entertainment), isn't it? Are you not entertained?

Oops, I'm starting to sound like the maga crowd who want to force women into having unwanted children, take away their social safety nets, and have them grow up and instead of becoming productive tax-paying members of society, relish in the idea of these mongrels turning to a life of crime and turning society to shit. Pro-life? F that. Basically, I just want others to be as miserable as the heroin-shooting, trailer trash that I am. Bonus points if they used to be well-regarded and respectable people in their field, that shit sustains my inner schadenfreude's wretched existence. The bigger they are, the harder they fall! I'm like the Lich King edging myself to Arthas's downfall.

I mean, if people like Trump can find ways to shit on actual legends like Lincoln and Washington, just to stroke their own worthless egos and help them sleep at night, then I'm going to do it too. Maybe I should become a Nazi too, heard that was the cool thing to do nowadays. But then again, I'm getting too old to go through another edgy adolescent phase?

+ Show Spoiler +
/s

Seriously, I don't know much about the actual situation to make any call. Some say he was malicious and knew about and was in on the rug pull, others say he didn't and was just naive. Who knows what the truth is? If it was the former, definitely pariah treatment. If it was the latter, have him issue an official apology and call it a day.

I want to watch good BW matches, don't know if he'd help with that.


Get off the pharmaceuticals, stop lying to yourself, and go for a walk. You don’t have to live this way. Your existence is not worthless and if you have accomplished nothing, that is 100% on you. Stop using others to excuse your outlook on life and start focusing on making your life better. Otherwise, your pain and anguish will continue for the rest of your life. Being angry, depressed, and miserable is a hard life with terrible results. Facing reality, bettering yourself, and changing your life is also a hard life but yields much better results. Choose your hard.
I kinda miss Idra...
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1495 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-27 00:03:45
July 26 2024 23:58 GMT
#31
To people who don't know much about his crypto incident, do give video I wrote and researched for Saiyan's voiceover a watch before commenting: I tried to be impartial while summarizing the incident



I've been accused of it being a 10 minute clickbait video but I didn't earn a penny from this video and it's not even on my own channel- it's Saiyan's channel anyway as I am not confident of my own vocal skills/editing in making a video
I just presented what happened in full script format/images/subs while Saiyan put together a fantastic video together with a voiceover

and not like my own channel is monetized anyway (due to ethical reasons obviously)
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1537 Posts
July 27 2024 07:24 GMT
#32
#StopTheCope

Flash did the bad. That's a fact.

No need to make up excuses for him.

He is the greatest BW player. Also a fact.

Just because he is the BW goat that does not make him a good person automatically.

You CAN like his skills AND dislike his real life choices at the same time.

To the people who just say "it was the fault of his for trusting him" I GUARANTEE you would not be saying that if it was YOU getting scammed. For example say you deposit 1000 bucks in ur bank and the next day the bank tells you "OH BRUH THAT 1000 BUCKS IS NOW ACTUALLY OUR MONEY, SHOULDA READ THE SMALL PRINT BRUH" I 1000% guarantee you would NOT accept that. You would not say "I guess I should have read the small print, it was all my fault, I am dumb therefore I do not deserve my money, the bank got me fair and square"

BTW I voted Very positive for his return.




ko-fi.com/luckynoob
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
July 27 2024 18:03 GMT
#33
On July 27 2024 16:24 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
#StopTheCope

Flash did the bad. That's a fact.

No need to make up excuses for him.

He is the greatest BW player. Also a fact.

Just because he is the BW goat that does not make him a good person automatically.

You CAN like his skills AND dislike his real life choices at the same time.

To the people who just say "it was the fault of his for trusting him" I GUARANTEE you would not be saying that if it was YOU getting scammed. For example say you deposit 1000 bucks in ur bank and the next day the bank tells you "OH BRUH THAT 1000 BUCKS IS NOW ACTUALLY OUR MONEY, SHOULDA READ THE SMALL PRINT BRUH" I 1000% guarantee you would NOT accept that. You would not say "I guess I should have read the small print, it was all my fault, I am dumb therefore I do not deserve my money, the bank got me fair and square"

BTW I voted Very positive for his return.






You're right, I would be mad at the sham bank. I would be mad at the owner of the sham bank. I would also be mad at myself for not doing any research about the sham bank and foolishly putting my money in with an unstable banking institution.

What I wouldn't do. Is blame someone who had a good experience at that same bank. Or the lady they hired for a commercial for their advertisement for the bank. Seeing as that lady had no idea the bank was a sham bank. Nor was it her responsibility to investigate the sham bank's shammyness.

"Flash did the bad" No, no he didn't. There is a reason why there are zero legal repercussions for what happened for flash. It is because he did not in fact "do the bad". You can't even argue he has some sort of moral responsibility outside of the law because he didn't know it was going to be a scam coin.
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada453 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-27 20:13:28
July 27 2024 19:52 GMT
#34
On July 27 2024 05:01 Drock wrote:
Get off the pharmaceuticals, stop lying to yourself, and go for a walk. You don’t have to live this way. Your existence is not worthless and if you have accomplished nothing, that is 100% on you. Stop using others to excuse your outlook on life and start focusing on making your life better. Otherwise, your pain and anguish will continue for the rest of your life. Being angry, depressed, and miserable is a hard life with terrible results. Facing reality, bettering yourself, and changing your life is also a hard life but yields much better results. Choose your hard.


Suppose I'm disabled? And suppose I can't walk? Suppose I have an inherited nerve condition I've developed since I was 12. Suppose my hands and feet dont work anymore. Suppose I'm just 22 with no job and no education. Suppose no one will hire me. Suppose I watched all my bests friends get degrees/husbands/careers, and they left me in the dust. Suppose during COVID I spent 3 years lying in a bed. Suppose for last 10 years I've watched my own mother's descent into depression, opioid use, and addiction, as chronic pain overwhelmed her while her nerves and connective tissues fall apart and failed her at age 40.

Suppose I know for a fact I will live through the same fate. Suppose I am watching it happen daily. Suppose I can't hold a pen or a pencil anymore, not like I could just a few years ago. Suppose I need a wheelchair. Suppose I can barely type on a keyboard now. And yet in my mind, suppose I'm still just "a normal" 22 year old girl, with hopes and dreams...

"Facing reality" .... "bettering yourself". ... "Choose your hard." ???

FUCK YOU, abelist asshole.


P.S. Flash is gonna come back. The end.
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
July 28 2024 15:39 GMT
#35
Hope he returns. He is after all the best player ever.

Regarding the crypto shit, I just can't understand how someone is interested in that shit. Really? People do stupid things for money?

I'm here for starcraft and nothing else. Wether he wipes his ass with his left or right hand is totally uninteresting to me.
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1537 Posts
July 30 2024 11:03 GMT
#36
On July 28 2024 03:03 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2024 16:24 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
#StopTheCope

Flash did the bad. That's a fact.

No need to make up excuses for him.

He is the greatest BW player. Also a fact.

Just because he is the BW goat that does not make him a good person automatically.

You CAN like his skills AND dislike his real life choices at the same time.

To the people who just say "it was the fault of his for trusting him" I GUARANTEE you would not be saying that if it was YOU getting scammed. For example say you deposit 1000 bucks in ur bank and the next day the bank tells you "OH BRUH THAT 1000 BUCKS IS NOW ACTUALLY OUR MONEY, SHOULDA READ THE SMALL PRINT BRUH" I 1000% guarantee you would NOT accept that. You would not say "I guess I should have read the small print, it was all my fault, I am dumb therefore I do not deserve my money, the bank got me fair and square"

BTW I voted Very positive for his return.







You're right, I would be mad at the sham bank. I would be mad at the owner of the sham bank. I would also be mad at myself for not doing any research about the sham bank and foolishly putting my money in with an unstable banking institution.

What I wouldn't do. Is blame someone who had a good experience at that same bank. Or the lady they hired for a commercial for their advertisement for the bank. Seeing as that lady had no idea the bank was a sham bank. Nor was it her responsibility to investigate the sham bank's shammyness.

"Flash did the bad" No, no he didn't. There is a reason why there are zero legal repercussions for what happened for flash. It is because he did not in fact "do the bad". You can't even argue he has some sort of moral responsibility outside of the law because he didn't know it was going to be a scam coin.


Just because something is legal or illegal does not automatically make it good or bad. For example legal executions

"(Sea, flash, Guemchi and non sc streamers) to invest crypto he was planning to make called "T.ocoin". They signed agreement that their money will be secured no matter what."

So apparently he would not have lost money either way (provided "good guy Suit" came through, that's the person behind the coin). ^_._^ This is very different from being paid directly to advertise a product you don't personally own AND you are hiding you actually own it without a possibility of losing money.

Let's say only a few people invested in it. Then Flash pulls out his money driving the price even lower and Suit pays him the difference as per the contract. Flash lost basically nothing. While average investor lost a lot because they are not covered against a loss and they didn't know Flash had so little confidence he had to be making a Free bet essentially and in secret to risk his own money.

Presumably if people knew he was making a free bet they would be less confident about their own investment.

There definitely is a legal and moral debate to be had.

Otherwise he would not have gone into hiding and his fans would have been happy to lose their money.






ko-fi.com/luckynoob
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4410 Posts
July 30 2024 11:11 GMT
#37
Why would people invest in a random shitcoin because their favourite starcraft player tells them to.
The crypto stuff is stupid but it's good to see him back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8669 Posts
July 30 2024 11:45 GMT
#38
On July 30 2024 20:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Why would people invest in a random shitcoin because their favourite starcraft player tells them to.
The crypto stuff is stupid but it's good to see him back.

Agree 100 % !

I wrote this before but i wouldn't ever invest in anything if JD told so , even if i love him more than anything! If JD , for example , said: "please donate to me because i need support" , i would ! no questions asked , i want nothing in return! But not this coin , or nft or other shady stuff...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8669 Posts
July 30 2024 11:48 GMT
#39
And speaking of JD , we have Jd vs Royal right now! and mind vs light in that university competition ! We need Flash to take part in all of this !!!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
July 30 2024 19:36 GMT
#40
I am glad to see the survey results - 10% of people make 90% of noise. Look forward to Flash streaming again.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
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