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Motat
Profile Joined November 2010
315 Posts
January 10 2011 02:14 GMT
#401
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=183104

I read the rules, I don't see what i'm doing wrong.
PM me for coaching. I'm a mid masters zerg player.
gakkgakk
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Norway902 Posts
January 10 2011 02:57 GMT
#402
On January 10 2011 11:14 Motat wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=183104

I read the rules, I don't see what i'm doing wrong.


I am no expert on this, but I will try my best to help you understand this. Your original post was as follows:


As zerg how would I beat a maruader/thor/tank ball?

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/126356-1v1-terran-zerg-steppes-of-war

In the beginning I though I won, I did so much damage to him, but he pulled again and won eventually.


The reply you got from the admin was a link to the strategy forum guidelines. Since your post was a [H] topic, you should read the part of the strategy forum guidelines about the [H] topics. It is as follows:



[H] Help threads.

Post a replay, give your own analysis, get help!

The classic “Why did I lose this game?”. For these threads it is absolutely required that you post a replay. No exceptions. Nobody is going to be able to help you if you won’t post a replay.

Additionally, first put some thought into what happened in the game, and include your own analysis into the thread. It might be wrong, but try your best. It doesn’t have to be long, a few point form lines is enough to give people a starting point to give you advice. Your thread won’t last if you won’t put any effort in it.

If you have specific questions, ask them along with your analysis. It’s always easier to reply if we know what exactly you need help with.


The first thing that is said about [H] threads is: Post a replay, give your own analysis, get help!
You did the first part correctly, you posted a replay. Also, you wanted some help. Theres no problem thus far.

So that leaves only one thing: give your own analysis. One could say you did so with the following:
In the beginning I though I won, I did so much damage to him, but he pulled again and won eventually.

One could argue theres not much analysis there. In the beginning you thought you won. Fair enough. You did so much damage to him.

So in the beginning of the game you did alot of damage to him and you thought you had the game won. But he somehow managed to defend, and eventually best you.

In my humble opinion this is not a very good analysis. In fact, it almost seems as if you have not watched the replay yet. As if this post actually was rather impulsive. And theres actually a paragraph in the strategy forum guidelines about this:
Additionally, first put some thought into what happened in the game, and include your own analysis into the thread. It might be wrong, but try your best. It doesn’t have to be long, a few point form lines is enough to give people a starting point to give you advice. Your thread won’t last if you won’t put any effort in it.

Atleast for me, it is starting to become very clear why your thread was closed. I think if you had more specific questions about your game, it would live longer. Infact, now that I think of it, your one question is in the thread title
ZVT how to win against maruader/thor/tank?

Is this a composition you lose to on a regular basis? Are you having immense trouble with it? Or is it something that you have rarely encoutered, and you don't know how to play against it?

In any case, someone before you have probably faced this composition. And maybe they've made a help thread about it. Or even better, they've come up with ways to win against it and have decided to make a guide on how to play against it.

I only did a quick search, but you might want to check out http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176625 . A great read for any aspiring zerg users. Allthough that particular thread doesn't really discuss your problem playing against maurader/thor/tank as an army composition, I am confident that you will, with a little effort, find threads that do.

And if all else fails, you can try make a new thread, only this time, put a little more effort into it, so that it complies with the guidelines for the strategy forums.

I hope that I have cleared some things up for you, Motat.
And also, pardon my poorly written response. English is not my native language.
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Motat
Profile Joined November 2010
315 Posts
January 10 2011 03:02 GMT
#403
thanks alot
PM me for coaching. I'm a mid masters zerg player.
gakkgakk
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Norway902 Posts
January 10 2011 03:04 GMT
#404
On January 10 2011 12:02 Motat wrote:
thanks alot

You are very welcome, buddy
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 07:21:12
January 10 2011 07:19 GMT
#405
No one came here to ask, so I guess I will. I pmed Zatic but I figured I should of just posted it here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182538
The Steven Bonnell fanclub was closed with the reasoning being that hes not a "top" player when hes a 3300 ranked Zerg and 58th on the NA master rank. He also consistently streams with 600+ viewers if that has any bearing on him being popular enough for a fan club. His stream quality is great and commentary is hilarious.

Oh and on the master list he is higher ranked than spades, who has a fanclub.
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hallihg
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland61 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 11:48:05
January 10 2011 11:44 GMT
#406
I created that Steve Bonell II fanclub thread, and as viewers can see, it was taken down because appearantly Destiny isnt well known / well respected enough by TL standards.

Then I decided to create a thread to discuss non featured streamers, who obviously arent well known enough, or respected, to become featured streamers.

But that thread was also taken down, because usually streamers are supposed to have their own thread.

I PM'ed Jibba about these thread takedowns and I got a very short word answer that can barely be called an explanation, just that Destiny should be discussed in destiny thread, which is the only thread concerning Steve Bonnell that hasnt been taken down (yet).

It doesnt make sense that Steve gets around 1000 viewers often and has a fast growing following, and yet lesser streamers are featured and can have their own fanclub. And it probably isnt a coincidence or a mistake by the TL staff.

Those who view Steve's stream on a regular basis are well aware of his recent relationship with the TL elite. If i remember it correctly I think he said himself that he wouldnt get featured even if he won a major us sc2 tournament. Seeing how every thread that mentions him here is killed at birth, im beginning to think he might be right.

This campaign against him by the TL elite is getting obvious and quite laughable actually.
que sera sera
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 16:32:20
January 10 2011 12:20 GMT
#407
There is no campaign. Period. Laughable is what you are suggesting. Most of us have simply no idea who Destiny is. If he places well in tournaments (= top player) his stream will get featured. It's very very simple.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
hallihg
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland61 Posts
January 10 2011 13:11 GMT
#408
Well some of you admins have commented on the quality on his stream, his antics when he goes live and some have admitted that destiny is "in the doghouse", so its mainly you who doesnt seem to know who he is good sir.
que sera sera
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 10 2011 13:11 GMT
#409
On January 10 2011 16:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
No one came here to ask, so I guess I will. I pmed Zatic but I figured I should of just posted it here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182538
The Steven Bonnell fanclub was closed with the reasoning being that hes not a "top" player when hes a 3300 ranked Zerg and 58th on the NA master rank. He also consistently streams with 600+ viewers if that has any bearing on him being popular enough for a fan club. His stream quality is great and commentary is hilarious.

Oh and on the master list he is higher ranked than spades, who has a fanclub.

Except Spades actually has achievements..
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hallihg
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland61 Posts
January 10 2011 13:23 GMT
#410
Can someone please show us, the many Destiny viewers and fans, written requirements to become a featured streamer, and the amount of achievements one needs to achieve that status?
que sera sera
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
January 10 2011 13:33 GMT
#411
On January 10 2011 22:23 hallihg wrote:
Can someone please show us, the many Destiny viewers and fans, written requirements to become a featured streamer, and the amount of achievements one needs to achieve that status?

Nope, sorry. It's always a case by case decision.

Anyway this place is about closed threads and your questions has been sufficiently answered I believe.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 13:59:03
January 10 2011 13:58 GMT
#412
On January 10 2011 20:44 hallihg wrote:
I created that Steve Bonell II fanclub thread, and as viewers can see, it was taken down because appearantly Destiny isnt well known / well respected enough by TL standards.

Then I decided to create a thread to discuss non featured streamers, who obviously arent well known enough, or respected, to become featured streamers.

But that thread was also taken down, because usually streamers are supposed to have their own thread.

I PM'ed Jibba about these thread takedowns and I got a very short word answer that can barely be called an explanation, just that Destiny should be discussed in destiny thread, which is the only thread concerning Steve Bonnell that hasnt been taken down (yet).

It doesnt make sense that Steve gets around 1000 viewers often and has a fast growing following, and yet lesser streamers are featured and can have their own fanclub. And it probably isnt a coincidence or a mistake by the TL staff.

Those who view Steve's stream on a regular basis are well aware of his recent relationship with the TL elite. If i remember it correctly I think he said himself that he wouldnt get featured even if he won a major us sc2 tournament. Seeing how every thread that mentions him here is killed at birth, im beginning to think he might be right.

This campaign against him by the TL elite is getting obvious and quite laughable actually.

Destiny told his fans to spam our forum. He barely dodged a permanent ban for that and is less than 2 weeks off a stream ban. The person he was in that little spat with has been permanently removed from the site, so consider the relative punishments.

Spades competes in tournaments and does fairly well. Destiny is just a streamer and while he has become more helpful, comparing him to competitive gamers based on his Blizzard ranking is ridiculous. When Destiny wins a major tournament, I'll absolutely look into having him featured.

Featured streamers are judged on a balance of audio/video quality, skill, helpfulness and demeanor. He's not the only "top player" to be excluded because they don't meet all of those.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
hallihg
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland61 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 14:29:52
January 10 2011 14:27 GMT
#413
On January 10 2011 22:58 Jibba wrote:
When Destiny wins a major tournament, I'll absolutely look into having him featured.

.


Thanks for a longer response this time. It's interesting to see the standards have been raised so significantly. But good to see that you'll look into it.

But why are you blocking the creation of his fanclub for instance?
que sera sera
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 10 2011 15:44 GMT
#414
For the same reason we would block a fan club for a random guy. He might be a big deal to you, but he isn't renowned for any wins in particular. Again, once he shows some tournament performance that will change pretty quickly.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 10 2011 18:53 GMT
#415
I could understand "tournament performance" relating to him becoming featured, and he has won and placed well in many tournaments. I guess just not ones you consider important. However a fanclub and featured status are completely different. Destiny has a big fan following and essentially wouldn't a fanclub be alright as long as there is enough people who want it? Its about being a fan not the feats one has accomplished. When Destiny streams he gets more viewers then most featured people and averages around 700+. I don't see why you would want to punish his fans because he has done some dumb stuff in the past. Its quite simple, if he ever gets to the point of you perm banning him then close his fan club as well. I think that is more than reasonable. Your arguments make sense for why you won't FEATURE him, but not for why you won't allow a fanclub. You are essentially putting the same requirements for a fanclub and a featured stream, which is roughly equivalent to putting the same requirement for someone to join the New York Yankees and for someone to create a fan page for the Yankees.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24667 Posts
January 10 2011 20:34 GMT
#416
On January 11 2011 03:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Its about being a fan not the feats one has accomplished.

If you and many other members are a fan of bacon you can't make a bacon fanclub either.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
January 10 2011 21:01 GMT
#417
We don't allow a fan club thread for a streamer who has urged his viewers to spam our forums. I think that is pretty fair.
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 21:20:03
January 10 2011 21:18 GMT
#418
Hasn't Day[9] done that though? How many times have there been threads created thanks to something Day[9] said? Such as Day 9 daily #50?

Also, baller has a fan club. While I definitely think he is deserving of it, it's because of his quotes on TL, and has nothing to do with his ability in SC..... Yet someone who is contributing with a quality SC stream can't have one?

While I totally understand about the featured stream part, it's a pretty messy situation with regards to the fan club issue..... I don't really see either side as being right or wrong here.....

I impuslively hit "post", because I felt that I needed to get this out there, yet if I sat around and thought about it more, I'd probably end up not posting it.....
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
January 10 2011 21:41 GMT
#419
I'm nearly 100% sure Day[9] has never encouraged people to spam our forums.
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CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
January 10 2011 21:48 GMT
#420
I was reading this discussion, and I had a brilliant idea for all of you Destiny fans. Don't feel bad for not thinking of it first, ideas are hard, I know.
+ Show Spoiler [BRILLIANT IDEA] +
Make a whole new forum for your homoerotic crush favorite streamer. A single thread in a larger forum is obviously not majestic enough to contain your heart-throbbing love for Destiny. What do you need? An entire forum. Imagine, a forum filled with happy, starcraft-loving people overflowing with warmth, sexual arousal, and excitement. You can discuss past streams, talk about current streams, and you can have different threads to do it in. Sometimes my brilliance astonishes me (Full disclosure: this was not one of those times). "But how do I host this forum", I hear you asking me. Like ancient pilgrims seeking answers, we travel to the Oracle at Delphi, Google.

[image loading]
Notice that teamliquid.net is not present among the results.


Wow, this is looking great! You have dozens of websites just begging for your precious internet traffic, and waiting for you to set up a warm, loving Destiny fan forum. The first link looks pretty good, so let's go!

[image loading]
Those 'Most Active forums' along the bottom right look pretty good, don't they? But don't go registering for those forums yet, you've got to finish reading this post first. Don't worry, they'll still be there when you finish.


Well that looks pretty good, doesn't it? There's only one thing left to do. You have to go all the way, and show the world your lust fanboyism for Destiny. Click the button. Do it.

[image loading]
Use those starcraft clicking skillz. Work that mouse button like a pro.


You can create a forum all by yourself, and you don't even need your mom's permission. Click the 'Create a free forum' button, and then click through a few options, and you can get to here:

[image loading]


And this, dear readers, is where I leave you. I trust that you will carry on in my stead. I wish you the best of luck, and a fun-loving forum. Free of oppressive pressure of teamliquid élite, you can expand your forum like an ideal gas, until destiny himself registers and posts on your forum.
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