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US Politics thread has become disappointing lately.
For the longest time this thread kept me abreast of the breaking stories happening each day. Banning the people who post such things (sometimes FOR posting those things) is counter to a productive and insightful thread, IMO. Who does it hurt to have the thread be partially a news feed? Adding requirements to posting them has obviously had a chilling effect.
Obviously I can't condemn mods for temp banning people who break decorum rules. Still, it feels like the leash has gotten a little too tight, as evidenced by how the discussion has slowed to a crawl.
Just my 2cp.
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if people wnated a newsfeed thread of course one could be started. and if the mods forbid it in gen forum, one could be started in the blogs section.
it doesn't hurt anyone onslaught; the mods just decided to put in rules that do nothing to make the thread better because of sloppy implementation. it's not like you can expect more from people working for free. you want quality, you gotta pay for it.
also ofc the mods have different goals for the thread than the users.
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I got to ask, what breaking stories are you refering to. If the poster himself cannot be bothered to explain its significance, to such minor breaking stories, then it shouldn't be posted in the first place. The truth is, the thread didn't need stealthblue shitposting level of articles, 95% of which either ignored or complained about its total banality. The US pol thread might be in a bit of a lul right now, and that's OK. It doesn't need to be artificially pushed to have 10 posts a day arguing about the vagarities of supreme court rulings, or some guy banging on about how Muellers probe is going nowheree or how terribly corrupt the current adminstration is.
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To be honest, posting articles is kinda time consuming. And sometimes you post one and no ones discusses it. So there was some merit to a churn of articles working through the thread.
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How can posting a link be time consuming compared to the discusion of an article? Looking at the totally pointless and banal articles that stealthblue serves up, where the majority of responces are protesting the fact that the article is of no interest whatsoever, I would say that less time and effort was taken to post such articles than it took me to write this single post.
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I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state.
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Who posts just a link? You gotta copy part of the body of the article into the thread, clean it up and post the source. We got standards.
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On April 26 2018 08:48 xDaunt wrote:
I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state.
That some conservative posters thought it was way more fun being hecklers during Obama’s administration? Not much fun when you aren’t the underdog?
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On April 26 2018 08:49 Plansix wrote:
Who posts just a link? You gotta copy part of the body of the article into the thread, clean it up and post the source. We got standards. Still less effort than responding to the post. For some reason twitter feeds never seem to show up properly on my browser, so I have to open quote, highlight the web address and right click to open link in new tab.
On April 26 2018 08:48 xDaunt wrote:
I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state.
Clearly, it is due to you and others which are consciously and not so consciously self moderating yourselves not to post there because you are smart enough to realise that you'll be instantly banned.
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On April 26 2018 08:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2018 08:48 xDaunt wrote:
I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state. That some conservative posters thought it was way more fun being hecklers during Obama’s administration? Not much fun when you aren’t the underdog?
Well, at least you understand what’s missing, notwithstanding your inexplicably poor understanding of why it’s missing.
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On April 26 2018 09:05 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2018 08:52 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2018 08:48 xDaunt wrote:
I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state. That some conservative posters thought it was way more fun being hecklers during Obama’s administration? Not much fun when you aren’t the underdog? Well, at least you understand what’s missing, notwithstanding your inexplicably poor understanding of why it’s missing.
Is it that conservative posters are attempting to gain leverage over how the thread is moderated by abstaining and pointing out the decreased thread activity?
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On April 26 2018 09:39 Azuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2018 09:05 xDaunt wrote:On April 26 2018 08:52 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2018 08:48 xDaunt wrote:
I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state. That some conservative posters thought it was way more fun being hecklers during Obama’s administration? Not much fun when you aren’t the underdog? Well, at least you understand what’s missing, notwithstanding your inexplicably poor understanding of why it’s missing. Is it that conservative posters are attempting to gain leverage over how the thread is moderated by abstaining and pointing out the decreased thread activity?
Have you considered that maybe some individuals just aren’t interested in posting anymore?
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On April 26 2018 09:39 Azuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2018 09:05 xDaunt wrote:On April 26 2018 08:52 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2018 08:48 xDaunt wrote:
I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state. That some conservative posters thought it was way more fun being hecklers during Obama’s administration? Not much fun when you aren’t the underdog? Well, at least you understand what’s missing, notwithstanding your inexplicably poor understanding of why it’s missing. Is it that conservative posters are attempting to gain leverage over how the thread is moderated by abstaining and pointing out the decreased thread activity?
Just out of curiosity, did you really expect anyone to dignify this with a real response?
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On April 26 2018 09:05 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2018 08:52 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2018 08:48 xDaunt wrote:
I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state. That some conservative posters thought it was way more fun being hecklers during Obama’s administration? Not much fun when you aren’t the underdog? Well, at least you understand what’s missing, notwithstanding your inexplicably poor understanding of why it’s missing.
Nothing really changed except Danglars got a temp ban for self righteous passive aggressive posting habits. The dude who says moderators are biased, but rushes to praise them every time they ban a poster he didn’t like. You all can post in the thread if you want. You choose not to because it’s easier to believe the mods are biased than to just admit Danglars got off on baiting people.
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On April 26 2018 09:46 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2018 09:39 Azuzu wrote:On April 26 2018 09:05 xDaunt wrote:On April 26 2018 08:52 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2018 08:48 xDaunt wrote:
I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state. That some conservative posters thought it was way more fun being hecklers during Obama’s administration? Not much fun when you aren’t the underdog? Well, at least you understand what’s missing, notwithstanding your inexplicably poor understanding of why it’s missing. Is it that conservative posters are attempting to gain leverage over how the thread is moderated by abstaining and pointing out the decreased thread activity? Just out of curiosity, did you really expect anyone to dignify this with a real response?
This is a pretty classic xDaunt response and exactly why I don't mind you not posting in the politics thread any more. Quoting a post you think is bad to snarkily tell them how bad you think their post is was a big part of why the thread usually went to shit when you showed up
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On April 26 2018 10:48 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2018 09:46 xDaunt wrote:On April 26 2018 09:39 Azuzu wrote:On April 26 2018 09:05 xDaunt wrote:On April 26 2018 08:52 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2018 08:48 xDaunt wrote:
I’m just amused that so many people think that the lack of newsbotting is the cause of the thread being in its current “slow” state. That some conservative posters thought it was way more fun being hecklers during Obama’s administration? Not much fun when you aren’t the underdog? Well, at least you understand what’s missing, notwithstanding your inexplicably poor understanding of why it’s missing. Is it that conservative posters are attempting to gain leverage over how the thread is moderated by abstaining and pointing out the decreased thread activity? Just out of curiosity, did you really expect anyone to dignify this with a real response? This is a pretty classic xDaunt response and exactly why I don't mind you not posting in the politics thread any more. Quoting a post you think is bad to snarkily tell them how bad you think their post is was a big part of why the thread usually went to shit when you showed up
I'll tell you what's classic. You jump on me instead of the original shitposter to whom I was responding. It seems rather appropriate to repost this from last month:
On March 27 2018 03:51 xDaunt wrote:
Danglars showed me what Seeker sent him. No real reason is given. I'll let him post it here if he wants to, but my interpretation of the reason for the ban is "We, the mods, are tired of being spammed with reports regarding Danglars' posting, so rather than do the right thing and take away the reporting privileges of the imbeciles who keep reporting Danglars, we're just going to ban Danglars and see what happens."
And I'll throw in this one, too.
On March 27 2018 04:53 Sermokala wrote:
This is the dumbest thing I've seen on this forum. "gee we see a lot of people disagree with you and wrongly report you so we're just going to go ahead and ban you"
Its not enough that the ban explicitly states that the reporters are wrong. Its not enough that its clearly politically targeted. Its not enough that its apparently only being done to improve the report rates of the people that he puts hours and hours into responding to despite their often rabid fascination with finding even the smallest issues and refusing to move off their sacred points they find comfort in.
I mean is this seriously the thread now? We care more about people who reported wrongly then people who deliver content?
I always worried about the day I'd have to stop posting because of my political beliefs. Never thought I'd see the day though.
You fall squarely into the categories that are in bold. The addition of posters like you to the US Politics Thread over the years -- in addition to the hemorrhaging of actual good posters -- is what has ruined that thread, and the scary part is that you're not even close to being the worst of the additions. The terrible moderation is really quite tangential.
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And again, you go into pumping the myth that it is Danglars viewpoints that got him reported, rather than he posts liked a passive aggressive asshole trying to get a rise out of people.
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On April 26 2018 11:21 Plansix wrote:
And again, you go into pumping the myth that it is Danglars viewpoints that got him reported, rather than he posts liked a passive aggressive asshole trying to get a rise out of people.
There's no "myth" to it. It's quite real. For the sake of argument, I'll go ahead and stipulate that Danglars' posting was actionable. However, if Danglar's posting is going to be the standard, then there are many leftist posters who also need to be banned.
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On April 26 2018 11:21 Plansix wrote:
And again, you go into pumping the myth that it is Danglars viewpoints that got him reported, rather than he posts liked a passive aggressive asshole trying to get a rise out of people.
They were what got him reported. The arguments around his viewpoints are the reason why hes banned. People argued with him being aggressive assholes and complained constantly about every little thing about him.
Surprise that sending a message that arguments aren't wanted and telling conservatives that they aren't wanted ended up severely lowering the amount of content the thread generates. So much that people now have to bitch and moan about adding more then a single line of text to the content they ripped from another site to do anything.
People enjoyed arguing with xdaunt Danglers and me. Don't be petty about why the thread is dieing please.
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I fall squarely into the categories of imbeciles who keep reporting Danglars? And people who reported wrongly but don't deliver content? I'd think you'd have better ammunition than that against me. I've never once reported Danglars, or anyone else in the politics thread that I can remember. I'm pretty sure I've used the report button a single-digit number of times since I joined TL.
I won't defend Azuzu's post, and I don't agree with it, but you must realize at this point how much your reputation for stirring up shit exceeds practically anybody else in that thread, and this is a perfect example of why. You snarkily suggest Azuzu should have known nobody would dignify his post with a response, and yet you did literally that by making your snarky response. Besides being self-defeating, by doing so you spotlight a post thst was already unlikely to generate a good discussion and add a venomous post of your own that will probably invite yet more venom when people respond to you. Back in the day, if I checked my subscribed threads and saw a dozen pages had popped up since I last checked in, there was a very good chance thst this exact pattern was why.
For the record, I don't mind that the thread is moving pretty slowly. I much prefer that to suddenly seeing there's 300 unread posts because somebody picked a fight and now everybody's been laying down their very very best clever put-downs for a dozen pages.
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