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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 21 2018 21:11 GMT
#2501
Looks like "the liberals" are the new" y'all on the left".
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-22 07:58:22
April 22 2018 07:58 GMT
#2502
Since someone mentioned Danglars, I am curious... Just how long is a "temporary" ban? Shouldn't it increase incrementally, sort of like a regular ban? We're going on 2.5 weeks now. I suspect that what's happened instead is that the mods simply aren't keeping track, though I could be wrong about that.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
April 22 2018 22:02 GMT
#2503
When are you two going to fight, and where will it be streamed
Sisyphus had a good gig going, the disappointment was predictable. | Visions of the Country (1978) is for when you're lost.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 22 2018 23:37 GMT
#2504
clicking on that post led me to the fact it is danglar's cake day. so happy cake day danglars!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 23 2018 00:07 GMT
#2505
On April 23 2018 07:02 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
When are you two going to fight, and where will it be streamed

When you get to 2017, you’ll find the post where he suggests a political conversation with me would likely lead to him punching me. But that’s way past 2015, and even way past the phase where I’m at least partially on board with white supremacist according to him.

On April 23 2018 08:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
clicking on that post led me to the fact it is danglar's cake day. so happy cake day danglars!

And I’m all caught up with the thread I’m been banned from these last three weeks! I kinda miss discussing the news with the shitposter horde some, but that’s definitely in the past now.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 23 2018 00:41 GMT
#2506
the gun thread quarantine is breaking
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
April 23 2018 07:53 GMT
#2507
On April 19 2018 07:52 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 07:16 iamthedave wrote:
On April 19 2018 07:01 Plansix wrote:
2017-2018 pushed a lot of folks farther into their corners. A campaign driven by grievance can’t lead to unifying the country. It just leads to more division and resentment. Trump was never interested in being president of the entire country.


Both parties are getting that way now. No sign of abatement yet, unfortunately. I'd hoped maybe Americans would be so shocked by how divisive things have gotten that they'd start cooling the jets, but it seems like things are still getting worse in that regard, looking at the stories coming out of the media.

I said back early 2017 that everyone needs to touch the stove. Republicans don’t like state employees having collective bargaining. Now they get to deal with all these strikes, which collective bargaining was used to avoid in the past. They wanted to cut state taxes, now their states are on fire. Racism is being ignored and protections are being rolled back, so they get to deal with an increasingly angry number of brown folks protesting. Gotta touch that stove.

You just wait though, the time will come for the left to touch the stove. Hard to know the shape and form, but we are that dumb too.

From an outside perspective the left already has touched the stove. Trump and his rabid fanbase didn't come from no where.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8111 Posts
April 23 2018 08:08 GMT
#2508
On April 23 2018 16:53 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 07:52 Plansix wrote:
On April 19 2018 07:16 iamthedave wrote:
On April 19 2018 07:01 Plansix wrote:
2017-2018 pushed a lot of folks farther into their corners. A campaign driven by grievance can’t lead to unifying the country. It just leads to more division and resentment. Trump was never interested in being president of the entire country.


Both parties are getting that way now. No sign of abatement yet, unfortunately. I'd hoped maybe Americans would be so shocked by how divisive things have gotten that they'd start cooling the jets, but it seems like things are still getting worse in that regard, looking at the stories coming out of the media.

I said back early 2017 that everyone needs to touch the stove. Republicans don’t like state employees having collective bargaining. Now they get to deal with all these strikes, which collective bargaining was used to avoid in the past. They wanted to cut state taxes, now their states are on fire. Racism is being ignored and protections are being rolled back, so they get to deal with an increasingly angry number of brown folks protesting. Gotta touch that stove.

You just wait though, the time will come for the left to touch the stove. Hard to know the shape and form, but we are that dumb too.

From an outside perspective the left already has touched the stove. Trump and his rabid fanbase didn't come from no where.


I'm not sure you can say they came from anywhere as much as they've always been there, they only got really rabid and showed their true colors when their racism and regressive ways suddenly became accepted by a whole party desperate for votes.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-23 10:28:17
April 23 2018 10:27 GMT
#2509
Yeh I'm sure roughly 40% of America just discovered it was ok to be rabid, racist and regressive for no real reason 2 years ago.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8111 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-23 13:21:29
April 23 2018 13:20 GMT
#2510
On April 23 2018 19:27 bo1b wrote:
Yeh I'm sure roughly 40% of America just discovered it was ok to be rabid, racist and regressive for no real reason 2 years ago.


Pretty much. It's been a really long time since you've had a presidential candidate (and now president) who embodies blatant racism and hate like this, riding on the wave of rising concerns from having a black (gasp) president for 8 years. He has with the GOP at his back made it clear that this is an acceptable way to behave, and every racist and hateful bigot who has previously kept to themselves have come out and loudly proclaim their support for him and what he stands for. Like I said, racism didn't just suddenly pop out from nowhere, they've always been there. They just haven't had this kind of support in modern history.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
April 23 2018 13:49 GMT
#2511
On April 23 2018 16:53 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 07:52 Plansix wrote:
On April 19 2018 07:16 iamthedave wrote:
On April 19 2018 07:01 Plansix wrote:
2017-2018 pushed a lot of folks farther into their corners. A campaign driven by grievance can’t lead to unifying the country. It just leads to more division and resentment. Trump was never interested in being president of the entire country.


Both parties are getting that way now. No sign of abatement yet, unfortunately. I'd hoped maybe Americans would be so shocked by how divisive things have gotten that they'd start cooling the jets, but it seems like things are still getting worse in that regard, looking at the stories coming out of the media.

I said back early 2017 that everyone needs to touch the stove. Republicans don’t like state employees having collective bargaining. Now they get to deal with all these strikes, which collective bargaining was used to avoid in the past. They wanted to cut state taxes, now their states are on fire. Racism is being ignored and protections are being rolled back, so they get to deal with an increasingly angry number of brown folks protesting. Gotta touch that stove.

You just wait though, the time will come for the left to touch the stove. Hard to know the shape and form, but we are that dumb too.

From an outside perspective the left already has touched the stove. Trump and his rabid fanbase didn't come from no where.

In what ways do you think that's happened?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 23 2018 14:18 GMT
#2512
so out of curiosity, has anyone actually talked to stealthblue (and gotten a response) post ban?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2018 21:07 GMT
#2513
On April 23 2018 19:27 bo1b wrote:
Yeh I'm sure roughly 40% of America just discovered it was ok to be rabid, racist and regressive for no real reason 2 years ago.

I’m not going to cite any stats, but I didn’t worry about White supremists marching in 2014. The number of racist might not have changed, but there are a lot more people that are just indifferent about racism.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
April 25 2018 14:18 GMT
#2514
On April 25 2018 06:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2018 19:27 bo1b wrote:
Yeh I'm sure roughly 40% of America just discovered it was ok to be rabid, racist and regressive for no real reason 2 years ago.

I’m not going to cite any stats, but I didn’t worry about White supremists marching in 2014. The number of racist might not have changed, but there are a lot more people that are just indifferent about racism.


Or at least the racists feel strongly emboldened. The neo nazis in Charlottesville openly posted that they felt the President 'had their backs' and considered his lukewarm condemnation to be supportive of their cause.

It's a powerful thing, feeling like you can go out and be honest. Ask any gay person who's come out of the closet. It's just that instead of coming out and saying you're in love with someone, you're coming out and saying loud and proud that you hate people.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 25 2018 18:05 GMT
#2515
On April 22 2018 16:58 Introvert wrote:
Since someone mentioned Danglars, I am curious... Just how long is a "temporary" ban? Shouldn't it increase incrementally, sort of like a regular ban? We're going on 2.5 weeks now. I suspect that what's happened instead is that the mods simply aren't keeping track, though I could be wrong about that.

it would indeed be nice; and better form, if there was some sort of stated plan/duration. maybe somethin glike "after one month the mods will discuss amongst themselves what the net effects were". rather than a vague and indefinite effect with no clear future plan or system in place.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
April 25 2018 19:45 GMT
#2516
On April 23 2018 23:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
so out of curiosity, has anyone actually talked to stealthblue (and gotten a response) post ban?

I also am curious about this. He clearly is still posting (and contributing, I would add) to other threads so I am curious as to what is being accomplished with his ongoing temp ban from UPMT
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15713 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-25 19:56:59
April 25 2018 19:56 GMT
#2517
This has been brought up a few times in the US pol thread, so I figured I'd more formally address it here.

Are mods open to trying out a period of time where we revert the "no posting articles without analysis" rule? There have been numerous times I have just said "eh, fuck it", instead of posting an article in the thread. It doesn't make me put the effort into adding analysis. It just makes me not post articles. This is mostly a failure of my own, but I think it is a failure shared by a lot of members of the thread. In my eyes, with all the other rules being strictly followed, there is less reason to have the analysis requirement for posting articles. I think it would be worth seeing how the thread does with that requirement removed. I think a lot of discussion has been lost by adding this requirement.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 25 2018 20:04 GMT
#2518
Not posting articles being the alternative to an asinine string of tweets or pointless pieces is a definite plus. One of the few highly correct decisions, long overdue.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15713 Posts
April 25 2018 20:11 GMT
#2519
On April 26 2018 05:04 LegalLord wrote:
Not posting articles being the alternative to an asinine string of tweets or pointless pieces is a definite plus. One of the few highly correct decisions, long overdue.

I agree there was certainly a wide range of content quality, but the rule does not selectively filter out those. It just ends up filtering out everything. We are still allowed to post a string of Trump tweets. We are just asked to give our views on the Tweets before hitting the post button. This feels like a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater or however that phrase goes. Yeah, we got rid of some bullshit like "government spends billions on war but not UBI wtf????", but we also got rid of basically everything non-major.

I see your point. But I imagine it is possible to find an inbetween.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 25 2018 21:00 GMT
#2520
I would say that the no posting articles without analysis policy has an overall positive effect. I would imagine that any post giving out a truly major breaking piece of news would not warned or banned. As it is nothing has occured in the intervening period that doesn't require at the least some thoughts to frame its discussion.
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