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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 09:18:42
August 02 2013 09:18 GMT
#1
May I formally request that the Balance Discussion Thread doesn't allow "this is what BW has that SC2 doesn't" anymore? It's not a balance discussion by any means, it doesn't address SC2 balance at all. It's just people whining about how much better BW was than SC2.

If it's about design issues then there should be a seperate thread for it. I for one would love to go to the balance thread and read discussions about actual balance issues and the current state of the game instead of "Protoss is poorly designed because of forcefield"
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saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
August 02 2013 11:31 GMT
#2
On August 02 2013 18:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
May I formally request that the Balance Discussion Thread doesn't allow "this is what BW has that SC2 doesn't" anymore? It's not a balance discussion by any means, it doesn't address SC2 balance at all. It's just people whining about how much better BW was than SC2.

If it's about design issues then there should be a seperate thread for it. I for one would love to go to the balance thread and read discussions about actual balance issues and the current state of the game instead of "Protoss is poorly designed because of forcefield"


Since balance and design are closely related I don't know how can you sperate them.

For example, helbats were fine balance-wise but were causing problems in TvT. Can it be discussed in balance thread?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25237 Posts
August 02 2013 11:32 GMT
#3
Seconded, there's far too much of it, but I do like it. Separate place would be nice
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
August 02 2013 12:24 GMT
#4
Thirded.
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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
August 02 2013 14:57 GMT
#5
I think that it seems fair to want to get rid of the BW vs Sc2 stuff. I know that its a thread thats sort of supposed to have loose moderation, but it gets quite annoying.
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qotsager
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany585 Posts
August 02 2013 17:02 GMT
#6
i support this.
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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 02 2013 18:46 GMT
#7
On August 02 2013 20:31 saddaromma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 18:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
May I formally request that the Balance Discussion Thread doesn't allow "this is what BW has that SC2 doesn't" anymore? It's not a balance discussion by any means, it doesn't address SC2 balance at all. It's just people whining about how much better BW was than SC2.

If it's about design issues then there should be a seperate thread for it. I for one would love to go to the balance thread and read discussions about actual balance issues and the current state of the game instead of "Protoss is poorly designed because of forcefield"


Since balance and design are closely related I don't know how can you sperate them.

For example, helbats were fine balance-wise but were causing problems in TvT. Can it be discussed in balance thread?

As you said yourself this has got nothing to do with balance. It is purely about design.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25237 Posts
August 04 2013 01:18 GMT
#8
I draw a distinction here between 'BW vs SC2' and 'design vs balance' I guess.

While there's a lot of overlap, we're not advocating a complete expungence of discussion related to Brood War abilities, or Brood War units.

We're just advocating a drawing of the line between fundamental game design of SC2, and things that are more couched in the state of the game as it is, or suggestions that are realistically implementable.

It's a source of much pointless derailing, but equally the discussion is interesting a lot of the time. It would be nice to split them so the design issues don't overlap and derail so frequently, but equally that they have a place they can be expressed.
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
August 06 2013 21:10 GMT
#9
On August 02 2013 20:31 saddaromma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 18:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
May I formally request that the Balance Discussion Thread doesn't allow "this is what BW has that SC2 doesn't" anymore? It's not a balance discussion by any means, it doesn't address SC2 balance at all. It's just people whining about how much better BW was than SC2.

If it's about design issues then there should be a seperate thread for it. I for one would love to go to the balance thread and read discussions about actual balance issues and the current state of the game instead of "Protoss is poorly designed because of forcefield"


Since balance and design are closely related I don't know how can you sperate them.

For example, helbats were fine balance-wise but were causing problems in TvT. Can it be discussed in balance thread?

the rules would be simple and clear: stick to the units that are already in the game at this very moment and don't add any new units to the game. The thread should be about the current status of the game (and how to improve that) and not "add lurkers!! we luv em!!111"
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 06 2013 22:15 GMT
#10
I'm all for that. It's not touching balance if your whole purpose is to say how much you dislike SC2 and how it is played.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25237 Posts
August 06 2013 23:58 GMT
#11
Any chance of some admin feedback as to the feasibility or desirability of this? The balance thread is bad enough when we're dealing with things to do with the current build of the game, never mind the whole 'redesign the whole thing'
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 07 2013 01:41 GMT
#12
We aren't going to do anything about this.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25237 Posts
August 07 2013 01:42 GMT
#13
Cheers for the response
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
August 07 2013 07:04 GMT
#14
I read Plexa's response as: make the thread yourself, and hope it works.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 07 2013 07:08 GMT
#15
Well, that's what I'd do but I doubt we can take all the people discussing design issues and just put them in another thread.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 07 2013 07:15 GMT
#16
Please don't make a designated design sc2 thread. We really dont want that content here.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 07 2013 07:22 GMT
#17
Alright, fair enough
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