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KAmaKAsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland210 Posts
March 08 2012 12:33 GMT
#1

Teamliquid is a Starcraft website so I dont really understand why dota2 and LoL are featured often on the site, also why aren't other esports games such as cs 1.6 and quake featured when dota and LoL are?
Graviton
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 12:36:05
March 08 2012 12:34 GMT
#2
This dosen't belong here, use Website Feedback:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=7
You can also prevent them from appearing in your account settings.
pycho
Profile Joined January 2011
Paraguay372 Posts
March 08 2012 12:34 GMT
#3
if you dont like it you can go to your profile and make it so it will not show dota/lol streams for you
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
March 08 2012 12:35 GMT
#4
On March 08 2012 21:33 KAmaKAsa wrote:

Teamliquid is a Starcraft website so I dont really understand why dota2 and LoL are featured often on the site, also why aren't other esports games such as cs 1.6 and quake featured when dota and LoL are?


y u mad?

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Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
March 08 2012 12:35 GMT
#5
Probably because Teamliquid also supports other E-sports titles.
I don't know how they make the selection tho.
Nekrowizard
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark4 Posts
March 08 2012 12:36 GMT
#6
This is the Starcraft 2 forum section, so I don't really understand why you are making a topic about dota and lol here.
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
March 08 2012 12:37 GMT
#7
On March 08 2012 21:34 pycho wrote:
if you dont like it you can go to your profile and make it so it will not show dota/lol streams for you


I agree with this, also some poeple on the site like LoL and Dota2, and some streamers will randomly stream Dota2 or LoL even though they're pro Sc2 players.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
March 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#8
you can customize the streams to not show them
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DaPyro
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Serbia131 Posts
March 08 2012 12:38 GMT
#9
They need to feature Testie already... Seriously...
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StuartLove
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany267 Posts
March 08 2012 12:39 GMT
#10
/+1 its really annoying to see so many random streams, TL should stay as a SC forum.

its really annoying check the streamlist and realise that there are many dota2/lol and other games between.
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
March 08 2012 12:40 GMT
#11
I dont mind personally, a lot of the time its SC2 players streaming it, like CatZ now.
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Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
March 08 2012 12:41 GMT
#12
On March 08 2012 21:38 DaPyro wrote:
They need to feature Testie already... Seriously...


I don't think he will get featured, back when he played bw, he qualified for TSL 2 (iirc), but then decided he couldn't be bothered to play, and was banned as a result.
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BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
March 08 2012 12:41 GMT
#13
If they're gonna stream DotA/LoL they should at least stream CS/WC3/FIFA if theyre supporting esports. +1

IMO, DotA and LoL shouldn't even be esports xD
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
March 08 2012 12:42 GMT
#14
Because TL has large and fairly popular Dota2 and LoL boards.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
March 08 2012 12:43 GMT
#15
yeah, curious about the reasonings as well

inb4 TL.Dota2 squad? ^_^
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
March 08 2012 12:44 GMT
#16
this should really be in the website feedback forum.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
March 08 2012 12:44 GMT
#17
On March 08 2012 21:41 BushidoSnipr wrote:
If they're gonna stream DotA/LoL they should at least stream CS/WC3/FIFA if theyre supporting esports. +1

IMO, DotA and LoL shouldn't even be esports xD


There's currently 109323 reasons why you are wrong
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
March 08 2012 12:45 GMT
#18
On March 08 2012 21:38 Grumbels wrote:
you can customize the streams to not show them

On March 08 2012 21:34 pycho wrote:
if you dont like it you can go to your profile and make it so it will not show dota/lol streams for you

Do this if it bothers you
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 08 2012 12:46 GMT
#19
moved to website feedback
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 12:55:58
March 08 2012 12:48 GMT
#20
On March 08 2012 21:33 KAmaKAsa wrote:

Teamliquid is a Starcraft website so I dont really understand why dota2 and LoL are featured often on the site, also why aren't other esports games such as cs 1.6 and quake featured when dota and LoL are?


Probably because most TL members including admins/staff/oldies play more LoL and Dota and other games than Starcraft 2 ( or at least as much as)

And also TL is open-minded about what games they can support or not. Anything can get featured. Ng5 used to be featured playing chess. RuN used to be featured as well. Are there cs and quake streamers even in here?

And anyone can customize their own streams list. So if it bothers you that much, you don't have to see them.
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
March 08 2012 13:04 GMT
#21
because dota is for team esports what sc2 is for singleplayer esports.

- where the fps and fighting communities which are the other relevant esports are niche esports by comparison.-

because a huge amount of tl members play and follow the dota-genre scene(s).

because a lot of the tl staff is very interested in the games.

because many sc players/casters are playing these games and stream them.

because featuring a game that is in beta with not even half of it total real community and competitors being truely involved in it that gives you 100+ page finals threads in a subsection of a subsection of a site is good for business.

it has to be understood that TL is no longer merely a starcraft site, it is a site that is at the forefront of the new business and social model that is esports, and as such it needs to be open and stay in touch with its core which is the community of gamers that are passionate about seeing their favorite games turn into something bigger; and these gamers, us, don't play only starcraft.
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blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
March 08 2012 13:38 GMT
#22
On March 08 2012 22:04 anatem wrote:
it has to be understood that TL is no longer merely a starcraft site, it is a site that is at the forefront of the new business and social model that is esports, and as such it needs to be open and stay in touch with its core which is the community of gamers that are passionate about seeing their favorite games turn into something bigger; and these gamers, us, don't play only starcraft.

"Starcraft progaming news . community . team". That's what TL is, it says so in the header. If you have other sources, please tell us.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 13:57:51
March 08 2012 13:43 GMT
#23
On March 08 2012 22:38 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 22:04 anatem wrote:
it has to be understood that TL is no longer merely a starcraft site, it is a site that is at the forefront of the new business and social model that is esports, and as such it needs to be open and stay in touch with its core which is the community of gamers that are passionate about seeing their favorite games turn into something bigger; and these gamers, us, don't play only starcraft.

"Starcraft progaming news . community . team". That's what TL is, it says so in the header. If you have other sources, please tell us.

What, so TL can't make small branchings out into other games, simply because the header at the top of the website has the word "Starcraft" in it?

My two cents: Dota 2 is an awesome spectator sport. I'd never played a match in my life but I fell in love after watching a single replay. No commentary, just the game. That's not something that's ever happened to me when watching something that is meant to be an esport. Not with Quake Live, not with LoL, and not with HoN. There's just something about Dota 2. It's a Valve game, man. It's a game where one of the top priorities, maybe the top priority from a design standpoint, is competitive balance.

Don't be surprised, then, if TL starts to aggressively highlight Dota 2 content more and more.
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blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 13:52:26
March 08 2012 13:51 GMT
#24
On March 08 2012 22:43 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 22:38 blackone wrote:
On March 08 2012 22:04 anatem wrote:
it has to be understood that TL is no longer merely a starcraft site, it is a site that is at the forefront of the new business and social model that is esports, and as such it needs to be open and stay in touch with its core which is the community of gamers that are passionate about seeing their favorite games turn into something bigger; and these gamers, us, don't play only starcraft.

"Starcraft progaming news . community . team". That's what TL is, it says so in the header. If you have other sources, please tell us.

What, so TL can't make small branchings out into other games, simply because the header at the top of the website has the word "Starcraft" in it?

What? That's not what I said. I was responding to "TL is no longer a starcraft site". anatem said that TL is now a general esports business website, which I don't think it is.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 14:05:12
March 08 2012 14:02 GMT
#25
On March 08 2012 22:51 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 22:43 motbob wrote:
On March 08 2012 22:38 blackone wrote:
On March 08 2012 22:04 anatem wrote:
it has to be understood that TL is no longer merely a starcraft site, it is a site that is at the forefront of the new business and social model that is esports, and as such it needs to be open and stay in touch with its core which is the community of gamers that are passionate about seeing their favorite games turn into something bigger; and these gamers, us, don't play only starcraft.

"Starcraft progaming news . community . team". That's what TL is, it says so in the header. If you have other sources, please tell us.

What, so TL can't make small branchings out into other games, simply because the header at the top of the website has the word "Starcraft" in it?

What? That's not what I said. I was responding to "TL is no longer a starcraft site". anatem said that TL is now a general esports business website, which I don't think it is.

I was snippy, sorry. But I think anatem is on to something. Saying that TL is "at the forefront of the new business and social model that is esports" is maybe overstating things, but TL is certainly looking for ways to serve its userbase that don't have to do with SC2. The crossover between SC2 watchers and Dota 2 watchers is pretty sizable at the moment and I think it's going to grow immensely as the Dota 2 scene matures and the game heads towards release.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
March 08 2012 14:54 GMT
#26
with the way Dota and LoL are getting really big on TL, could there be a chance that a new sister site be formed for them?
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 22:55:10
March 08 2012 22:54 GMT
#27
On March 08 2012 22:43 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 22:38 blackone wrote:
On March 08 2012 22:04 anatem wrote:
it has to be understood that TL is no longer merely a starcraft site, it is a site that is at the forefront of the new business and social model that is esports, and as such it needs to be open and stay in touch with its core which is the community of gamers that are passionate about seeing their favorite games turn into something bigger; and these gamers, us, don't play only starcraft.

"Starcraft progaming news . community . team". That's what TL is, it says so in the header. If you have other sources, please tell us.

What, so TL can't make small branchings out into other games, simply because the header at the top of the website has the word "Starcraft" in it?

My two cents: Dota 2 is an awesome spectator sport. I'd never played a match in my life but I fell in love after watching a single replay. No commentary, just the game. That's not something that's ever happened to me when watching something that is meant to be an esport. Not with Quake Live, not with LoL, and not with HoN. There's just something about Dota 2. It's a Valve game, man. It's a game where one of the top priorities, maybe the top priority from a design standpoint, is competitive balance.

Don't be surprised, then, if TL starts to aggressively highlight Dota 2 content more and more.


I will not be surprised, and I will love you guys more for it! <3
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
March 09 2012 00:29 GMT
#28
On March 08 2012 22:43 motbob wrote:
My two cents: Dota 2 is an awesome spectator sport. I'd never played a match in my life but I fell in love after watching a single replay. No commentary, just the game. That's not something that's ever happened to me when watching something that is meant to be an esport. Not with Quake Live, not with LoL, and not with HoN. There's just something about Dota 2. It's a Valve game, man. It's a game where one of the top priorities, maybe the top priority from a design standpoint, is competitive balance.

Don't be surprised, then, if TL starts to aggressively highlight Dota 2 content more and more.

My two cents: MOBAs are by far the most boring games I have ever seen and there are very few esports sites that haven't made them their top priority so I'd like TL to stay a starcraft site, especially since Dota is to Starcraft like the NFL is to Chess in terms of popularity. That's just my personal opinion though.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
March 09 2012 01:29 GMT
#29
On March 09 2012 09:29 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 22:43 motbob wrote:
My two cents: Dota 2 is an awesome spectator sport. I'd never played a match in my life but I fell in love after watching a single replay. No commentary, just the game. That's not something that's ever happened to me when watching something that is meant to be an esport. Not with Quake Live, not with LoL, and not with HoN. There's just something about Dota 2. It's a Valve game, man. It's a game where one of the top priorities, maybe the top priority from a design standpoint, is competitive balance.

Don't be surprised, then, if TL starts to aggressively highlight Dota 2 content more and more.

My two cents: MOBAs are by far the most boring games I have ever seen and there are very few esports sites that haven't made them their top priority so I'd like TL to stay a starcraft site, especially since Dota is to Starcraft like the NFL is to Chess in terms of popularity. That's just my personal opinion though.

i really doubt dota or lol will become tl's top priority. tl was built on a fountain of starcraft and continues that way O.o
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 09 2012 15:06 GMT
#30
On March 08 2012 21:38 DaPyro wrote:
They need to feature Testie already... Seriously...


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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
March 09 2012 15:41 GMT
#31
Since they have an option to hide those streams, I don't see the issue.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 09 2012 19:34 GMT
#32
Why not? Why should Team Liquid limit itself in all areas to be StarCraft. Yeah, it's StarCraft first, but communities formed through TL on other games.

To ignore them is to deny TL's community feature.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14056 Posts
March 09 2012 20:33 GMT
#33
the lol board had a team that competed at a high level a bit more then a year ago. they called themselves team liquid and when iem was in china the casters used the tl thread as a source for questions beacuse of the chinese censorship on other sites. The communities are here and it would make sense for the calender to reflect it. I wouldn't be surprised to see news items written by dota or lol community members. tobi wan is god teir casting even by sc2 standards.

As illustrated by the recent incident with mlg the calender and by proxy the sidebar is a resource to team liquids community. The fact is that it services the lol and dota boards doesn't change anything about it.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
March 09 2012 20:45 GMT
#34
On March 09 2012 10:29 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:29 blackone wrote:
On March 08 2012 22:43 motbob wrote:
My two cents: Dota 2 is an awesome spectator sport. I'd never played a match in my life but I fell in love after watching a single replay. No commentary, just the game. That's not something that's ever happened to me when watching something that is meant to be an esport. Not with Quake Live, not with LoL, and not with HoN. There's just something about Dota 2. It's a Valve game, man. It's a game where one of the top priorities, maybe the top priority from a design standpoint, is competitive balance.

Don't be surprised, then, if TL starts to aggressively highlight Dota 2 content more and more.

My two cents: MOBAs are by far the most boring games I have ever seen and there are very few esports sites that haven't made them their top priority so I'd like TL to stay a starcraft site, especially since Dota is to Starcraft like the NFL is to Chess in terms of popularity. That's just my personal opinion though.

i really doubt dota or lol will become tl's top priority. tl was built on a fountain of starcraft and continues that way O.o


who knows...
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
March 10 2012 05:16 GMT
#35
I think its primarily because there are very strong sub forums for both Dota and LoL and people here enjoy playing that game as well as sc:bw/sc2
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Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
March 10 2012 08:05 GMT
#36
Time for TL to implement quad view for some users. With options to switch between, tri view, split screen or full screen.
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
March 10 2012 08:14 GMT
#37
On March 09 2012 10:29 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:29 blackone wrote:
On March 08 2012 22:43 motbob wrote:
My two cents: Dota 2 is an awesome spectator sport. I'd never played a match in my life but I fell in love after watching a single replay. No commentary, just the game. That's not something that's ever happened to me when watching something that is meant to be an esport. Not with Quake Live, not with LoL, and not with HoN. There's just something about Dota 2. It's a Valve game, man. It's a game where one of the top priorities, maybe the top priority from a design standpoint, is competitive balance.

Don't be surprised, then, if TL starts to aggressively highlight Dota 2 content more and more.

My two cents: MOBAs are by far the most boring games I have ever seen and there are very few esports sites that haven't made them their top priority so I'd like TL to stay a starcraft site, especially since Dota is to Starcraft like the NFL is to Chess in terms of popularity. That's just my personal opinion though.

i really doubt dota or lol will become tl's top priority. tl was built on a fountain of starcraft and continues that way O.o


Just need bw to finally die and heart of the swarm to be complete shit and it could happen very quickly ;p
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
March 10 2012 16:04 GMT
#38
On March 08 2012 21:41 BushidoSnipr wrote:
If they're gonna stream DotA/LoL they should at least stream CS/WC3/FIFA if theyre supporting esports. +1

IMO, DotA and LoL shouldn't even be esports xD


Agree! Dont like moba games what so ever! I can truly say that I will never tune in to a stream showing moba games.
It says "Starcraft 2 and Brood War Pro Gaming News" on the tab.. So imo it should only be sc2 and bw stuff. And like you said, if they want to show other esports as well, show the good ones! >o<''

blarhg, pisses me off when LoL gets any attention. (free to play, no skill needed to be slightly good at it = popular) I want esports to be what it was 10 yrs ago.. sad panda. I'll go be emo somewhere now!...
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14056 Posts
March 10 2012 16:34 GMT
#39
Its hard to argue with over 200k people on whats an esport or not.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
March 11 2012 02:41 GMT
#40
On March 10 2012 00:41 Whole wrote:
Since they have an option to hide those streams, I don't see the issue.


i did not know that you could block all the lol and dota streams, thanks a ton.

JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
March 11 2012 04:16 GMT
#41
On March 11 2012 01:04 blae000 wrote:
blarhg, pisses me off when LoL gets any attention. (free to play, no skill needed to be slightly good at it = popular) I want esports to be what it was 10 yrs ago.. sad panda. I'll go be emo somewhere now!...



Are you implying there's no difference in player skill throughout the game?

At the same time you're saying that a free to play business model automatically makes a game bad? Cmon man, if a company can make something work without the initial 60 dollar price tag attached it's great for the consumer who then gets to decide whether to spend money directly into the game.


On topic. TL has a great community so I appreciate the coverage of other tournaments and games. It allows players to stay within a group of people and have decent forum discussions. Most forums do not uphold posting standards and most communities are not this awesome.

firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 05:00:58
March 11 2012 04:59 GMT
#42
It is not all about starcraft mate. This is a global organisation that is open minded to any game. It brings all gamers together, we are not just isolated to SC1-2


and @ blae000, wtf? really? that sort of stuff just makes me sick with how people could be so ignorant of other games. If you dont like it, please do not post
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blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 13:24:09
March 11 2012 13:18 GMT
#43
On March 11 2012 13:16 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 01:04 blae000 wrote:
blarhg, pisses me off when LoL gets any attention. (free to play, no skill needed to be slightly good at it = popular) I want esports to be what it was 10 yrs ago.. sad panda. I'll go be emo somewhere now!...


At the same time you're saying that a free to play business model automatically makes a game bad?

No, he's saying it automatically makes a game popular. That's why Farmville is the most popular game of the last decade.

On March 11 2012 13:59 firehand101 wrote:
and @ blae000, wtf? really? that sort of stuff just makes me sick with how people could be so ignorant of other games. If you dont like it, please do not post

You're the one who's being ignorant here. It's perfectly fine to not like a game and post about that.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 13:24:24
March 11 2012 13:23 GMT
#44
---sorry, double post---
JugJug
Profile Joined November 2010
United States37 Posts
October 11 2012 01:13 GMT
#45
now that TL is covering dota 2, i wanted to ask the opposite question? why aren't more dota 2 streams featured? it seems the only time i see featured streams is when it's a sc2 pro playing dota.

i guess i understand if it's hard to set a bar for being featured at this point, but i'd love to see more dota 2 streams.

it'd also be pretty awesome if the live stream list was separated by:
SC2
DOTA2
Other

vs:
Player
Other

...or something similar.
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
October 11 2012 02:53 GMT
#46
Sc2 pro playing dota2? Uhh you mean CatZ? Because that's the only sc player I see. Last time I checked, dendi, singsing, and iceiceice are all full time dota players.
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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
October 11 2012 04:16 GMT
#47
On October 11 2012 10:13 JugJug wrote:
now that TL is covering dota 2, i wanted to ask the opposite question? why aren't more dota 2 streams featured? it seems the only time i see featured streams is when it's a sc2 pro playing dota.

i guess i understand if it's hard to set a bar for being featured at this point, but i'd love to see more dota 2 streams.

it'd also be pretty awesome if the live stream list was separated by:
SC2
DOTA2
Other

vs:
Player
Other

...or something similar.


You can go to the right sidebar settings and separate streams by game already.

The only featured Dota 2 streams are of pro Dota 2 players and most of the time only if those players make accounts on TL. There's no point to add them to the sidebar if they won't bother with the TL community.
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