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On June 03 2011 20:40 zatic wrote:As someone who reads and posts in the thread: Can one of you guys make an estimate how many active people post in there? While the thread is pretty busy I feel it's mostly the same bunch posting over and over again. I don't think they will fill a forum. Regarding: Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 07:25 Necosarius wrote:
I think this would benefit girls/runner/whatever. The TLHF thread is dominated by weightlifting atm and I think that's pretty intimidating to runners etc. There is no reason the current thread couldn't provide more diverse content. It's up to the regular posters in the thread. If someon comes in and just wants to lose weight but doesn't want to do any lifting and 10 people jump in and say he should do lifting anyway of course he won't feel welcome. If you look at the 2009 TLHF thread is used to be much more diverse.
I'd guess probably ~20 regulars, and maybe 20-30 not-so-regulars.
The thread evolved over the years, and people learned over the years that SS was in fact very effective for both losing weight and gaining muscles.
I agree that the thread is unfriendly towards newcomers (I've said this multiple times inside the thread), but this is not because the regulars are dicks, it's because the regulars know, from personal experience, SS works well.
Also, a lot of the time, someone would come in and say they'd like to lose weight and gain muscles, then proceed to say their plan of running 10K every day; it's simply not going to work and people point it out. It's unfortunate that this is (understandably) perceived as "unfriendly".
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How is it going? Any news?
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A bump, as this would be incredibly helpful for me, and I'm sure many others.
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To be honest. I think that it's dumb to have a whole subforum for 1 thread when something like music which has 1000 threads on TL isn't a subforum.
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On June 28 2011 12:39 Trezeguet wrote:
To be honest. I think that it's dumb to have a whole subforum for 1 thread when something like music which has 1000 threads on TL isn't a subforum.
Well, from my minor foray into the TLHF scene, there is demand for a subforum partly because there's currently only one thread, and I think a lot of people who want to get involved see this thread full of people talking about how much they lifted that day, and practicing diets that seem wierd to outsiders. So I honestly think TLHF would have a lot more participation if it had a subforum.
I think this subforum could have several threads. Guides to "paleo" and workout routines, as well as separate threads dedicated to weightlifting/fitness goals, and also a thread for weight loss advice. This thread has already started down the path of a weight loss advice thread, but its progress is hindered by the title and the original post.
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Zurich15313 Posts
It has been the users of the TLHF thread who turned it into a wight lifting thread. Suggest how you can make it a more diverse and inviting environment (See previous TLHF threads) yourself before turning to moderation please.
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I think the main reason TLH&F is a weightlifting thread is because there's a running thread. Give us a subforum and there will be a clearer split. At the moment I think runners should be welcome to thread and an eventual subforum for TLH&F would be great. What's the ETA?
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Zurich15313 Posts
On June 30 2011 20:09 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I think the main reason TLH&F is a weightlifting thread is because there's a running thread. Give us a subforum and there will be a clearer split. At the moment I think runners should be welcome to thread and an eventual subforum for TLH&F would be great. What's the ETA?
Huh? ETA for what?
Right now I see a number of issues the posters in the TLHF thread have created themselves and are now asking for moderation to fix them.
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What issues have people made for themselves? The only issue I really see is failing to read the OP.
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On July 01 2011 23:42 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 20:09 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I think the main reason TLH&F is a weightlifting thread is because there's a running thread. Give us a subforum and there will be a clearer split. At the moment I think runners should be welcome to thread and an eventual subforum for TLH&F would be great. What's the ETA? Huh? ETA for what? Right now I see a number of issues the posters in the TLHF thread have created themselves and are now asking for moderation to fix them.
The main problem I have with writing more than multiple topics into the OP of the thread is that there's a myriad of different topics to cover.
Currently, the OP contains things about:
barbell weightlifting
bodyweight training
nutrition
some misc stuff like sleep
If I am to diversify the training topics there is a really massive amount of material that can be covered from:
Olympic weightlifting
Sprinting (e.g. 100-400m)
Middle distance (800m-1500m)
Long distance (5k+)
A variety of sports that our users play such as rugby, basketball, ultimate, etc.
There's some swimmers,
the occasional cyclist
People who are looking to lose weight
People who are looking to gain muscle
People who are looking to tone (even though that is covered in the above two categories itself).
Various topics within weight lifting itself (splits, full body, frequency, volume, intensity, compounds,isolation,)
Nutrition itself is a very diverse topic, and thankfully most of the population is homogenous within the thread, but I suppose people will want to have their own vegetarian thread as there are people who have come in from time to time who do that.
A sub forum would be really useful given the wide range of topics that can be covered.
Also, I'm not quite sure why you're so against this when it looks like some of the other people in the moderation team are for it.
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Zurich15313 Posts
On August 08 2011 10:25 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 23:42 zatic wrote:On June 30 2011 20:09 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I think the main reason TLH&F is a weightlifting thread is because there's a running thread. Give us a subforum and there will be a clearer split. At the moment I think runners should be welcome to thread and an eventual subforum for TLH&F would be great. What's the ETA? Huh? ETA for what? Right now I see a number of issues the posters in the TLHF thread have created themselves and are now asking for moderation to fix them. Also, I'm not quite sure why you're so against this when it looks like some of the other people in the moderation team are for it.
So I am not allowed my own opinion when other mods disagree? Also I happen to be the most active mod in that thread, and I have good reasons for my opinion.
I am against Subforums generally. They should only be created if they are really really necessary, to avoid forum clutter. Here is what I wrote in the mod thread discussing this:
I am against turning this into a subforum. While the thread is huge, there are not terribly many people posting in it, it's basically the same bunch posting several times a day. Plus I don't like the idea of creating subforums for topics that are really outside of Starcraft (I didn't like the LoL forum but at least that is connected to gaming).
It would be more like creating a kpop forum. Actually the kpop thread probably has more users than the TLHF thread.
And towards the argument that a forum would diversify the topic a bit away from pure weight lifting: That should be the responsibility of the users in that thread. Currently if a new user comes in and says he just wants to lose weight and don't do any lifting and immediatly 10 of them jump on him with 15 essays why he should do lifting anyway. The old TLHF thread was much more neutral towards what kind of activities were talked about.
Again, I see a large part of the responsibility on the users of the thread, not just you as the OP. For example if everyone would stop spamming todays lifting numbers, the bro-fisting about getting huge, etc the thread would not only look more inviting for people less interested in lifting, but would generally not move so fast.
Finally, it's not like I am irrationally against a TLHF forum, as a user of the thread I definitely see the advantages. I just don't see enough reason at this point to create a new forum over other methods to improve the thread.
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hm after reading zatics reasoning I actually agree with him :/ as much as I love the TL H&F thread, I guess there is no REAL need for a separate forum.
there is just so much information that should be covered in the first post so its hard. also, most people dont even read that first post. maybe an admin announcement at the top of the thread like "please read the OP before posting" could help with this
edit: as a sidenote, your fear of a "cluttered forum" is justified, but that actually has to do with how the page is designed and not really in our control/our fault 
edit2: I think we've done a better job of welcoming people with different training mentalities recently. just obvious trolls that will get smacked down with the barbell treatment
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Zurich15313 Posts
Can you guys please draft a proposal how the forum would be structured and organized? Will there be stickies, with what kind of information? What would the policy be for new threads? What for requirements on reading existing material? Where to go for short and quick questions?
Anything you can think of that would make it easier to imagine how the forum would look like in operation. From there it will be much easier to decide if/how to implement it.
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On August 09 2011 19:07 zatic wrote:
For example if everyone would stop spamming todays lifting numbers, the bro-fisting about getting huge, etc the thread would not only look more inviting for people less interested in lifting, but would generally not move so fast.
LOL come to think of it, that does happen a lot.
Eshlow should be able to organize this 
I for one will love the subforum so everyone can start their own blogs about their nutrition and exercise.
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Just make like 3 stickies. General exercise info, General nutrition info and quick questions, quick answers.
Active people can make their own blogs, like dimsum wants. We can have a discussion thread about, SS, Nutrition, Bodybuilding, Running, Oly lifting etc. PR thread(obviously  ). Picture thread. Goal thread (Should maybe be stickied too, just for motivation). Well everything thats clamped into this one thread, which is really a lot can get a seperate thread, people dont have to search hours for answers to questions on page 321 or something. Just find the thread and look into it.
Policy on new threads? No clue to be honest. If it doesn't have an existing thread, make a new thread, i guess.
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From experience with the LoL forum, a general thread is essential to a feeling of community. As it is now, the random banter, lifting numbers, pictures of decaf, ect, ect really create this sense of community in my opinion. As I see it, creating a new forum would be nice from an information point of view; in the sense that info on nutrition, lifting, ect could all easily be found instead of sifting through 500+ pages. However, this is really the only benefit I see from creating a sub-forum. I think that most of the posting and community activity will revolve around some sort of general thread.
Again, just my two cents.
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Stickies: Threads with compiled walls of texts by Eshlow that would otherwise get lost in the huge thread that TL HF is now. Another sticky with basic strength programming, another for conditioning and maybe the third for weight loss. Or those 3 could be combined in a single thread.
As for regular posts, those could include logs where you could dish out all the brofisting/circlejerking you like.
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I agree with emperorchampion that a general thread gives the "feel" of the community. I'd very much like if those two things could be combined, a huge "Live Report" thread and an organized overview of all the resources that are available.
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The forum should obviously have a sticky, much like eshlows first post in the TLHF thread, A "form critique" thread would be good, i guess one about Paleo since so many in the thead follows it.
One (or two) threads about weight loss and weight gain. Covering what you need to know if you want to change your weight (GOMAD, Leangains, etc.)
Right now the endurance athletes are getting lost in the thread, and i feel that if we had separate threads for weightlifting(strenght) and endurance training they could have a good discussion about running, swimming, etc. without getting scared by Decafs body (lol).
A separate thread for training logs, since while it is a good read, it might confuse the new guys if ppl are talking about stuff that is done after SS.
Also a "battle report" thread will be a must.
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General thread
- random stuff on your mind, lifting numbers, running times. I assume if everyone would post an own journal thread, this subforum would be spread too thin and unenjoyable. Gives some communityfeeling
Nutrition thread (sticky)
-including supplements and stuff
Injuries/ Injury-prevention
Different threads for endurance athletes, weightlifter (incl. bodybuilding, it should be sufficient as one thread), fighters, gymnasts, etc.
I assume that would cover most of the bases. You could have additional stuff regarding sleep-problems or so, but I guess these would emerge naturally.
edit: an "Article-Discussion" thread could be handy. Where people could post studies they saw or sites they visit and discuss the stuff laid out there, kind of a quality-control for sources and a way of learning if you want to dig deeper into specifics things.
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here, ive solved it
the TLHF Forum should consist of ~13 Sticky Threads.
based on 700 pages in the current tlhf thread by the end of the year, these 13 threads will average 50 pages each over 1 year. consider that the General thread will take most of the spam, and that there will be FAR fewer repeated q&a in the new forum system, the figures will be a lot more affable in reality.
the 13 suggested sticky threads are the unique defining aspects of TLHF thread. people come into that thread asking about these individual and well-defined different topics. currently, all of these subjects are crammed into the single thread. and when something gets answered, the information is immediately lost. when someone new comes, the question gets asked again, or when someone misses the questions, or forgets...they ask again.
for example, a person does not come into tlhf asking "how do i eat properly". they say "how can i lose weight, what exercise can i do given that i cant afford a gym, how often should i run, should i be stretching, i have a bad ankle, did you see those guys on tv last tuesday?"
my system will direct that person to a thread that deals uniquely with all of his issues in a very distinct and easy-to-use manner.
my proposed threads are below, obv they are open to suggestions and fixing (some people above me say Endurance Training but i dont know how you'd break that down properly). all in all, they are pretty accurate
- General (workout posts, short questions, chit chat)
- Getting Started (interactive sticky with beginners directions)
- Losing Weight (all those people who just come here looking to diet asking the same shit)
- Gaining Weight (all those nerds on SS)
- Nutrition and Recipes (cool articles can go here)
- Stretching (essential)
- Cardio
- Powerlifting
- Bodybuilding
- Bodyweight Training & Gymnastics
- Sports (martial arts, skiing)
- Equipment (belts, chalk, shoes) + Show Spoiler +- this would be a USEFUL thread to have if utilised correctly by everyone, but i suspect people would rather post in another thread such as Cardio if they are asking about shoes, or Powerlifting if they are asking about gloves. the problem with that, of course, is they wont ever get an answer from someone who doesnt read that particular thread because he isnt interested in running even if he knows a lot about running shoes. so i might Encourage an Equipment thread and just see how it goes. there are a LOT of repeated q&a about "should i use gloves" etc that could go here and give this forum a solid purpose.
- Events (olympics, television, personal competitions)
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