On June 03 2019 06:17 JimmiC wrote: Yes you are moving the goal posts. We started talking about ratings and VC's impact now you have moved to it is not a big enough for your liking.
i am not moving the goalposts. Early in the convo here is what was stated about "Canadian Basketball".
On June 03 2019 00:02 zev318 wrote: there are numbers retired by teams with even shorter amount of time played. sometimes its not all about having played for a team for 10+ years. his effect on canadian basketball is undeniable, there's a documentary about it.
And participation in basketball in Canada has trended slightly upward from 1998 to 2010 as your source pointed out. VC deserves some credit for that increase. I don't think VC deserves all the credit though.
Youth trends from 1998 to 2010 are not the only factor to what Zev said, and they went up, maybe watch the documentary instead of trusting whatever you are making up in his head.
On June 03 2019 06:24 JimmiC wrote: Youth trends from 1998 to 2010 are not the only factor to what Zev said, and they went up, maybe watch the documentary instead of trusting whatever you are making up in his head.
I am trusting your source. CBC leans heavily left in political issues. In non-political issues the CBC is very reliable.
You stated I was moving the goalposts. I am not. I am discussing the topic Zev brought up and using your source.
On June 03 2019 06:24 JimmiC wrote: Youth trends from 1998 to 2010 are not the only factor to what Zev said, and they went up, maybe watch the documentary instead of trusting whatever you are making up in his head.
I am trusting your source.
Good then, he made a difference in youth basketball, ratings were way bigger with him, he made the all-star team 6 out of 7 and won the ROY, he brought us the furthest we ever got in the playoffs, his dunk competition performance made him a superstar not just in Canada. Glad we can now agree that VC had a big impact on basketball in Canada.
On June 03 2019 06:17 JimmiC wrote: And yes 13% x 1.25 = 16.25.... Come on man. No point discussing something you have made up.
Your arithmetic is incorrect. it is not a 25% increase.
(16-13)/13 = 23.07% increase. This 23% increase is over 13 years from 1998 to 2010. VC was around for ~6.25 seasons. One of those seasons was only 50 games long due to a strike. If your claim is that VC is responsible for what happened after he left in 2004 then he is also responsible for some of the negative stuff that happened after he left as well. If you claim VC is only responsible for everything positive and not responsible for anything negative then you should join the VC fan club.
Do you know that it was exactly 13-16? there was no decimals? I rounded it to the closest 5 because we didn't have exact numbers.
So you don't think he will get his number retired because of, occasional all-star (all but one), not enough of an increase in youth basketball, only 23%, bad viewership (um no), not available outside TO (not true) and so on.
I'm going to go with yes because of all the reasons stated, he was the first Superstar TO ever had, he made the raptors "cool", put us on the map. He is part of the reason there is so many more canadians in the NBA, NCAA and so on.
You can have a opinion that is fine, it would just be nice if the "facts" you used to back it up were actual facts and not made up in your head.
VC is going to make the HOF because basketball is full of softies that let in everyone. Retiring his number would be a move for a team with no self esteem.
welp, i just walked down to the Raptors arena to pick up a "King Of The North" hat. And, i'm tellin' ya. If Toronto wins tonight this city is going to become unglued.
On June 03 2019 07:52 cLutZ wrote: VC is going to make the HOF because basketball is full of softies that let in everyone. Retiring his number would be a move for a team with no self esteem.
On June 03 2019 07:52 cLutZ wrote: VC is going to make the HOF because basketball is full of softies that let in everyone. Retiring his number would be a move for a team with no self esteem.
He's going to get his number retired because he was the first real superstar and he is part of the reason why TO kept a team when Vancouver lost theirs. But way to basically say nothing and be negative. Super insightful, you know it is really insightful because JJR thinks it is, meaning you agree with him you don't need anything to back it up.
imo, Masai Ujiri has been far more influential to basketball in Canada than VC. He started the Raptors 905 which gives lots of Canadians a chance to be part of a pro basketball org. He built a team that is probably 2 orders of magnitude more popular than any other Raptors basketball exec. His team of people created a promotion to "nationalize" the popularity of the team with their "We The North" slogan.
Kawhi looked fine and there is lots of days between games. They just needed to hit some shots in the third and get a better whistle early. 34-14-3-1-1 they will take all day. And if his 3 was falling it would have been 40 +.
But yes we know you think they should play him in every second playoff game or something odd. And since they are not you continue to make posts about how burnt out he is while he puts up all time numbers and plays great D.
On June 03 2019 12:35 JimmiC wrote: Kawhi looked fine and there is lots of days between games. They just needed to hit some shots in the third and get a better whistle early. 34-14-3-1-1 they will take all day. And if his 3 was falling it would have been 40 +.
But yes we know you think they should play him in every second playoff game or something odd. And since they are not you continue to make posts about how burnt out he is while he puts up all time numbers and plays great D.
RIght, it was Siakam, and Gasol stinking it up from the floor that killed them. Maybe Kawhi's 3 pointer was off because hes tired, or out of sorts, but he was what he had to be.