NBA Playoffs + Finals 2019 - Page 29
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KOFgokuon
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JimmiC
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cLutZ
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Twinkle Toes
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The last 2 teams are those that were the least involved during the regular seasons, at least until the last few games when seeding was becoming important. GSW was practically just waiting for the playoffs to start, while TOR didnt even play Kawhi 2 games in a row. Question: Poll: the NBA regular season should: remain the same - 82 games (0) reduced to 70 games? (2) reduced to 60 games? (0) reduced to 50 games? (1) 3 total votes Your vote: the NBA regular season should: (Vote): remain the same - 82 games REMAIN THE SAME (advantages): - good for stats consistency - more traditional revenues to owners (tickets +) REMAIN THE SAME (disadvantages): - injuries - many games are inconsequential and dull SHORTEN (advantages) - more rest time for players, less injury - games are more meaningful SHORTEN (disadvantages) - less revenue for owners - stats consistency issue Thoughts? | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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Mississauga, a suburb of Toronto, had 20,000 people watching the Raptors game 1 final on a giant screen at the biggest shopping mall in city. On June 02 2019 19:16 Twinkle Toes wrote: while TOR didnt even play Kawhi 2 games in a row. Leonard played 2 games in a row on many occasions. He played 60 games out of 82. Its impossible to play that many games and avoid playing 2 consecutive games. | ||
zev318
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On June 02 2019 15:19 cLutZ wrote: I don't see why they should. He only played 7 years there. there are numbers retired by teams with even shorter amount of time played. sometimes its not all about having played for a team for 10+ years. his effect on canadian basketball is undeniable, there's a documentary about it. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7284952/ | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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The Canadian broadcasts show ex-Raptors that show up to playoff games. Even 1 year guys like Bizmack Biyombo show up. No VC though. He has no time for the little people... he is probably too busy getting his masters degree... so i went to the local crappy Mississauga suburban mall today... and everyone is plastered in Raptors attire. LOL. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Raptors shirt. Lowry's #7 is the most popular with Derozan's #10 the second most common jersey. | ||
JimmiC
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zev318
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On June 03 2019 01:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote: pretty sure Roberto Alomar got into Baseball's HOF repping the Blue Jays and has had his #12 retired by the Blue Jays despite only playing there 5 years. On top of that the Blue Jays didn't draft him. That said, I don't want to see the Raptors retire Carter's # or hang it in the rafters or honour his # or any of that stuff. Roberto Alomar was the best Blue Jay in the history of the team and had a couple of years where he was the best baseball player on the planet. VC is just an occasional all-star who half pays attention on defense. That's not good enough. so i went to the local crappy Mississauga suburban mall today... and everyone is plastered in Raptors attire. LOL. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Raptors shirt. Lowry's #7 is the most popular with Derozan's #10 the second most common jersey. i mean that's really putting down his accomplishments with the raptors. him and chris bosh probably 1/2 on the greatest raptors list, would u retire bosh's number (bosh also played 7 seasons in toronto)? vince was def a better scorer and vince basically made the all star team every year before going to the magic, which is when he really started to decline. again, retiring numbers should take into account of his influence off the court, its pretty safe to say canadian basketball wouldnt be where it is now without vince's influence when he was with the raptors. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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To put into perspective how mediocre VC has been in the playoffs... his shooting #s are worse than Lowry's shooting #s. He doesn't take charges, play very good defense, nor is he much of a playmaker. On June 03 2019 01:36 zev318 wrote: its pretty safe to say canadian basketball wouldnt be where it is now without vince's influence when he was with the raptors. The high price of hockey equipment and safety concerns are driving canadian kids and parents away from hockey. Hockey participation in Canada is falling fast. With nothing to do in the winter more kids are playing basketball. A good hockey stick is $200. What happens when it breaks? ratings were horrible during several of the VC years. They gave away the TV rights for their games to "City TV".. .a local urban toronto broadcast with zero reach outside of the GTA. Their signal was even difficult to capture in places like Milton and eastern Oshawa. A small supermarket in a small city outside Toronto is offering Kawhi free cat food to stay with the Raptors | ||
JimmiC
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zev318
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On June 03 2019 01:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote: If the Raptors win the championship this year I'd retire Lowry's #7. That's about it. I'm not a big fan of retiring the #s of occasional all-stars. To put into perspective how mediocre VC has been in the playoffs... his shooting #s are worse than Lowry's shooting #s. He doesn't take charges, play very good defense, nor is he much of a playmaker. The high price of hockey equipment and safety concerns are driving canadian kids and parents away from hockey. Hockey participation in Canada is falling fast. With nothing to do in the winter more kids are playing basketball. A good hockey stick is $200. What happens when it breaks? ratings were horrible during several of the VC years. They gave away the TV rights for their games to "City TV".. .a local urban toronto broadcast with zero reach outside of the GTA. Their signal was even difficult to capture in places like Milton and eastern Oshawa. A small supermarket in a small city outside Toronto is offering Kawhi free cat food to stay with the Raptors he made the all star game every year with the raptors with the exception of his rookie season, which he won ROY. didnt know 6 out of 7 is defined as occasional and we're talking about his raptor years only as this is a discussion about the raptors retiring his number, not other teams. wow, lowry is 0.7% better shooting in the playoffs, is that really what you're going to point out? 0.7% of shooting %? i can also point out that vince has a higher 3pt%, higher FT%, in the playoffs as a raptor. not much of a playermaker, yet he still averages 5 assists a game in the playoffs to lowry's 6.3 as a raptor. vince has a really small sample size tho. im not sure about the whole tv ratings thing that you pointed out, what does that have to do with vince? i dont remember watching raptors games on city tv, usually its tsn that i watched it on. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On June 03 2019 02:30 zev318 wrote: wow, lowry is 0.7% better shooting in the playoffs, is that really what you're going to point out? 0.7% of shooting %? i can also point out that vince has a higher 3pt%, higher FT%, in the playoffs as a raptor. not much of a playermaker, yet he still averages 5 assists a game in the playoffs to lowry's 6.3 as a raptor. vince has a really small sample size tho. im not sure about the whole tv ratings thing that you pointed out, what does that have to do with vince? i dont remember watching raptors games on city tv, usually its tsn that i watched it on. Lowry does all kinds of little things VC never did. The Raptors won one playoff series during the VC era. The TV Ratings thing indicates how little interest there was in the Raptors. The Raptors gave their games away for almost nothing. Curling got far better ratings during the VC era and it showed based on how the Raptors rights were kicked around from place to place whereas Curling events were coveted by sports networks. VC is a good player. I wouldn't want his # retired. Like I said if the Raptors win it all I'd retire Lowry's #7. Also, I'd honour Masai Ujiri in some manner. Maybe , stick his name on a banner and hoist it up to the rafters. On June 03 2019 02:29 JimmiC wrote: . A lot of what you are saying is just factually inaccurate. Would you be interested in bet about jersey retirement? "a lot" is too vague to discuss. On June 03 2019 02:29 JimmiC wrote: I get city TV in Alberta, I'm sure lots of others do too The City-TV in Toronto is the only place that broadcast it. If it were a serious sports property it wouldn't be on a station like City-TV at all. What sports did City-TV in Toronto carry? How 'bout nothing at all. City-TV is an Artsy type channel in Toronto. They put on shows produced and made by extremely cheap local talent. That was Moses Znaimer's secret to profitiballity ... spend no money. | ||
JimmiC
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There is so much info out there that disputes what you are saying. Not sure why you continually feel the need to double down on stuff that is not factually accurate. The Raptors' own TV ratings have also more doubled over five years, from 108,000 in 2010-11 to 246,000 in 2014-15. Ratings have gone down to 217,000 in 2015-16, but end-of-season audiences should drive that number up, according to the Raptors' broadcast department. But these numbers still do not approach the Vince Carter era, when the team averaged 713,000 viewers on CTV in 2001. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/basketball-by-the-numbers-1.3438486 | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On June 03 2019 05:35 JimmiC wrote: Then how do you explain all us non TO people that watched raptors games? because not every Raptors game was put on City-TV during the VC era. On June 03 2019 05:35 JimmiC wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/basketball-by-the-numbers-1.3438486 yes, ratings have skyrocketed long after VC left the Raptors. While VC was on the team the Raptors were giving away the rights to channels like City-TV for almost nothing; i think it included some kind of percentage cut on any commercials City sold. But these numbers still do not approach the Vince Carter era, when the team averaged 713,000 viewers on CTV in 2001. yep, for a couple of games at the peak of the VC era there were less than a handful of good ratings #s for very important individual playoff games. Those peak #s have long been annihilarted. I think a recent Raptors game peaked at over 7 million. Regular season games in the VC era had horrible ratings and landed on places like City-TV. In the same article you posted. Raptors games still trail well behind other sports in the ratings. During their competing regular seasons, the NFL, CFL and NHL still regularly pull in from two to 10 times as many viewers as the Raptors and the NBA usually can. | ||
JimmiC
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Yes they are better now, but they were brutal before and after VC, maybe this is what confused you? When Vince Carter was doing his thing, their playoff games approached 1 million. So a winner would help. Your headcannon is not fact, stop treating it as such. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On June 03 2019 05:48 JimmiC wrote: Not true. Please stop lying or back it up with some actual numbers. THEY ARE OUT THERE. Yes they are better now, but they were brutal before and after VC, maybe this is what confused you? Your headcannon is not fact, stop treating it as such. You are not fully reading my replies. In any event, you have one source that says 713,000 and another source that says close to one million. This is also from the source you posted. Youth participation in basketball has also trended slightly upward. Of sports participants from ages five to 14, basketball went from a 13 per cent participation rate in 1998 to a 16 per cent in 2010, according to a sports participation report published by Canadian Heritage. So VC didn't inspire some massive spike in participation. It went from 13% to 16%. Its a nice increase... but this does not make VC some kind of basketball saviour of Canada even if you assume the entire reason for the increase was all due to VC and no other factors. VC was a good player. He was not some kind of generational, once-in-a-lifetime, culture influencing icon. | ||
JimmiC
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And on the other side we have you making things up and treating them as facts. This is literally why you received your second last ban, and maybe the last one no details given. Will you ever learn? JimmyJRaynor was just temp banned for 2 days by Waxangel. That account was created on 2010-04-11 22:42:46 and had 12250 posts. Reason: You can disagree, you can be pessimistic, but you can't just go around stating your extremely aggressive headcannon as fact. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On June 03 2019 06:03 JimmiC wrote: A mere 25% increase.. On June 03 2019 06:03 JimmiC wrote: And on the other side we have you making things up and treating them as facts. This is literally why you received your second last ban, and maybe the last one no details given. Will you ever learn? no, we have me reading your own sources and pointing out how they back up my points. 25% is incorrect. Your basic arithmetic is wrong. Your own source calls the increase in youth participation in basketballl over 13 years as Youth participation in basketball has also trended slightly upward. that is your own source. VC deserves some credit for "Youth participation in basketball has also trended slightly upward." There are other factors involved in this slightly upward trend over 13 years other than VC playing in Toronto for 7 years. | ||
JimmiC
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6 of 7 all star games and ROY. "occasional all star with TO" is what you say. "Couldn't even get ratings in Canada and was not on national TV during VC". Multiple sources say otherwise. "Only went up from 13-16% there for they should not retire his number" WTF are you even arguing now lol. I got TO tonight putting the big pressure on GS for heading back to the bay area. | ||
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