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On December 06 2012 22:35 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:33 ElfenLied wrote: Does it also mean Proleague will not be on Television? I don't understand KeSPA as they allow a foreigner team to join their league, only to sneer at us the next best moment. Really hope EG-Liquid will support GomTV and join the GSTL next season. Haven't heard of anything yet. This seems to be way better for global e-sport... GSTL is a joke compared to Proleague. If GSTL was even worth joining, don't you think they would have done that over Proleague? It may be less popular but calling it a joke is a bit over the top no?
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Dammit Kespa. Why do you do these things?
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Hmmm, well hopefully it will be a better stream as a result. Might be nice for OGN to focus on OSL only for a bit with the new streaming side of things for them. Interesting developments left and right^^
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KeSPA: proudly causing dramas since 2000
Just a joke but the perception that KeSPA gives to almost everyone here is not far from this.
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On December 06 2012 22:26 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:20 Ragnarork wrote: KeSPA being KeSPA.
We need to get rid of these despots, they just do basically everything they can to completely fuck up with the international audience.... I wouldn't put the entire blame on KeSPA in this situation. From what I understand, it's IEG's greed more than anything.
Who is IEG?
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On December 06 2012 22:29 Fyodor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:26 GTR wrote:On December 06 2012 22:20 Ragnarork wrote: KeSPA being KeSPA.
We need to get rid of these despots, they just do basically everything they can to completely fuck up with the international audience.... I wouldn't entirely blame KeSPA in this situation. It's mostly based on IEG's greed more than anything. Not greed. The OGN stream was the sorriest excuse for a stream I've ever seen. Lagged the entire season, substandard casters, trouble with the VODs, subsription fee too high. It was sheer incompetence and complacency. OGN was the weak link in KeSPA's global footprint and they seem to be taking care of it.
Totally true. The OSL did not go well at all last season. I got back to Korea and we've had plenty of time to improve things since then though and I can guarantee you this broadcast would have kicked ass.
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On December 06 2012 22:36 Fyodor wrote: Can we have an OP and title that aren't completely biased?
something like: "KeSPA changes broadcasting partners for English stream"
The truth:
We're getting a better, cheaper, more reliable stream from people that actually care. (Not OGN)
Sorry for doa but this will be better for all of us.
Nothing is confirmed yet ;o
I will admit the first SC2 OSL had a lotttt of problems and if someone else can do a better job while having it not be replays or a rebroadcast and we still get to see everything in the studio then that's OK.
On December 06 2012 22:38 DoA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:29 Fyodor wrote:On December 06 2012 22:26 GTR wrote:On December 06 2012 22:20 Ragnarork wrote: KeSPA being KeSPA.
We need to get rid of these despots, they just do basically everything they can to completely fuck up with the international audience.... I wouldn't entirely blame KeSPA in this situation. It's mostly based on IEG's greed more than anything. Not greed. The OGN stream was the sorriest excuse for a stream I've ever seen. Lagged the entire season, substandard casters, trouble with the VODs, subsription fee too high. It was sheer incompetence and complacency. OGN was the weak link in KeSPA's global footprint and they seem to be taking care of it. Totally true. The OSL did not go well at all last season. I got back to Korea and we've had plenty of time to improve things since then though and I can guarantee you this broadcast would have kicked ass.
Well fuck.
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On December 06 2012 22:20 Dodgin wrote:He must mean unofficially, as in they will cast from their studio on top of the Korean stream. That is, unless Kespa partnered with two different organizations in NA/EU to broadcast for them, MLG for the weekend matches that will air in the evening in PST/EST and the GDstudio to cast the weekday matches that will air mid-day for EU. Or he's trolling.
Haha he is definitly trolling, it's 2gd . He just repeated what MLGLee twittered as a joke imo.
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when i have to read shit like that my blood pressure goes through the roof. fucking control whores... nothing worse in the world - and all of that because they switched 2 years after game release and now they have to see how to get a foothold in the SC2 scene.. really pathetic a shame that we as the target group (as in "the viewers") cant do shit against that... not watching isnt really a viable option since we DO want to see cool matches and stuff.. infinitely bad story
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Why the fuck would you incorporate a foreign team into proleague and then not have an english broadcast. I'm not going to sit and listen to a bunch of gibber jabber and over dramatic screaming that is korean commentary.
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On December 06 2012 22:32 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:30 pekkasteele wrote:On December 06 2012 22:18 ArchangelJada wrote: As i didnt follow the BW scene I dont know much about kespa but every time i hear something about them there doing something douchy, why they so lame? Same here. Every single time KESPA is brought up, there are bad news. SC2 was good before KESPA so why do we need them now with all the s*it they are doing? Let them have there players and leagues and we can have GSL, MLG, DH and so on. Your GSL, MLG and DH are still there. No one is forcing you watching KeSPA content.
Yea but would be nice to see ProLeague with the EG-TL team, but now, instead, I won't be able to. Well I could, but a good caster, in English makes it so much more enjoyable. Now I will just feel, the players have focus on a league I don't care about. I rather se them play in GSTL or something like that than PL.
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wow great news! we finally have a foreign team in sc2 pl, we have some of the best korean players on foreign teams, but we can't officially watch it, yay. i wonder if kespa realizes that they might possibly start destroying themselves? the foreign community is growing incredibly large, thus gaining more power. as far as i know nobody in the foreign scene likes kespa or wants to be affiliated with them. so they put themselves more and more into a lonely corner...
i would also like to know the viewer numbers on gsl/esf and osl/kespa and if kespa even understands the consequences of their actions. so far, in almost 3 years of daily sc, i have never ever heared or read ONE positive word about kespa, correct me if i'm wrong. this is definitely a way of preventing esports to grow...
is there any possibility that we get a liquid stream (e.g. w/ tsl casters?), as we compete in pl now, or is there no way b/c of missing rights to do so.
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EG and TL should throw a fucking fit
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Well, how do we put pressure on Kespa exactly? I wish there was a way to just make Kespa go away, nobody needs them.
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Sure it was a douche move to do this to OGN on such a short notice, but given how shitty the english OSL coverage was, can you blame them for wanting to change if MLG gave them a opportunity?
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Not sure if I'm making any sense but will EG and Team Liquid be thrilled about this with the majority of their market being forgieners. Without an english stream to promote their players would they be estatic on one level to be part of the Proleague in Korea but upset on another due to missing out on exposure? Even though many above have said they will still watch the Korean stream I estimate there will be equal numbers if not more who will not watch. Personally I hate watching observers scrolling around the map without knowing what the commentators are talking about.
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Ok, so back to amateur re-streams with K-pop during the breaks.. sounds bearable. In all seriousness, this ofc sucks. I believe in you doa.
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On December 06 2012 22:31 markrevival wrote: MLG makes me hate them more with every news update involving them.
...what? How is MLG related to this? Kespa has dropped OGN as their broadcaster for this, that's it. MLG has no involvement other than what Lee tweeted.
Besides, if MLG is going to offer English casts of the Proleague when OGN has been dropped, why would you hate them because of it?
"How DARE you offer me quality production for my viewing pleasure?! You sick bastards!"
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I missed so much Korean casts, i'm so fucking happy, it's raining good news today :D
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Looks like I have to imagine the ingame-sounds, cause i would never ever watch a korean stream with sound on.
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