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On July 11 2012 03:46 Elite_ wrote: Stephano 2-0'd. gg Stephano fans. gg. and so what ? Stephano is (much) better than Cytoplasm in ZvP and ZvT, but Cyto has the upper hand in ZvZ, he hasn't lost a map vs Stephano the last months. It was predictible and it happened, nothing to brag about. That won't make Cytoplasm a world class player, and that won't make Stephano any worse in his other matchups.
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One more chance tomorrow on the American server.
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monchi just beat a Protoss, dunno who cause his name didn't match the bracket.
Edit: It was ladder
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On July 11 2012 03:26 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 03:21 HaXXspetten wrote:On July 11 2012 03:20 Sroobz wrote:On July 11 2012 03:19 Snowbear wrote: What is going on with all the terrans these days?? Lucifron is the only terran left in the ro 16. Are other terrans sleeping??? That must be it! Terrans are sleeping That'll shut up the balance whiners! Terrans just lurk so they can get a free buff next patch! It's long term investment. More seriously I think it's just a coincidence that HSC V & this qualifier happen the same week. How exactly does it explain the lack of Terran here?
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On July 11 2012 03:46 Ylrahc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 03:43 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why Stephano is so bad at ZvZ when his ZvT and ZvP are top notch It's not Stephano being so bad (it's obviously his worst matchup, yet he managed to defeat violet not so long ago and usually takes at least one map in a bo3 vs a zerg), it's Cytoplasm being very good at ZvZ. He hasn't lost a map to Stephano in a tournament yet if my memory is correct.
Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record in ZvZ is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio. Stephano has a higher ZvZ win % than him by a large %.
What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times.
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stephano needs more practise! He just moved in to a flat in paris and there wasn't any internet there at the first couple of days/weeks(?). Why can't he practise in the Millenium house?
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On July 11 2012 03:50 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 03:46 Ylrahc wrote:On July 11 2012 03:43 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why Stephano is so bad at ZvZ when his ZvT and ZvP are top notch It's not Stephano being so bad (it's obviously his worst matchup, yet he managed to defeat violet not so long ago and usually takes at least one map in a bo3 vs a zerg), it's Cytoplasm being very good at ZvZ. He hasn't lost a map to Stephano in a tournament yet if my memory is correct. Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio. What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times.
Well this is the case for most zergs. But ZvZ is Stephanos worst matchup and the problem is, he doesnt care a lot. He already stated he practises matchups where he has fun, not where he needs to.
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On July 11 2012 03:51 archonOOid wrote: stephano needs more practise! He just moved in to a flat in paris and there wasn't any internet there at the first couple of days/weeks(?). Why can't he practise in the Millenium house? Because the Millenium house is located in the Marseille if I'm not mistaken
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No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring.
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On July 11 2012 03:48 Ylrahc wrote:and so what ? Stephano is (much) better than Cytoplasm in ZvP and ZvT, but Cyto has the upper hand in ZvZ, he hasn't lost a map vs Stephano the last months. It was predictible and it happened, nothing to brag about. That won't make Cytoplasm a world class player, and that won't make Stephano any worse in his other matchups. does it actually matter that stephano is better than cytoplasm at ZvT?
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On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote: No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring.
But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be... ... ... Alright. Gotta find some positive.
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On July 11 2012 03:52 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 03:50 Azarkon wrote:On July 11 2012 03:46 Ylrahc wrote:On July 11 2012 03:43 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why Stephano is so bad at ZvZ when his ZvT and ZvP are top notch It's not Stephano being so bad (it's obviously his worst matchup, yet he managed to defeat violet not so long ago and usually takes at least one map in a bo3 vs a zerg), it's Cytoplasm being very good at ZvZ. He hasn't lost a map to Stephano in a tournament yet if my memory is correct. Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio. What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times. Well this is the case for most zergs. But ZvZ is Stephanos worst matchup and the problem is, he doesnt care a lot. He already stated he practises matchups where he has fun, not where he needs to. That's going to be a problem considering how foreign tournaments look atm.
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Sad about LucifroN, he's been my darkhorse pick, I really want him to qualify.
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On July 11 2012 03:55 Sp00ly wrote:But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be... ... ... Alright. Gotta find some positive.
Pvp isn't ROFL
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On July 11 2012 03:56 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 03:52 00Visor wrote:On July 11 2012 03:50 Azarkon wrote:On July 11 2012 03:46 Ylrahc wrote:On July 11 2012 03:43 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why Stephano is so bad at ZvZ when his ZvT and ZvP are top notch It's not Stephano being so bad (it's obviously his worst matchup, yet he managed to defeat violet not so long ago and usually takes at least one map in a bo3 vs a zerg), it's Cytoplasm being very good at ZvZ. He hasn't lost a map to Stephano in a tournament yet if my memory is correct. Cytoplasm isn't that excellent at ZvZ. His record is <50% and this isn't just to Nerchio. What Stephano is, is unstable in ZvZ. He's able to beat top Zergs in ZvZ - ie Violet and Nerchio - but is also able to lose to Zergs that are worse than him in every other match up. When Stephano plays ZvZ you never know when he's going to win, and when he's going to get owned 0-2 in ten minutes. This was one of the latter times. Well this is the case for most zergs. But ZvZ is Stephanos worst matchup and the problem is, he doesnt care a lot. He already stated he practises matchups where he has fun, not where he needs to. That's going to be a problem considering how foreign tournaments look atm.
It's always been a problem, but Stephano is not helpless in ZvZ - he's beaten excellent ZvZers in other tournaments. He's just not stable at it, and this costs him tournaments at times - this time, it cost him TSL 4.
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Axeltoss is pretty annoying. He's making correlations that aren't even valid.
I understand he's trolling but he should stop and just cast the damn game.
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On July 11 2012 03:58 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 03:55 Sp00ly wrote:On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote: No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring. But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be... ... ... Alright. Gotta find some positive. Pvp isn't ROFL
You would rather see 4gate vs 4gate every game?
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On July 11 2012 03:54 TitleRug wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 03:48 Ylrahc wrote:On July 11 2012 03:46 Elite_ wrote: Stephano 2-0'd. gg Stephano fans. gg. and so what ? Stephano is (much) better than Cytoplasm in ZvP and ZvT, but Cyto has the upper hand in ZvZ, he hasn't lost a map vs Stephano the last months. It was predictible and it happened, nothing to brag about. That won't make Cytoplasm a world class player, and that won't make Stephano any worse in his other matchups. does it actually matter that stephano is better than cytoplasm at ZvT? Kind of, if you want to win big tournaments you need to be able to beat good terrans and protosses too Cytoplasm has become a lot better the last months and has done some good results here and there, I actually took interest in his results after his consecutive wins against Stephano in a team cup, his training in Korea paid off. He is not yet at the level of Stephano / Nerchio / Dimaga / Ret, he lacks some experience (pretty sure had this match happened live / on stage, Stephano would have won), but he is getting there. Maybe TSL will be his break into the scene ?
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On July 11 2012 04:00 Sp00ly wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 03:58 Sroobz wrote:On July 11 2012 03:55 Sp00ly wrote:On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote: No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring. But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be... ... ... Alright. Gotta find some positive. Pvp isn't ROFL You would rather see 4gate vs 4gate every game?
You know...I think I might. Random colossi battles are horrible to watch.
At one point it looked like PvP was going to revolve around speed warp prisms with immortals. Woulda been so sick.
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On July 11 2012 03:58 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 03:55 Sp00ly wrote:On July 11 2012 03:54 DifuntO wrote: No terrans again? PvZ is sooooo boring. But at least ZvZ and PvP are better than they used to be... ... ... Alright. Gotta find some positive. Pvp isn't ROFL
PvPs are fine as long as they don't go to late game with giraffe wars or motherships.
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