I mean, is it easily recognizable even to the kids?
If the answer(s) is yes, I'd call the pastor and talk to him for you. You'd have to send me a PM with the city/church name though.
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
I mean, is it easily recognizable even to the kids? If the answer(s) is yes, I'd call the pastor and talk to him for you. You'd have to send me a PM with the city/church name though. | ||
ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
buy like 10 of them and put the on the perimter of your property. | ||
ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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TheGiz
Canada708 Posts
You have to actually appear scary to the kids otherwise they'll continue to provoke you for fun. I used to purposely piss off my grandfather in his smoking room and then run out before he could catch me because I thought it was hilarious. Don't let that happen. | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 30 2011 00:14 TheGiz wrote: I agree with the comments that you should just generally be a mean asshole to the kids. If you actually seem scary enough they'll stay away. I once had a neighbour who chased me off his property with a broom. We called him Crazy Tom. Can you guess if I ever went back? I didn't. Watch the movie Sandlot and you'll seen what I mean. You have to actually appear scary to the kids otherwise they'll continue to provoke you for fun. I used to purposely piss off my grandfather in his smoking room and then run out before he could catch me because I thought it was hilarious. Don't let that happen. These days that might get the cops called on you. | ||
eight.BiT
United States240 Posts
On June 30 2011 00:22 JingleHell wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2011 00:14 TheGiz wrote: I agree with the comments that you should just generally be a mean asshole to the kids. If you actually seem scary enough they'll stay away. I once had a neighbour who chased me off his property with a broom. We called him Crazy Tom. Can you guess if I ever went back? I didn't. Watch the movie Sandlot and you'll seen what I mean. You have to actually appear scary to the kids otherwise they'll continue to provoke you for fun. I used to purposely piss off my grandfather in his smoking room and then run out before he could catch me because I thought it was hilarious. Don't let that happen. These days that might get the cops called on you. Yeah, after numerous talks I can safely say these people that work for the church are complete douches. I have no doubt they would call the police if I did anything like that, and here in middle of nowhere central florida the sheriffs are.. yeah. | ||
eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On June 29 2011 23:47 JingleHell wrote: Call the local Child Protective Services and/or the police, IMO. The property damage is sufficient justification to call the cops, and since the children aren't being properly supervised, I'd be willing to bet the CPS would have a few choice words for the people running the daycare service. This will have the added benefit of providing solid proof that you're concerned about the well-being of the children. Pretty much this. You want to show the authorities that YOU are concerned about the safety of the children, and that the church is being negligent and violating the law and the safety of the children. Filing a lawsuit or building a fence does neither of these things. Handing out fliers to the parents may also be a good idea. Basically, when you call the governmental agencies you want to tell them that the church is: 1. being negligent letting the children run around during daycare onto property that is not their own which shows lack of supervision 2. show that the church is being negligent with their daycare by allowing the children to destroy property that is not theirs which also shows a lack of supervision and responsibility 3. Let them know that you may be potentially liable if kids get hurt on your property and since you know this you are looking out for the best interest of the kids so you don't have to be responsible for what the daycare is supposed to do Document to them the case that you have repeatedly told the church officials about the these issues including the days, letters, etc. And hand them off to whatever agencies you called about these safety issues. | ||
Harpwn
Australia253 Posts
step 1: go be a nasty ass to the daycare and pastor people, dont get into an argument, just walk over there, act angry and tell them they better f****** fix their **** **** **** *** or there going to be ***** hell to pay. then walk off - you warned them Step 2: call cops when the kids are on your property, explain you told them nicely to keep the kids off step 3: if not sorted by now, child protection services and shit, and this will protect you somewhat from lawsuits if there is a formal complaint on record step 4: sit outside the GOD ****ing damn church and hand out flier to the parents, be a complete @$$hat about it, who cares what they think of you. after that , you will have to go the atourney/fence route. Oh and i had another great idea, get a freakin water sprinkler and turn it on on the kids, say its on a timer or something, not your fault theyre on your property, hell you dont even have to lie, go to a hardware shop and buy a cheap ass timer, then go somewhere so youre not even there. Or make it muddy as all hell, im no babysitter, but if the kids were rolling in mud i wouldnt be happy. Or just grab a bag of manure and lay it around. Blood and bone for smell too. cmon team liquid, get practical. PLEASSSE keep us updated <3 | ||
temps
Canada62 Posts
After that you are probably going to have to be persistent.. keep talking to the people watching the kids.. the pastor.. the police.. Or pay to get a tall fence installed | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
On June 30 2011 00:03 ZeaL. wrote: buy like 10 of them and put the on the perimter of your property. Pretty much. I would probably pay a visit to the police and tell them about it. And if it continues after that, then you say sup to a lawyer. Shitty situation. In the south Churches kinda have an advantage. | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 30 2011 02:18 Engore wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2011 00:03 ZeaL. wrote: buy like 10 of them and put the on the perimter of your property. Pretty much. I would probably pay a visit to the police and tell them about it. And if it continues after that, then you say sup to a lawyer. Shitty situation. In the south Churches kinda have an advantage. That's why I suggested Child Protective/Welfare Services along with/instead of the cops. They're much more likely to have seen bad situations where the church wasn't looking out for the welfare of children at all in an effort to keep a family together/protect someone's reputation. They're also much scarier to the parents. | ||
Gnial
Canada907 Posts
Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer in your jurisdiction (or at all, actually), I am a Canadian law student only. I just want to say that this is not legal advice that should be solely relied upon - you should probably talk to a lawyer, or ensure that your insurance covers trespass injury caused by negligence. I'm unsure of your local laws...the main worry I would have is that if one of those kids gets hurt on your property you could be sued. I know in Canada we have a different, lower standard of care that is owed to trespassers, as is probably the case in your state...but we have a lot of exceptions, particularly with respect to children trespassers. If there are dangerous things on your property (such as a weak tree branch), and the children get hurt, the fact that you have knowledge of their trespassing means that you may be negligent in not putting into effect measures (such as a fence, or cutting off weak/lower branches) to keep them out or at least safe. If you had dug a big open pit on your non-fenced off property, and there was evidence that you had knowledge of children trespassing on your property, if you didn't take measures to ensure that the children didn't fall into the pit you could almost certainly be sued successfully. There are certainly some ways to distinguish your case - but I doubt that would prevent you from being drawn into a long and expensive litigation process even if you ended up being found not liable. The Church would almost certainly be liable as well, as they are supposed to be supervising. But perhaps these parents won't want to sue their Church (perhaps they think they'll go to hell if they do or something?) Or perhaps they will just sue both of you, as is often the case, so that they can essentially coerce you into testifying against the other party. One saving grace you have is that if you are found liable, injured or killed young children don't cost nearly as much as, say, injured or killed young professionals, or other workers. Usually the biggest portion of a personal injury claim is loss of future income, and children as presumed to have little-to-no future income. Long story short - pony up and build a fence, and/or get some insurance that covers trespassing injury, or something. If you have a fence it shows that you at least made an effort to prevent the children from being harmed on your property in light of the Church's refusal to cooperate. You may be able to get the church to help fund the fence if you talk to them, because it will help protect them from being sued as well. | ||
Engore
United States1916 Posts
On June 30 2011 02:20 JingleHell wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2011 02:18 Engore wrote: On June 30 2011 00:03 ZeaL. wrote: buy like 10 of them and put the on the perimter of your property. Pretty much. I would probably pay a visit to the police and tell them about it. And if it continues after that, then you say sup to a lawyer. Shitty situation. In the south Churches kinda have an advantage. That's why I suggested Child Protective/Welfare Services along with/instead of the cops. They're much more likely to have seen bad situations where the church wasn't looking out for the welfare of children at all in an effort to keep a family together/protect someone's reputation. They're also much scarier to the parents. Ya that would be a good idea too. You would definitely think they would look into it and find something unsafe about it. If not then obviously the police should care about trespassing like this. I think having a sign about trespassing would go a long way in a court/argument. Sometimes many things can be negated if there isn't a sign present. Example: My brother was charged with being at our local park after hours, when in fact our park doesn't have a posted sign with a closing time. Therefore they had no merit for that charge and it was dropped. Edited for grammar cause i'm dumb. | ||
Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On June 30 2011 02:37 Engore wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2011 02:20 JingleHell wrote: On June 30 2011 02:18 Engore wrote: On June 30 2011 00:03 ZeaL. wrote: buy like 10 of them and put the on the perimter of your property. Pretty much. I would probably pay a visit to the police and tell them about it. And if it continues after that, then you say sup to a lawyer. Shitty situation. In the south Churches kinda have an advantage. That's why I suggested Child Protective/Welfare Services along with/instead of the cops. They're much more likely to have seen bad situations where the church wasn't looking out for the welfare of children at all in an effort to keep a family together/protect someone's reputation. They're also much scarier to the parents. Ya that would be a good idea too. You would definitely think they would look into it and find something unsafe about it. If not then obviously the police should care about trespassing like this. I think having a sign about trespassing would go a long way in a court/argument. Sometimes many things can be negated if there isn't a sign present. Example: My brother was charged with being at our local park after hours, when in fact our park doesn't have a posted sign with a closing time. Therefore they had no merit for that charge and it was dropped. Edited for grammar cause i'm dumb. A sign doesn't even work all that well in court against adults. A sign won't go anywhere in your case since some of the kids are in grade 1 and kindergarten. I doubt the courts will find that the children assumed all risks on the property when they are too young to be considered capable of understanding all the consequences of their decisions. | ||
Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On June 29 2011 22:34 eight.BiT wrote: So I'm supposed to spend the money to fence not one but two properties just so I can keep them off? That's a lot of money. Fences aren't cheap, at all. What you need to be aware of is that failure to fence off your property might be the issue that makes you liable for punitive damages if the kids get hurt on your property. You've now demonstrated to the people at the church that you know it's your property, you know the kids are trespassing, and you definitely know they might get hurt. If one of them does get hurt, and you are sued, that you knew all of that and did not build a fence will be evidence of negligence. If the kids get hurt, it's likely that the church might be found liable as well, should the parents sue them, but that won't relieve you of any of your burden to show that you've taken reasonable action to ensure that people do not get hurt on your property. | ||
Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Kid gets hurt, parents will want to sue you (or the church) who can then say, look I told the church they are on my property and they said they didn't give a shit. Then you + church are in lawsuit hell. I'm sure you both want to avoid that. Mention it to the church, and see what happens. If the pastor guy whoever says "why don't you want them there" just tell him because they are running around in an unsafe wooded environment, and you don't want to get yourself and him sued for the environment they are paying in. It's up to them to supervise as much as it is up to you to make sure they don't kill themselves back there. Sadly "it's my property" won't cover you in court. | ||
LazyMacro
976 Posts
Call the police every time the kids trespass on or vandalize your property. Take pictures of the damage and document everything. | ||
Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 30 2011 05:27 Treemonkeys wrote: Play some rap music with f-bombs galore as loud as possible. That will scare them away (the adults not the kids) and they will complain. Offer a deal that you won't play the music as long as the kids stay off your property. Yes, give them room to file noise complaints with the police, so that there's a record of you going about handling the situation the wrong way. Great idea. People in the south are already too likely to side with a church to begin with, putting yourself on the back foot by opening hostilities is a terrible idea. | ||
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