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JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 23 2009 12:06 GMT
#1
So it turns out that my vocation in the military is not like what I expected.. its not as relaxed as I had hoped it to be. Because of that, I had a really heavy heart the entire day because this 2 weeks ahead would be my last time being able to go home everyday.. and the future seems bleak.

But I spoke to a friend of mine telling him how things had turned out for me and that things would only get tougher. Then he said "Tough times don't last. Tough men do."

Then it all made sense. It made sense to defend this country.

**
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
March 23 2009 12:25 GMT
#2
"If it feels like you're walking through hell, keep walking it'll end some time."
-a billboard I saw
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
March 23 2009 12:27 GMT
#3
Nationalism doesn't make sense to me.
To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign.
Lines on a map drawn by monkeys.
No I'm never serious.
plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
March 23 2009 12:28 GMT
#4
You'll be better off for it, don't worry.





Unless it kills you.
Savior broke my heart ;_; || twitch.tv/onnings
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
March 23 2009 12:35 GMT
#5
On March 23 2009 21:27 Nytefish wrote:
Nationalism doesn't make sense to me.
To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign.
Lines on a map drawn by monkeys.

I like this post.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 23 2009 12:50 GMT
#6
But they drew the lines anyway. So we have to protect it.
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
March 23 2009 12:59 GMT
#7
So what would I do in a war between britain and china?
No I'm never serious.
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
March 23 2009 13:01 GMT
#8
On March 23 2009 21:50 JMave wrote:
But they drew the lines anyway. So we have to protect it.

No you don't.

I get it when people say they need to protect their families. When they say they need to protect countries is where they lose me for their cause.
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
March 23 2009 13:51 GMT
#9
On March 23 2009 21:27 Nytefish wrote:
Nationalism doesn't make sense to me.
To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign.
Lines on a map drawn by monkeys.

It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 14:02:19
March 23 2009 14:01 GMT
#10
On March 23 2009 21:06 JMave wrote:Then it all made sense. It made sense to defend this country.


From what, exactly?
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
March 23 2009 14:19 GMT
#11
On March 23 2009 22:51 TheTyranid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2009 21:27 Nytefish wrote:
Nationalism doesn't make sense to me.
To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign.
Lines on a map drawn by monkeys.

It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory.

I find it hard to be proud of something I never took part in. My understanding is that people should be proud of things they HAVE done (like I am a vet and I am damn proud and happy when a patient is getting better), not my things they have read about being done 50-100-1000-2000 years ago (like being proud cause of a battle where the bulgarian troops led by Tzar Simeon raped the Byzantium army at Anchialus in 917). Why be proud of that? Bottom line is shitload of people died there for the imperial interests of both countries... Or you, the Russians being proud of defeating the Nazis back in 1945... I can understand the actual soldiers thinking "Wow we raped the mightiest army in Europe, we rock" but a modern Russian boasting over it is pitiful. Or "Hey you know I am proud cause Tolstoi is one of the best writers in the world!". It does not matter nowadays what nationality he had, get over it already!
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 14:46:50
March 23 2009 14:33 GMT
#12
On March 23 2009 22:51 TheTyranid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2009 21:27 Nytefish wrote:
Nationalism doesn't make sense to me.
To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign.
Lines on a map drawn by monkeys.

It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory.


I can understand it if you are proud of your friends, family or yourself. But how can you be proud of a bunch of people you don't even know of, and that just happen to be born inside your territory?
I can also understand that you like your culture, and history, etc. But do you think countries go to war so as to protect their culture and history? The answer is no, millions of people die in wars with mainly other interests (economic, etc.) which have nothing to do with culture at all.


On March 23 2009 21:50 JMave wrote:
But they drew the lines anyway. So we have to protect it.


Sorry but that's a lame reason to put your life in risk for. Unless what you meant is that you are forced to because they drew those lines...

On March 23 2009 23:19 hymn wrote:
I find it hard to be proud of something I never took part in. My understanding is that people should be proud of things they HAVE done (like I am a vet and I am damn proud and happy when a patient is getting better), not my things they have read about being done 50-100-1000-2000 years ago


Exactly.
Freedom is a stranger
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
March 23 2009 14:54 GMT
#13
On March 23 2009 23:19 hymn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2009 22:51 TheTyranid wrote:
On March 23 2009 21:27 Nytefish wrote:
Nationalism doesn't make sense to me.
To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign.
Lines on a map drawn by monkeys.

It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory.

I find it hard to be proud of something I never took part in. My understanding is that people should be proud of things they HAVE done (like I am a vet and I am damn proud and happy when a patient is getting better), not my things they have read about being done 50-100-1000-2000 years ago (like being proud cause of a battle where the bulgarian troops led by Tzar Simeon raped the Byzantium army at Anchialus in 917). Why be proud of that? Bottom line is shitload of people died there for the imperial interests of both countries... Or you, the Russians being proud of defeating the Nazis back in 1945... I can understand the actual soldiers thinking "Wow we raped the mightiest army in Europe, we rock" but a modern Russian boasting over it is pitiful. Or "Hey you know I am proud cause Tolstoi is one of the best writers in the world!". It does not matter nowadays what nationality he had, get over it already!

It is to create an identity for otherwise really bland people. What if you were a loser and had nothing else than your nationality?
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 23 2009 15:35 GMT
#14
It has to do with a sense of community, humans are social creatures and so when the place where you reside in gets threatened by an outside force, you band together to fight back. You could even scale that feeling back to TL. People feel pride in TL and when other sites (SC2GG, GosuGamers, etc.) challenge TL to showmatches, we show solidarity. Most people don't contribute much to the main parts of the site PX, TLPD, TLFE, LR but we still contribute in small ways that make us feel as if we belong blogs, topics, posting and so that's similar to people in a country doing work or purchasing goods from that country. It's about pride.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
March 23 2009 16:08 GMT
#15
Nationalism can be compared in many ways to religion, its just useless.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
March 23 2009 16:27 GMT
#16
On March 24 2009 01:08 Cloud wrote:
Nationalism can be compared in many ways to religion, its just to control the masses

No I'm never serious.
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
March 23 2009 16:35 GMT
#17
I agree, nationalism is useless. For example, when Sweden beats another country in hockey for example, why should I be happy? Did I somehow contribute to their win? Am I superior to others because the people who beat the other people happened to be born closer to me? No. We all come from Earth. Imo the whole industry when it comes to World Cup is rather useless, the sport on other hand is kind of fun.
SwaY-
Profile Joined March 2009
Dominican Republic463 Posts
March 23 2009 16:36 GMT
#18
I sense 2nd religious thread coming up in a matter of 1 week... oh noez
Do it beautifully
KaasZerg
Profile Joined November 2005
Netherlands927 Posts
March 23 2009 17:06 GMT
#19
I think the Dutch aren't nationalistic at all. A touch of madness when it concerns international soccer.
To me nationalism is weird.
Track
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States217 Posts
March 23 2009 17:18 GMT
#20
From a TL.net user in the US Marine Corps, stand tough for your country. It's not about nationalism or ignorant patriotism, it's about defending the men and women next to you; it's about fighting for a cause greater than yourself and knowing that what you're doing is having a positive effect on those you love.
Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.
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