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I've never been one to openly blame TL's staff for how they run the show, but lately the users/forums have been almost unbearable for me.
I've been debating whether or not to ask something like this for a while and I guess the thread that finally pushed me past the breaking point was:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85127
I've been here a long time and I realize there are ' phases ' and ' stupid threads ' that pop up every now and then but personally, I can't find an explanation for the past 3 months or so and how people get by with stupid shit. There's a handful of users that I am dumbfounded by how they have over 3000 posts and cannot believe they haven't been banned for stupidity yet. I won't name names since that's not my biggest complaint, but to try and illustrate my point I've also contemplated asking TL admins on MSN to just ban my account so I don't have to look at stupid shit anymore. There's quality so I still come here every day I'm on the computer [ multiple times ] but there's starting to be so much shit that its ALMOST worth it to just prevent myself from coming to see 1 speck of quality.
So the only logical theory that I've come up with is that there aren't enough/good moderators. Again I won't name names but one of the mods I have no earthly idea how the fuck he ever got blue. It's like, TL has a tradition of picking out great minds to be leaders so its like duck duck duck fugly goose <---- wtf?
So is it just me? Do I just need to take a break? I finally got the hint when I started getting worked up over shit people post on TL which never really happened before. I would literally say to myself ' how dumb can you be '
Disclaimer: I know shit is busy. This isn't the greatest time to ask, probably won't get addressed fully etc but I figured might as well do it now. I also realize TL gets this kinda question/thread often but I really like this site and I think the amount of dumb activity over the past couple months has warranted something like this. Its like the purge never really happened.....
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Blue =/= Moderator; I assume you mean red?
That thread you linked is really shit; and it did get closed. But theres nothing more in that thread other than giving a warning - which was given. We could probably use a little harsher moderation though now that i think about it ...
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Kennigit
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Don't worry yo my new years resolution is to become Chill.
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Sorry, I use mod interchangeably since there have been some blue names who are mods in the past. I know mods are red ;x.
I guess its just me complaining. Like I said I would rather not use names....but man....there are some annoying [subjective I know] and relatively useless [ contribute once a blue moon and have thousands of unbelievably dumb posts ] users that I would have expected to be banned.
I have faith in you guys though. Thanks for reading.
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this is all chill's fault
lolololol
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I used to feel the same way as the OP a couple months ago, and complained all the time about shitty posters/threads
now I dont even care. Its kinda sad
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I used to give a shit about posting
but when it all goes unpunished and good post(er)s are just torn down by idiots, who gives a fuck
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On January 01 2009 11:43 H wrote:
I used to give a shit about posting
but when it all goes unpunished and good post(er)s are just torn down by idiots, who gives a fuck
I honestly feel the same way.
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Suggestions:
1) Perhaps moderators shouldn't ban each other to begin with? That would help tremendously.
Examples:
Chill was just Temp banned for 90 days by Kennigit.
That account was created on 2005-01-28 05:00:00 and had 8502 posts.
Reason: I wanted to outdo your other birthday presents. Happy Birthday, love from everyone who you banned or who's thread you closed
Hot_Bid was just banned by SonuvBob.
That account was created on 2003-10-09 00:31:23 and had 17043 posts.
Reason: STOP SPOILING ME ON MSN JERK
2) Purge the SC2 forum? Thanks for purging the Strategy forum (once Chill came back, btw), but the SC2 forum's case is even more urgent. Among other things, the no mbs rule isn't enforced, and it should extend to automine and other incendiary topics, and also to single comments instead of just threads. Nothing good ever came out of these discussions anyway, only flame and sheer zealotry.
3) May I suggest that 2-days bans are ineffective? Why would anybody care unless they're compulsive thread spammers? Make it 30 days minimum, and permanent ban after 2-3 offenses, or if trying to work around the temp ban with a new account. That should limit the need for multiple bans if anything.
4) Make reading guidelines mandatory before new users can post anything? Right now they're easy to miss, even if you open a specific forum (they're only one of many featured threads), and outright invisible if you don't (just click on the sidebar). That would limit the number of bad threads as well.
and finally:
5) Indeed warn/ban users that just denigrate others and never contribute, even if they have 3000+ posts, are korean, or are St-Peter sitting at the right of Jesus Christ in Heaven? There's indeed a hell lot of them in every forum and they stiffle conversation on everything that matters and discourage others from posting, but they pass under the radar somehow.
Thank you moderators for your work. But we ungrateful users indeed expect more. 
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On January 01 2009 12:28 onepost wrote:
1) Perhaps moderators shouldn't ban each other to begin with? That would help tremendously.
On January 01 2009 11:43 H wrote:
torn down by idiots
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suggestion:
1) give me the power to ban
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On January 01 2009 12:51 thedeadhaji wrote:
2) the sc2 forum is so bad that most mods dont even read it. That's why it's so bad - because the quality is so trash that pple don't want to read it to begin with, and hence the trash doesnt get thrown out
Kennigit does read it. He even makes threads.
3) i respectfully disagree is all. There used to be only 1 and 2 week bans, and they were difficult to use because we couldn't easily slap someone on the wrist without knocking them unconscious, per se.
That's exactly the point that I'm trying to make. But you can disagree with that; I'm quite the radical type.
4) how would you go about implementing such a thing? 
The same as for terms of service on most websites, upon creation of a new user account. Write in big bad bold something like: "Read the guidelines carefully before you post anything. Infringers may be banned without warning." Sound scary enough.
5) I think we just may need more mods
I totally agree.
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On January 01 2009 12:51 thedeadhaji wrote:
1) no comment
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On January 01 2009 09:13 Ack1027 wrote:I've never been one to openly blame TL's staff for how they run the show, but lately the users/forums have been almost unbearable for me. I've been debating whether or not to ask something like this for a while and I guess the thread that finally pushed me past the breaking point was: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85129I've been here a long time and I realize there are ' phases ' and ' stupid threads ' that pop up every now and then but personally, I can't find an explanation for the past 3 months or so and how people get by with stupid shit. There's a handful of users that I am dumbfounded by how they have over 3000 posts and cannot believe they haven't been banned for stupidity yet. I won't name names since that's not my biggest complaint, but to try and illustrate my point I've also contemplated asking TL admins on MSN to just ban my account so I don't have to look at stupid shit anymore. There's quality so I still come here every day I'm on the computer [ multiple times ] but there's starting to be so much shit that its ALMOST worth it to just prevent myself from coming to see 1 speck of quality. So the only logical theory that I've come up with is that there aren't enough/good moderators. Again I won't name names but one of the mods I have no earthly idea how the fuck he ever got blue. It's like, TL has a tradition of picking out great minds to be leaders so its like duck duck duck fugly goose <---- wtf? So is it just me? Do I just need to take a break? I finally got the hint when I started getting worked up over shit people post on TL which never really happened before. I would literally say to myself ' how dumb can you be ' Disclaimer: I know shit is busy. This isn't the greatest time to ask, probably won't get addressed fully etc but I figured might as well do it now. I also realize TL gets this kinda question/thread often but I really like this site and I think the amount of dumb activity over the past couple months has warranted something like this. Its like the purge never really happened.....
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
wtf was that quote for...
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Yea, I've noticed that the post quality has gone down a lot too. There are a lot of people that don't think before they post. Compared to before, the standard for posting has fallen a lot. I think the solution, like mentioned before, is more moderators. The current mods are too few and have real lives to deal with and can't read every thread. To make up for that, we need to add some mods to keep the strict policies that TL advocates.
edit: posts like the one 2 posts above me add no content to the thread whatsoever, but it's hard to moderate that much without reading every thread.
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Osaka27180 Posts
ok, lemme get back to you on this tomorrow.
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On January 01 2009 13:50 thedeadhaji wrote:
wtf was that quote for...
Notice that I had changed the link.
Seriously, WTF are you doing clicking on a thread which says Warning: Adult Link anyway Ack1027 and then bitching about it?
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On January 01 2009 15:07 Wolverine wrote:Notice that I had changed the link. Seriously, WTF are you doing clicking on a thread which says Warning: Adult Link anyway Ack1027 and then bitching about it?
You still added nothing to the thread.
FrozenArb does mod the SC2 forum but he is a softy.
I agree with the OP, I've been lurking quite a while and only started posting in June/July(?) and one thing I've noticed is that the quality of feedback and threads has decreased significantly from my lurking days. Good advice is constantly shut down by random noobs in the strategy forum and there are countless people who do nothing but insult and act like idiots. I have seen so many people quote a thorough post and then say something like "ur a retard" and I find it really offensive.
Admittedly I haven't always been the best poster but I do make an effort to remain politically correct and keep some class instead of flaming for nothing.
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