EPT[?]Too much stress on moderators? - Page 2
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On January 01 2009 15:07 Wolverine wrote: Notice that I had changed the link. Seriously, WTF are you doing clicking on a thread which says Warning: Adult Link anyway Ack1027 and then bitching about it? ................god damnit. but yeah... i read the sc2 forum when i first came here. but now i just read some opening posts and skip the comments. it reminds me of youtube, where the videos are just plagued by hundreds of shitty comments. frozenarbiter needs to be more of a hardass :p edit: and like 50% of general threads start out well, good op w/ nice info, then it turns into a shitstorm of personal insults and dumb arguments. | ||
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New Zealand6138 Posts
On January 01 2009 15:07 Wolverine wrote: Seriously, WTF are you doing clicking on a thread which says Warning: Adult Link anyway Ack1027 and then bitching about it? This is the most ignorant, juvenile justification for a shitty thread I've seen in a while. Actually, I guess it's been about an hour since I read gearitup's explanation for his mama joke thread. | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On January 01 2009 12:51 thedeadhaji wrote: 5) I think we just may need more mods  Pick me, pick me  !Seriously, why not have another purge? I think the last one helped a bit. Speaking of which, if any of you think my posting is sub-par, let me know and I will | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
It used to be the forums that kept people at TL and now its just the features | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27155 Posts
On January 01 2009 16:39 fusionsdf wrote: honestly, the part that really kills me is that when it comes to features, TL has improved so much its scary. We never used to have youtube vods (and often not a stream), no final edits, no TL:A or any of that. It used to be the forums that kept people at TL and now its just the features And now no one even says thank you | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Don't worry LosingID you weren't the blue name I was talking about. You contribute a lot and its good to see you on staff ^^ I heard you live in GA now? We should hang out sometime. I guess people will always feel my sentiment about the posting the past few months, but really I feel like a lot of the posts I read nowadays are unbearable...... It's kinda like.....why do I bother even thinking before I post if people can get away with posting a question that was answered one page or even one post before them....I respect this place and the people who run it enough to think before I post. I was kinda paranoid tbh that people wouldn't respond and I thought I would just be shooting blanks but to be completely honest it was refreshing to hear from people like haji and zulu who used to be staff and were demoted/removed yet their posts are thousands of times better than the people I was referring to in my OP. Sc2 is coming soon and there's gonna be a huge influx of new users and I don't really want TL to become complacent because this is a really nice place to discuss higher level sc among other things..... On January 01 2009 14:07 Manifesto7 wrote: ok, lemme get back to you on this tomorrow. It was really nice being part of TL when you and Beyonder were active. Things around here were run a lot more solidly and I appreciated that very much. That's not to say I don't appreciate things now.....its just that under your administration I feel like there was more emphasis on poster quality. I look forward to your reply. I know there's a men in red [ MiR ] forum and all that.......but if I could be so bold to suggest maybe you start looking harder/or for more moderators to lighten the load so TL can continue to improve that would be awesome. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
its not like we're trying to be whiny and say TL isnt good enough. Its almost 2AM and I'm going to be watching starcraft and posting on TL for at least a couple more hours. I really like the way TL has developed. This is more railing on bad posts than anything. I know a lot of veterans dont visit general and certainly don't visit starcraft 2 (although I personally dont think that forum is 'bad' because of a lack of moderation, it has to do with a lack of topics to discuss and just overall a lack of good posts/posters. I know the 'veterans' aren't perfect, but at least theoretically they should be decent posters. And when they start avoiding entire subforums out of frustration its a bad sign. Maybe its just that TL has so many people now and a lot of big names inactive/semi-active that its lost its close knit feeling. The main point is that bad posts feed bad posts. | ||
thedeadhaji
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onepost
Canada297 Posts
I did, but since you didn't notice: Thank you again. Seriously, I care much less about features than the climate; what's the point of features if you don't even want to read, let alone post? It's so bad, you can't say anything without being called a troll/ignorant/idiot/faggot/etc. We need better moderation or TL will just become another slashdot. I'll gladly help if I must. | ||
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HonestTea
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On January 01 2009 19:24 thedeadhaji wrote: the biggest factor that makes many of us cringe and cry out for help regarding the current state of the boards, is because we know how it used to be and are appalled at how it is now. i only came here like 9 months ago, i think, and back then it was really awesome. but a lot of it has really declined (general forum turning into 95% shitstorm) | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
The blogs section is, to most veterans at least, a no-holds-barred general, essentially. You can post about anything, unless it is just completely retarded, and moderation is much more lax. Basically blogs is run not by moderation but by popularity, since blogs come and go so quickly that crap blogs will quickly find themselves with <4 replies on the second page of blogs, and essentially, without mod intervention, the blog closed itself. Now you would think that the no-holds-barred mentality of blogs would lead to the betterment of general, not the degradation of it, but it obviously hasn't, and I think I know why. People, before making a thread, have to decide where it goes. SMART people, thinking the thread may be controversial in some way, will default to blogs. But SMART people, generally, don't make crap threads, so wherever their threads go, they will most likely not be crap. Their decision is also made easier by the fact that blogs has essentially become its own sub-community, and everybody seems to know/like each other. However, DUMB people are not burdened with a well thought out decision as to where their thread's home should be, so they post wherever and whenever they feel like, clicking post amid a flurry of 'shooping da whoops' and 'a chargin their lazers'. This being said, they often post in general. I believe there is only one solution: (This is only partially a joke, btw) 1. Send a 6-pack of redbull to chill. 2. Make it so that he can only surf the general and sc2 forums until he acrues 100 bans. 3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 when necessary. | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Edit: No, I take that back....Posts like Wolverine's: On January 01 2009 15:07 Wolverine wrote: Notice that I had changed the link. Seriously, WTF are you doing clicking on a thread which says Warning: Adult Link anyway Ack1027 and then bitching about it? make me wonder how he's still around. I mean, really? His logic is that I shouldn't click topics like the one I linked? Ok dude....let's not delete a pile of shit and just let it stink the rest of the forums. I don't fucking understand how people with logic like this are allowed to post on TL. I miss times when Rekrul or Mensrea would just ban posters like that on the spot. One incredibly dumb mistake and poof you're gone. Its like, SURE WOLVERINE please advise me on how I should navigate through the forums. Clearly your -200 post count and whatever forum-lurking time is greater than my time spent here. On January 02 2009 09:43 Night[Mare wrote: we just need better posters. There's lots of new registrations and most of them are shitty users. For example i havent seen cow post in a while t.t. My complaint was more about the existing user base. I can name a few people who, from my understanding of TL rules and policy in the past, should have been banned long ago. These people have thousands, even 10k+ posts. This isn't the main issue....but it bothers me either A) that I don't understand TL policy/have no grasp on what is accepted or B) I'm just wrong and these people are actually fine....they are the ' vets ' now that new users model posting behavior after. Whatever it is, either A or B [ unknowingly maybe even C or D ] it kinda frightens me to think I've been here several years and I don't know what's going on. Anyway the existing user base was my main issue, since new registrations are bound to happen since the sc community has its ups and downs. My offer at solving this problem was more/better mods? | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36383 Posts
The problem isn't identifying this, we know this. The problem is finding competent moderators. TL has been built through a process of trust where reasonable, competent moderators were promoted. The judgment of admins doing the promoting has been very deliberate, conservative, and for the most part, uncannily accurate. We haven't promoted a moderator that's been a mistake (yet, knocks on wood). Since we have a policy of "Mod for life" we have to be very selective in our choices, and it's difficult finding someone who is both active and has good enough judgment. Finally, I think a user-initiative toward better posting is required. Veterans need to band together and try to clean up the forums by example. Moderators banning and warning simply isn't enough, you need your peers to act a certain way and then the new posters will follow. Authority telling you that you need to change doesn't promote good behavior in the same way. Top-down progress will happen at a glacial pace, but it'll happen if enough people try. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On January 02 2009 05:36 Nitrogen wrote: i only came here like 9 months ago, i think, and back then it was really awesome. but a lot of it has really declined (general forum turning into 95% shitstorm) Yeah I really never really read past the first page of a general forum. Usually by the time one of those threads gets to like page 10 its either just massive flame spamming or Inc owning some forum newb. Would especially like some more moderation of LR threads, so many bm noobs spam those threads. I hate to see someone get to their 1000th post just spamming "Wtf is all this nonsense about Reach, I think it is pretty gay." @HB: Micronesia for a mod? Sudden rash of spam threads TT. Wtf is happening... | ||
Chill
Calgary25989 Posts
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
On January 02 2009 10:32 Hot_Bid wrote: I agree we need more moderators. A lot of our old guard are growing up and have more pressing time constraints. Also, many of our mods are actively involved in the expanding TL features, so they have less time to simply browse and moderate. The problem isn't identifying this, we know this. The problem is finding competent moderators. TL has been built through a process of trust where reasonable, competent moderators were promoted. The judgment of admins doing the promoting has been very deliberate, conservative, and for the most part, uncannily accurate. We haven't promoted a moderator that's been a mistake (yet, knocks on wood). Since we have a policy of "Mod for life" we have to be very selective in our choices, and it's difficult finding someone who is both active and has good enough judgment. Finally, I think a user-initiative toward better posting is required. Veterans need to band together and try to clean up the forums by example. Moderators banning and warning simply isn't enough, you need your peers to act a certain way and then the new posters will follow. Authority telling you that you need to change doesn't promote good behavior in the same way. Top-down progress will happen at a glacial pace, but it'll happen if enough people try. Does that mean we have to start making effort again? | ||
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