• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:32
CEST 01:32
KST 08:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers14Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid24
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
Data needed ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions ASL21 General Discussion Pros React To: ASL S21, Ro.16 Group C BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Diablo IV Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1255 users

[G] TvP 10 second faster FD rush

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
December 25 2008 02:43 GMT
#1

As promised, I’m doing a couple translations off of Pgr21 (as inspired by SuperJongMan and Super 2 fac). I didn’t realize this was so short, so I’ll do another one after.

Here is the original thread:
http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/zboard.php?id=daku&page=2&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=1642

Here is the translation:

This is a build that Hwasin showed us on bnet attack

In this build, the first tank comes out about 10 seconds faster than a normal FD build.

In the replay, the tank comes out at 4 minutes 9 seconds.

The build order goes like this:
9.5 supply
10 barracks
10 gas
From here, constant SCVs and get a bunch of marines like in a normal FD.

Here’s the timing from the protoss perspective: In a 1 gate build, if they got a zealot, they will be moving out of their entrance with 3 dragoons at 4:21 into the game. Thus, the 10 second faster first tank gives this rush a large advantage.

I’m everyone knows what to do after this with an FD… take an expo, micro well to push toss back into his main, mine up his natural. *translation end*

I thought this was interesting, should give some unsuspecting tosses a run for their money even if they know what’s coming… just not WHEN 
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
December 25 2008 02:51 GMT
#2
Thanks OMin, though I'm quite curious as to how much this hurts a terran's economy compared to a 12/12 or 11/11 FD. Are there any notes in the comments about this?
~o~ I have returned
dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
December 25 2008 02:55 GMT
#3
thanks for the translations
keep it up it is much appreciated
Xstatic
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States765 Posts
December 25 2008 03:06 GMT
#4
As a protoss player, I endorse this guide.

More anti-protoss guides would be nice; we need to improve our micro!
Snow - Protoss the way it was meant to be, one mindgame at a time ^^
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
December 25 2008 03:07 GMT
#5
i am hoping for a tvz next. theres gotta be an awesome full fledged tvz guide there.
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
December 25 2008 03:17 GMT
#6
Fuck I feel so guilty for saying this, but the OP in PGR21 is followed by IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS.

For example, to get the add-on as fast as possible, you're suppose to shift-click mineral with the scv that's going to build the factory; otherwise, it might waste valuable 2-5 seconds.

I will have time to translate in Feb (after mid-terms) but then there will be too much to translate -_-.

So please, although I (and probobly rest of TL) appreciate this, translate the follow-up discussions as well.
Stuck.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
December 25 2008 03:18 GMT
#7
Wow, 10 seconds? Geez. [no sarcasm btw]
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
December 25 2008 03:21 GMT
#8
On December 25 2008 12:18 Seraphim wrote:
Wow, 10 seconds? Geez. [no sarcasm btw]


GG imba Terran?
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
December 25 2008 03:35 GMT
#9
On December 25 2008 12:21 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2008 12:18 Seraphim wrote:
Wow, 10 seconds? Geez. [no sarcasm btw]


GG imba Terran?

For real, isn't being the best race in Starcraft enough for you greedy fucks?
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 03:43:11
December 25 2008 03:43 GMT
#10
On December 25 2008 12:17 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Fuck I feel so guilty for saying this, but the OP in PGR21 is followed by IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS.

For example, to get the add-on as fast as possible, you're suppose to shift-click mineral with the scv that's going to build the factory; otherwise, it might waste valuable 2-5 seconds.

I will have time to translate in Feb (after mid-terms) but then there will be too much to translate -_-.

So please, although I (and probobly rest of TL) appreciate this, translate the follow-up discussions as well.


I'm a super slow reader when it comes to Korean, I was born in cali and lived there all my life... it would take me forever to get through the discussions
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
December 25 2008 06:36 GMT
#11
thanks again for translating these, this is awesome
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
December 25 2008 07:34 GMT
#12
On December 25 2008 12:35 selboN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2008 12:21 Archaic wrote:
On December 25 2008 12:18 Seraphim wrote:
Wow, 10 seconds? Geez. [no sarcasm btw]


GG imba Terran?

For real, isn't being the best race in Starcraft enough for you greedy fucks?

let's not turn this into a race wars thread. If it's that imbalanced, you would think to just switch races? =O
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
December 25 2008 11:18 GMT
#13
This strategy is too weak economically. And the tank is only out 5 seconds earlier than with the standard 4.14 tank FDBuild.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 25 2008 11:55 GMT
#14
10 seconds (if executed perfectly) for a build that might cost you 2 scvs is not what I'm looking for.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
December 25 2008 12:26 GMT
#15
omfg so THATS what it is >_> I fucknig hate that build
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 25 2008 12:45 GMT
#16
On December 25 2008 12:17 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Fuck I feel so guilty for saying this, but the OP in PGR21 is followed by IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS.

For example, to get the add-on as fast as possible, you're suppose to shift-click mineral with the scv that's going to build the factory; otherwise, it might waste valuable 2-5 seconds.

I will have time to translate in Feb (after mid-terms) but then there will be too much to translate -_-.

So please, although I (and probobly rest of TL) appreciate this, translate the follow-up discussions as well.

I thought that you always shift-click everything but the supply depot SCV's...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
losso
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Bulgaria158 Posts
December 25 2008 12:58 GMT
#17
upmagic did this is some Spirit game on bluestorm, i remember it very well... artosis spoke about it.. it's not really new
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
December 25 2008 13:25 GMT
#18
this build feels like worthless taken out of it's "context"..

I mean if one really feels like the opponent and the map is needy for a marginal faster rush then usual then yes,, but that feels like something you worry about at pro level..

For me getting the timing just right might not be happening all that often so that means like 5-10 sek gain...

hrmm.. it's just no good to me
[Fin]Vittu
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada507 Posts
December 25 2008 15:11 GMT
#19
On December 25 2008 12:17 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Fuck I feel so guilty for saying this, but the OP in PGR21 is followed by IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS.

For example, to get the add-on as fast as possible, you're suppose to shift-click mineral with the scv that's going to build the factory; otherwise, it might waste valuable 2-5 seconds.

I will have time to translate in Feb (after mid-terms) but then there will be too much to translate -_-.

So please, although I (and probobly rest of TL) appreciate this, translate the follow-up discussions as well.


wait when my scv is building my factory, i click on my scv ( green circle) and then i press shift + left click on mineral patch nothing seems to happen, nor does anything happens when i right clic. could u explain please
The "Finnish Metal Terran"
Flopgun
Profile Joined August 2005
Germany274 Posts
December 25 2008 15:17 GMT
#20
thx for translation
Jaedong fighting
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft330
SpeCial 296
ProTech138
CosmosSc2 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 616
Dota 2
monkeys_forever790
League of Legends
Doublelift3884
Counter-Strike
minikerr8
Other Games
summit1g11390
tarik_tv4693
shahzam542
C9.Mang0385
Maynarde70
Trikslyr47
Mew2King43
ViBE30
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick736
BasetradeTV262
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 67
• musti20045 27
• davetesta15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1037
• Scarra571
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
28m
Escore
10h 28m
RSL Revival
17h 28m
Big Brain Bouts
17h 28m
PiG vs DeMusliM
Reynor vs Bunny
Replay Cast
1d
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 11h
Ladder Legends
1d 15h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 15h
BSL
1d 19h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
Ladder Legends
2 days
BSL
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-22
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.