EPTTL Mafia 3 [Night 5]
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On October 25 2008 18:34 MYM.Testie wrote: BANNED FROM LAST GAME FOR WORKING WHILE DEAD Y/N? It's ok I'm pretty sure plexa will die either first night or first lynch  | ||
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I think there are two options right now. 1)Lynch Folca. This gives us so much information it's ridiculous. If he comes up as a detective we know Ace is mafia and we stop a mafia scheme, all the stuff Folca has been saying is good about how he found Ace out etc. If he pops red then while still unsure about Ace's allegiance we just killed a mafia and stopped a scheme. 2)Lynch based on clues and see what mafia do tonight. If they kill him, well, yeah. If they don't, we get more info from him and then lynch him to see if he's dt or not. Not sure which I would go for atm. Probably 1. | ||
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Also from my experience as mafia in the previous game we should look for people who are offering to help, but never actually do something, they're perpetually busy, have school, just came home from work etc and need to read the thread to catch up before they do anything, and then never do anything. And one more thing. If Folca is a dt, why did he blow the whistle on Ace so early? I mean, it's the first vote, chances of us getting a lynch right aren't too high, it's not like if Ace is mafia that he could mislead us too much, it wouldn't have much of an effect. It would have been immeasurably better for Folca to gather more and more information and then release it all in a big thing. Then when mafia kill him because they wouldn't want a detective to still be running loose his info is confirmed and he's been pretty useful. This is becoming the equivalent of a mental dump so I'll leave it at that. Suffice to say my impression is that Folca is lying. EDIT: ## I vote to lynch Folca | ||
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losing a dt doesn't equal killing a mafia because they don't lose killing power is incredibly flawed. Let me put it this way. If he is a dt and we lynch ace, he dies tonight, 100% guaranteed. There won't be any extra information to get, because he will be dead. If he isn't a dt, we just killed a mafia because I don't believe a townie is gonna be that stupid to roleclaim detective and accuse someone who has an important a role as ace. Yes I'm saying ace has a role, it's not one of roles listed in the OP, it's a meta role. Ace will say something and people will listen. This is important to have, even if it is a double edged sword (If he's wrong... or mafia). If he is mafia, we find out if folca flips blue. And vigilantes or we kill him the next day. If Folca flips red, we still don't have confirmation on ace, but it looks better for him. To emphasis this again. If we don't kill folca today, and Ace flips red, he dies tonight. Any argument for getting extra information is flawed. | ||
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On November 04 2008 09:25 Folca wrote: Bockit, this is where the whole "Lynch Decaf" stigma came from, if we lynch ace we risk losing a valuable player, I admit that. If we lynch me and I am in fact a detective we have effectively done the mafia's job for the night, since if they wait and don't kill me in the night I get to check out another player and there are already some good suspects. So the chances are we would get 2 mafia from losing myself The thing you said about the whole clue information is true, I agree. But clue information does not equal me getting to check one more person. Plus you IGNORE the fact that if I am indeed a detective theres a huge chance the mafia will kill me anyway, before I get to check another person. Meaning my true colors will be revealed, and well. If the mafia for some unknown reason doesn't kill me. Then you can always lynch me the next day. Please see my previous post, I just explained why we should lynch you based on the thing you just said I ignore. At the moment the fact that you are a detective or not is worthless. If you are a detective, you are going to die before you can use your ability again. If you aren't a detective, then everything you've said gets to be used in looking for more mafia. (All your accusations etc). EDIT: Actually your first point doesn't work out. If we lynch ace and he flips red, there is no way mafia will keep you alive this night. Detective is the most dangerous role for them. There won't be any extra information because you will be dead. | ||
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Part of that lesson means not to trust jimtudor. I mean, a confirmed mafia calls him out as a veteran who pm'd him And then he comes in all shamefaced "yeah ace was right" And then somewhere along the lines we're supposed to pm this guy our roles? Yeah.... good plan. | ||
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On November 07 2008 15:03 Jimtudor wrote: And certainly not roles, i never said that. If you do, I just said analysis or anything you want to say anonymously. Why would anyone pm their roles to me. Sorry my bad, looks like I misinterpreted what you meant by pming your info. | ||
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## I vote for Ace | ||
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On November 09 2008 08:03 Spike wrote: sorry not a part of the game and haven't read all 69 pages but... Can someone tell me why you would vote for Folca (said to be detective) to be killed before Ace (said to be mafia)? Logically speaking, it doesn't make much sense if you think about it; either way, a mafioso will be killed, but you'll have your "Detective" for at least another day. Did Ace spin it or something? Or did someone think that they could be both mafia and trying to string along the town? <-- though this seems a little convoluted. Because if Folca was legitimately a dt then he was dead that night anyway. If Folca flipped blue then we have lost nothing cos he would have died. If he flipped red then Ace looks a little better. If we lynched Ace, could have been an important blue, could have been mafia, could have been green. Less loss by killing Folca imo. | ||
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Don't really know which situation we have here but here are my thoughts: These are all situations where we lynch fanatacist 1) Real dt pm'd fusion, fusion is town-aligned, fanatacist is mafia We kill fanatacist, he pops red 2) Real dt pm'd fusion, fusion is mafia, fanatacist is mafia. Fusion is in a sore spot, but he has to call out fanatacist because if he doesn't dt knows he's mafia too, meaning that the dt can pm someone else now knowing 2 mafia (or reveal it himself) 3) Fusion is mafia, fanatacist is town-aligned It makes no sense to do this, mafia have been losing a lot of numbers and to lose another like this would be a stupid move (ie we lynch fanatacist today and he pops town, we obviously kill fusion the next day...) 4) Fusion is townie got pm'd by mafia (not dt), fanatacist is town-aligned. More likely than 3, but still a stupid move by mafia, because if we lynch fanatacist and he pops town, simply get fusion to tell us who pm'd him during the night cycle before he can die the next morning. Sorry fanatacist, 1 and 2 are much more likely than 3 and 4 in my books, it just doesn't make sense for them to pull 3 and 4 as they're just asking to lose more members (when they need them the most right now...). EDIT: ## I vote for fanatacist | ||
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On November 10 2008 12:40 fanatacist wrote: And what if you are a Mafia and the name of the DT is another townie (hopefully a blue), so when I turn up green (since you know I'm not Mafia), you make everyone lynch the supposed DT, who will also turn up green/blue. Kind of a beneficial circumstance, especially if someone trusted you early on like they trusted Ace and PM'd you information on our roles. Here is what I suspect is happening: DT PMs fusionsdf, tells him he is DT. Tells him the roles of people he has checked. Whether he checked me or not is unimportant, fusionsdf knows that I am definitely green/blue because HE is Mafia. fusionsdf makes this post claiming that I am a Mafia. Everyone supports it because OH MA GAWD BANDWAGON BASED ON FUSIONS' WORD LAWL. I get lynched, turn up green. fusionsdf can't be blamed by the town, since he was just the mouthpiece, right? So, fusionsdf reveals the name of the DT, DT gets lynched. Turns up blue. The town realizes they have been fucked in the ass because they lost a DT and a townie in exchange for 1 Mafia, over a (probably, assuming no vigi intervention) 2 day period. Mafia has the same KP this whole time, whittling down the town. In the end, the town has wasted 2 lynches and killed only 1 Mafia. Mafia wins, gg no re. Are you all really so blind in your bandwagon that you can't see this? Except if the dt is legit and pm'd fusion and fusion is mafia then the dt is dead anyway as nobody knows his name for paramedics to save and mafia will definitely kill him tonight. If this is the scenario the dt is lost anyay so it's just tossing up between you and fusion. That said, this situation is so implausible it's not funny. Why would a REAL dt (because this situation you're describing requires a REAL dt) pm a random townie with FALSE information (which is what is required if you are green/blue as per the circumstances you describe), he is risking everything for NO GAIN (town lynches a blue/green instead of a red) and also his own life when he is so important. | ||
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On November 10 2008 12:51 fanatacist wrote: You misunderstand. A real DT PM'd him about some finding he had, trusting fusionsdf to be his mouthpiece (without rolechecking HIM first, obviously, kind of like how people PM'd Ace). Fusions is a Mafia, and finds out that _____ is a DT. He puts out false information to stall the town's lynches, get rid of a DT, and a green/blue (me) at the same time. After what happened with Ace, is it really so hard to imagine? Come on Bockit, I thought you would understand at least the theory behind this. I misinterpreted what you meant then. Except again, you're missing something important there. The real dt can now speak up. In fact, if this is the case (that fusion is a mafia and is putting forward the false name), I ask for the dt to speak up so that we don't lose a green/blue. If this is the correct scenario, you are going to die anyway (fusion is a mafia and you are now known as a dt). If this happens (the dt who pm'd fusion calls out fusion as a liar), you're clean fanatacist. I have my doubts at this stage. | ||
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On November 10 2008 12:52 fanatacist wrote: FanatIcism, maybe. Fanatacist, no. It's a bastardization of a Russian word that me and my friends used as a band name back in the day. Why do people keep using this argument of what their names *actually* mean, to them. How you interpret your name is completely irrelevant to how Chuiu interprets it. he doesn't know the backstory, he might only see a word that looks very similar to fanaticist. You're not the first to do this too. The clue is pretty damning. | ||
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edit: eg, if chuiu started posting clues about buckets I'd be a little worried. | ||
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