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Actually posting this from my phone just before going to sleep, off to a great start. | ||
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On January 27 2016 01:28 nooniansoong wrote: it's either alur or ikidomari Don't lynch me yo! | ||
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On January 27 2016 03:34 Shapelog wrote: Dang, this guy is good. First he makes us believe that he has replied to the Confirmation PM but using thread presence. Than pushs the sus. towards Alur and Ik. who have been lurking. Than Kush pushs his agenda for him and cleans his hands. If it wasn't for Prince LoneMeow's Red check I might of pushed your agenda too So triggered right now. | ||
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First mafia game anywhere ever for me, should be fun. Got interested from watching the Dota 2 community mafia streams. Also casually ghosted a few of the recent games on TL. My observations as of right now: 1. Shapelog is the most scummy player to me. Reason A: Announcing you have some sort of tell on a player(noon), before he has even posted seems like a really bad idea. If hes mafia he can now attempt to replicate his his VT play from "the last two games", and even if he doesn't do "the tell" he'll be more prepared to defend himself from Shapelog. Reason B: He was the first to bring up the possible setups. Before the game started I considered if there would be any merit for town to discuss setups on D1, and I concluded that talking about it before anyone had claimed anything would be probably be useless. Bringing up useless stuff doesn't further the town agenda. Although the fact that he's done all this so fast is a little confusing. 2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien. He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs). 3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times: On January 27 2016 06:43 darthfoley wrote: he did help successfully defend me from a lynch that game tho so shoutouts to you kush Going forward: Talk about other players. On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote: Is anyone else here seeing a pattern? Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed. | ||
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I feel like I end up editing 50% of my posts online, guess I'll be EBWOPPING all game. Also Onegu seems intent on town not engaging in fruitless discussions. It seems towny, but I'm guessing any experienced mafia player would notice these types of town mistakes and try to capitalize for towncred. So I'm hesitant to townread him too much for it. | ||
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Do you have any scumreads? I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote: What could be wifom and why is it wifom? FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles. Why is it scummy to be casual? He already explained it I think. Firstly #2 states: "The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!" So yes, the mafia does know the setup. MexicanAlien posted: On January 27 2016 07:23 _MexicanAlien wrote: Yes why talk about blue roles? This could possibly give the scum information. This may or may not help them but we shouldn't unwittingly give them any more To me, this post suggests that MexicanAlien was not aware of the fact that mafia knows the setup. If he was mafia, he would know that mafia knew the setup. I think, it's WIFOM because it could be a gambit to make himself seem town. Regarding being casual: Not necessarily scummy, especially early on day 1. But when I look through his filter he seems too content on just making casual conversation (for my taste), but it's only as strong as any day 1 read can be, which is a caveat that I don't feel the need to post with my every read. I was also hoping for him to defend himself. Regarding the pattern: I don't think he explained it. He talks about a bunch of stuff after #235, but I can't tell if the observations he makes are different/unrelated to the pattern he claims to have seen in #235. | ||
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Looking forward to seeing more from the posters who have been inactive so far, maybe Eden will make his pretty looking early-game big post again? I should be back in 10 hours. | ||
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I'll start by addressing stuff that was directed towards me. On January 27 2016 12:28 Trfel wrote: Questions @Alur: How confident are you in Shapelog being mafia? Also, can you explain specifically what you didn't like/understand about PepperMintTea's post? Because I thought I understood it pretty well. @Nooniansoong: Which point are you referring to, and to what extent do you agree with it? @Onegu: What do you think about Shapelog's alignment, and why? How confident was I in Shapelog being mafia? Not super confident, even though he was the one exhibiting the most scummy behavior. My post was made early on day 1, and it was entirely plausible that he was being a reckless town player. But his play really stood out to me as not furthering town agenda, so I was giving my honest read of him. Regarding me considering shapelogs post wierd: A big part of it was probably simply the fact that her reads were at odd's with my own (she townread Shapelog, and she townread MexicanAlien for very different reasons). In addition to that there was the vague "I don't like how he phrased this as a question, but I can't really say why.", which struck me as a little odd. To be honest that fact that noon interrogated her and voted her probably influenced my opinion as well. Now a question to you Trfel, I don't understand why you'd ask the question directed towards noon. How the hell can you be unsure what point he's referring to? If you followed the conversation I feel it's very obvious that he's referring the point I initially made in my entry post, and elaborated on in #274. To me it conveys a lack of reading comprehension, since I've only really made one noteworthy point about MA. Here's the point: On January 27 2016 10:01 Alur wrote: MexicanAlien posted: To me, this post suggests that MexicanAlien was not aware of the fact that mafia knows the setup. If he was mafia, he would know that mafia knew the setup. I think, it's WIFOM because it could be a gambit to make himself seem town. And lastly, PepperMint, reading your post again you're right in that you didn't explicitly townread Onegu. So I misrepresented your position by saying you did. | ||
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As to my reason A for thinking Shapelog seemed scummy (which you didn't think made sense): You sort of answered this yourself here: On January 27 2016 15:47 darthfoley wrote: Ah I see what you mean. Meh, it's possible, but I find it unlikely to work because I doubt Kush would give a fuck regardless of his alignment, and Shapelog is all over the place so if I were mafia, I wouldn't be too scared of him (yet?). As Onegu says, mafia could be talking just to talk. I think it's scummy because I feel like it's such a stupid townplay to mention reads before a player has talked. I understand the argument of it being "too scummy to be actualy scum", which I attempted to convey by saying "Although the fact that he's done all this so fast is a little confusing." immediately after giving my two reasons for scumreading Shapelog. Regarding: On January 27 2016 13:53 darthfoley wrote: I'm a little put off by the fact that you felt like you needed to spend quite a bit of time on your entry post It's not an unreasonable thing for you to mention, but I put effort into my post, by explaining and sourcing my reads as well as I could. Admitting that I spent a long time on the post also seems like an unnecessary to say if I was mafia (I know it's WIFOM, but I feel it deserves mention.) | ||
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But this series of events seems strange to me: On January 27 2016 12:16 darthfoley wrote: I would agree that Onegu reads town for me so far. (This was in reply to Tumblewood when he upgraded Onegu to slight townread, and downgraded Trfel to null) Then Eden presents Onegu as his top suspect. Largely based on the same material that you townread Onegu on. Then you go on to say: On January 27 2016 16:26 darthfoley wrote: Yea I really like these posts from Eden. He's probably my strongest TR so far. Surely if you thought Onegu was town, you'd discuss the matter with Eden rather than just lauding his post. I for one think it's entirely plausible that Onegu is just asshole town. You look a little flip-floppy here. | ||
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On January 27 2016 22:42 Shapelog wrote: I don't like how this guy only post says that he has reasons to lurk and asking other people to give him questions. Idk, It might be town hearted because he seems to have good reasons to lurk for right now. Still if this guy doesn't post anything make sure you keep a eye on him, as i will be. To me that post was pretty NAI, obviously we should take note if he doesn't post anything, but I'd like to wait longer before insinuating that he's inactive scum. Don't see the benefit if bringing this up before his alibi runs out. | ||
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I disagree with people townreading Kuragari, if you look at his filter (which is short, so this is easy to verify), notice how his posts are based on reading into if people have referenced their alignment. Which is not terrible in and of itself, but it was something that Tumblewood introduced originally. It seems improbable, that a town player who reads up on the entire thread, ends up not really giving any meaningful original reads or opinions, and just piggybacks on Tumblewoods "allignment refence" tool. On that note, I'll be back this evening. | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:55 darthfoley wrote: 1. I said Onegu read town to me at the time, because when I posted that, he hadn't posted much, but it seemed focused on not talking about pointless bullshit. 2. Surely if I thought Onegu was town, I would discuss it with Eden, which is specifically why I posted: I addressed this very point. It was 2AM and Eden was going to bed soon, so I wanted to wait to address it today. 3. I townread Eden more for his town read of Shapelog rather than his scum read of Onegu. 4. If you had actually read my filter thoroughly, the three previous points would be rather straightforward. I wasn't flip-floppy. I agree that it's WIFOM to talk about your entry post, but I don't have much of a reason to TR you right now. The thing is, I think just reading the thread is enough to have an opinion on Edens read. So I would still have expected you to say something. In any case, I'd put you on null, since you've also done some towny stuff like call out Tumblewood for listing Trfel as possible town. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:06 Trfel wrote: Oh, you were joking. I liked this attitude  Also, I think someone had a question to me about my question to nooniansoong, I'm more than happy to answer it after nooniansoong answers. Answering now would defeat the purpose of my initial question. That was me. And no, answering my question would not defeat the purpose of your entire question to noon. You asked: On January 27 2016 12:28 Trfel wrote: Questions @Nooniansoong: Which point are you referring to, and to what extent do you agree with it? The question "Which point are you referring to" is absurd. Because I only made one point about MA in my conversation with noon. Noon would give the exact same answer, regardless if he was mafia or not. And no one would gain anything from it. The fact that you had to ask the question just makes me question your reading comprehension. Because if you were to read our exchange, it's blatantly obvious which point he's referring to. I can understand that you don't want to elaborate on the second part of the question, since it involves getting noon to clarify his opinion on the matter, which can arguably lead to useful information. Which you should probably push noon on, if you were legitimately interested in getting an answer. So from my point of view, you're either lazy town, or mafia attempting to look inquisitive. | ||
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