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The deadline is horrible for me again so /cohost
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On October 13 2015 18:16 Blazinghand wrote:
Made a change to the deadline just now
Well okay, this new one is good for me, so /in: Open.
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On October 13 2015 21:12 rsoultin wrote:
(also i don't actually randomize coaches cause i feel that newbies should get something out of their coaching...i'm pretty sure that bh does randomize. not 100% on that)
I've always tried to assign coaches that are on roughly the same timezone as the players and randomize with that constraint, since I feel it helps the communication (felt like that when I had coaches at least).
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On October 13 2015 23:39 rsoultin wrote:
and really, we tell these newbies oh you should try at scum, etc. etc. and half our vets can't be assed to and try to avoid coaching scum? it's kinda hypocritical, isn't it? certainly not showing a good example
Whether you would rather not coach the faction you suck at coaching has very little to do with trying far as I can see?
For someone like me who's definitely not up to par for scum coaching the only option would be not to coach at all until I can figure it out then - do we have such an abundance of coaches that only those who are good at both factions are enough?
It's not a question of "can be assed", it's a question of not wanting to sign up for a mentor role when lacking the skills for it...
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On October 14 2015 00:27 rsoultin wrote:
we're not asking coaches to be "good" at scum any more than generally we tell vets they can't coach newbies because they're not "good" enough at town...we're just asking you to be more experienced than a brand new player at playing scum which i think most people who think they're good enough to coach town can achieve, don't you?
I disagree that anyone "more experienced than a brand new player" is qualified to coach.
I also disagree that to be a coach you need to be "good at XXX" since coaching and playing are quite different.
And I do note that you said "most". I assume you mean that those who don't fit inside that should not coach at all, then?
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On October 14 2015 00:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 00:38 LoneMeow wrote:On October 14 2015 00:27 rsoultin wrote:
we're not asking coaches to be "good" at scum any more than generally we tell vets they can't coach newbies because they're not "good" enough at town...we're just asking you to be more experienced than a brand new player at playing scum which i think most people who think they're good enough to coach town can achieve, don't you?
I disagree that anyone "more experienced than a brand new player" is qualified to coach. I also disagree that to be a coach you need to be "good at XXX" since coaching and playing are quite different. And I do note that you said "most". I assume you mean that those who don't fit inside that should not coach at all, then? unless you want to put some sort of standards for who is qualified to coach on these games (and yes there are people who i'd want to coach new players over others, obviously...i make no bones about the fact that i don't see all coaches as equal and no i don't assume that the best players make the best coaches, though the majority of the time if you genuinely can't play the alignment and aren't just lazy as shit, you probably can't teach someone else to) then the first point is moot. if we're not actively preventing veterans from coaching then it doesn't matter and anyone with more knowledge than 0 is better than nothing
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then.
I'll just refrain from coaching at all until I feel qualified to coach both (all?) alignments.
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On October 14 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote:
in newbie games the biggest problem for both new town and mafia players is getting townread which really isn't much different from one alignment to the next
That may be, but that isn't what in my experience the newbies ask about, though. Pretty much all of my students have just been asking how to figure out alignments of others.
Also since my way of getting townread is heavily related to showing that you're trying to solve the game, it's a bit hard to advice that to someone who genuinely isn't trying to solve the game...
On October 14 2015 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
btw i'm not really following, do we have a problem with not enough coaches in general? what's the shindig?
Nope. We're having a problem with everyone who only wants to coach a specific alignment being lazy (rather than incompetent which I'd much rather admit being because it's true).
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On October 14 2015 01:27 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah that's not actually what Im saying lonemeow. I'm arguing against the idea that coaching newbie players is inherently different between alignments at the starting lvl. If being a town coach is about good reads then yes there are a lot of underqualified coaches myself included
See, it's not about good reads either, it's about giving advice that can lead to reads. I'll freely admit that I can't put most of the advice I give as coach into practice myself.
There's also all the overall strategy aspect that goes with coaching the scum team that I don't really have a good idea on so I would not be qualified to help with that.
But as said, I'm not volunteering to coach anymore so don't worry.
And I'm sorry for getting a bit heated here, but you did call me lazy hypocrite for doing what I thought was doing the right thing so I hope you understand why I got a bit ruffled.
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On October 16 2015 20:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I swear if I roll VT again tho...
VT is best.
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GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?
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Actually,
##Vote: KelsierSC
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On October 18 2015 21:01 Rels wrote:
Would lynch: Shining, scott, KSC.
Care to expand your reasoning on scott31337?
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On October 18 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:(3) MoosyDoosy is being stupid, which isn't alignment indicative for him. But this post isn't good: + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2015 05:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I am bored. And i am trying to decide on a meta for this game. Should I go for the rayn townie that catches scum by looking back in the thread for inconsistencies and through hard questioning? Should I go for the rsoul townie that catches scum through relentless posts and tone reads? Or should I just go my idgaf mode and not care the whole game.
mmm...choices choices choices ... It's just a fluffy post that doesn't make sense. I can't understand what he means with "choosing a meta". There is no "choosing", you play the way you think is better or funnier, and your meta will be a consequence of it. Why is moosy considering "not caring for the game"? Again, it's just a post where he says nothing, and I don't like it. He answered me but I don't think it was satisfying.
This sounds like you'd be slightly scumreading him, but you listed him as null, why?
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On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
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On October 18 2015 21:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:45 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:(3) MoosyDoosy is being stupid, which isn't alignment indicative for him. But this post isn't good: + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2015 05:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I am bored. And i am trying to decide on a meta for this game. Should I go for the rayn townie that catches scum by looking back in the thread for inconsistencies and through hard questioning? Should I go for the rsoul townie that catches scum through relentless posts and tone reads? Or should I just go my idgaf mode and not care the whole game.
mmm...choices choices choices ... It's just a fluffy post that doesn't make sense. I can't understand what he means with "choosing a meta". There is no "choosing", you play the way you think is better or funnier, and your meta will be a consequence of it. Why is moosy considering "not caring for the game"? Again, it's just a post where he says nothing, and I don't like it. He answered me but I don't think it was satisfying. This sounds like you'd be slightly scumreading him, but you listed him as null, why? Because he does this kind of scummy things as town so I don't think I had enough to had a scum read on him
Can you point out a game for me to check where he's done something similar? I've never played with him so not familiar with his meta at all.
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On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong.
Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it.
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On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town?
I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that.
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On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking?
Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.
Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?
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On October 18 2015 22:12 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:
GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
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This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
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Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
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So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? well you managed to provoke a reaction in my brain were I'm convinced you're stupid. good job
Glad to serve!
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