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On July 04 2014 15:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes please. /in your'e a slave to palmer, in body and soul as well? He pm's and we flock around him o/ | ||
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On July 05 2014 01:36 Foolishness wrote: Got a cohost?  that's foolishnes way to flirt with you Palmar. It's like he's asking if you're up for a coffee at your place | ||
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Toadesstern
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So that being said I can somewhat guarantee you that I won't become a whiny emo bitch. But really only somewhat. Let's start with prplhz because he indeed is way to stiff for this game, especially in the very beginning. I agree with ... I think Vivax ... that he did sound unmotivated and down in his early posts. Combine that with posts like On July 07 2014 21:33 prplhz wrote: is has nothing to do with confidence or mentality but with an objective evaluation of the situation right now and he's easily #1 lynch target right now. If that post isn't some kind of super hard sarcasm that I'm not picking up on it's super "wtf is that guy even talking about" in a way that at the same time tries to sound reasonable / smart / whatever you want to call it. ##vote prplhz | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:14 Vivax wrote: Why should mafia sound unmotivated and down in their early posts. Why should they post at all if they are unmotivated and down when their objective is to look townie. This post is too confident about too little for my taste and doesn't deliver any explanation why that mindset makes prpl scum. Explain why mafia would sound like that or you're scum Toad. Why would Town post if they're unmotivated and down? - I don't have a clue. I'd say a townie wouldn't mind being a little afk early on because he's usually confident enough to at least look townish enough to not get lynched to the point that one's own judgement of the situation is usually vastly off the mark when playing town. Why would Mafia post if they're unmotivated and down? - Because that's the point of the game for mafia. They do not wish to contribute anything meaningful to begin with but have to look like they do. Posting while not feeling like it for mafia is what they're going to have to do all game long. On top of that, mafias usually are a lot more selfaware about when it comes about how something would make them look, assuming they're experienced enough to grasp the situation which prplhz is. So mafia doesn't want to be a lurker as mafia for the sake of not being a lurker. That's a completly different approach to a townie he's ACTUALLY posting because he feels like he has something on his mind. That's 2 reasons for mafia to do that and 0 reasons for a townie to do that. I could give you some reasons for a townie to do the same but that'd require some kind of trolling from his side to be true, which just isn't the case. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:21 Toadesstern wrote: Why would Town post if they're unmotivated and down? - I don't have a clue. I'd say a townie wouldn't mind being a little afk early on because he's usually confident enough to at least look townish enough to not get lynched to the point that one's own judgement of the situation is usually vastly off the mark when playing town. Why would Mafia post if they're unmotivated and down? - Because that's the point of the game for mafia. They do not wish to contribute anything meaningful to begin with but have to look like they do. Posting while not feeling like it for mafia is what they're going to have to do all game long. On top of that, mafias usually are a lot more selfaware about when it comes about how something would make them look, assuming they're experienced enough to grasp the situation which prplhz is. So mafia doesn't want to be a lurker [...] for the sake of not being a lurker. That's a completly different approach to a townie who's ACTUALLY posting because he feels like he has something on his mind. That's 2 reasons for mafia to do that and 0 reasons for a townie to do that. I could give you some reasons for a townie to do the same but that'd require some kind of trolling from his side to be true, which just isn't the case. EBWOP, 2 things typo'ed and changed in bold. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:26 Vivax wrote: Does prpl look like he was trying to contribute something meaningful? Frankly to me that looks more like it's the case with you, you don't try to figure him out first, but say that he's scum for 1. sounding down, 2. saying something that didn't make sense. How does that look like he's trying to contribute something meaningful. Imo mafia is more likely to pop into the thread with some hasty arguments as to why somebody is scum, like you. I think he looking out of place early on and way to stiff. That's what I observered. The "trying to post something" thing can be a reason for that. I can't tell you if that's what's happening though because as you said, it didn't look like he was ramping up the pace. About the last part: I'm sorry I'm trying to actually do something instead of circlejerking while talking about the weather or some .gif someone posted. We can all hold hands and pretend that we're all friends and ALL OF US are town until d2 hits but I usually like to start with gloves off to get something going right off the bat and refraining from covering my posts with a bunch of flowery terms usually does the trick. In no way did I say I want him instalynched. I said he's the best lynch right now. That might still be up for discussion and I might change my opinion on him based on what else I see about him or other people, who knows it's a couple hours into d1... Doesn't change the fact that he is the #1 lynch for me right now. On July 07 2014 23:27 Koshi wrote: Toad, imagine the next 12 people that post vote prplhz based on your case alone. How happy would you be with the lynch? Not happy at all | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote: My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town. prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads. I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting. Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die. ##Vote: Koshi What kind of reaction did you expect from me and why did you put this in there? 1) You tell me prplhz is like 99% confirmed town to you based on a metaread that I apparently either don't agree with or haven't picked up on yet 2) You state that you have a 99% confirmed town read on him and tell me about it 3) You are not able to or do not wish to explain said read on prplhz and thus leave it as it is So what's the point here? Do you actually want me to just go "oooh... right... I haven't got a read on you but if you say prplhz is 99% town without telling me why I'll just drop that and trust you"? If that's not the thing you want to achieve with that oneliner, why else mind putting it there? Doesn't seem like prplhz is getting all that much votes right now while at the same time Vivax apparently is going nuts about me. Why don't you just outline this a bit more and actually try to convince me that I'm wrong on prplhz? If you're town it's certainly not in your best interest to have townies trying to lynch other townies and you SHOULD try to do something about it, don't you think? On July 07 2014 23:51 Forumite wrote: k, I don´t care about townreads unless we´re close to the lynch. What conclusions? My read on Koshi? My read on prplhz? My thoughts on lynching early or risk a rushed lynch or a no lynch? Do you enjoy the voting frenzy 5 minutes before deadline followed by yet another town lynch, because I don´t. Your empty posts fill the thread and make it harder to read the thread and see posts of real value. It´s spamming and anti-town, which makes you scum, so you have to die. ehehe | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:02 mderg wrote: I don´t think that would be my mafia mindset. You scumread prplhz for basically no reason at all and explain it with some bullshit about mafia mindset, not convincing. how is that not your mindset as mafia? There's 2 options. You either go into the game actually helping town as mafia or you go into the game not helping town while trying to look like it. I don't see any other possible mindsets and I don't think the first one is all that frequent. So go ahead, explain your mindset about mafia that differes from "trying to look like a townie without actually helping town" | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:16 Forumite wrote: lol, you are voting for me because you think I´m using a tactic that you admit doesn´t make sense. Die scum! as you might have realized, unlike in my post about Prplhz I haven't actually voted you or called you #1 lynch for now. So sadly I do see a couple reasons for townies to state an unexplained read like that although I completly disagree with it. Why don't you answer prplhz and me and explain your read on him and why you included that one line and explain what you expected or wanted me to get from that line as it was clearly directed at me so that we can figure out which one it is. | ||
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However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote: Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:36 yamato77 wrote: Toad I think you're town but I don't trust you to come up with a single correct read : / thanks... I guess | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:56 Koshi wrote: Toad is some godly scum player then. Which he isn't. I remember him being scum somewhere and dieing D1. Totes town. inb4 Toad is really pissed because he won a scum award when there were still dinosaurs walking on earth. have you read the invitational game where Sand got lynched d1 and Marv and I myself raped the rest of town once I replaced in for... someone?  That was quite recent and yeah like VE said, I was considered to be one of the strongest mafia players on TL a while ago but I have had pretty much 2 years of pause inbetween and can't play against Marv when I'm mafia... anything else is fine! Other than that @you and VE: I have to admit I actually felt quite smart while putting together this mini-case on forumite and I liked it quite a lot. But his response is so damn ballsy that I want some more posts from him. He certainly has a huge ??? over his head but the fact that he is answering so ballsily makes me question the thing. Yes it could be that he's someone who didn't think about what he's posting and slipped. That does happen every 2nd blue moon or so, but at least for me when I'm playing mafia I am certainly always thinking about the things Koshi mentioned in his post and how it's more likely that he just slipped. This one + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=15#285 On July 08 2014 00:51 Vivax wrote: Idk, shouldn't he be townreading Toad based on what he said? Or where does he draw the line between a weak scumread on prpl and strong one when it comes to Toad? I mentioned the exact same thing and Koshi responded to it. Seeing as you agree, can you call me town? I like being called town. | ||
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On July 08 2014 01:53 kushm4sta wrote: NOPE. not looking at your role pm until n1 is neutral to a town wincon and greatly favors a scum wincon. Therefore it is to your advantage to do every game. unless you happen to be mafia and ACTUALLY figure out a crapton of buddies because you haven't looked in your pm and can't go back on that anymore because. I guess you're pretty sure that won't happen, right? | ||
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On July 08 2014 01:55 IAmRobik wrote: Toad, Your whole post is trying to say "forumite is too ballsy and for that I'm townreading him" but you're avoiding doing the latter at all costs. Why not just say something if you wanna say it. Why are you holding back nah, the whole point of the post is to explain that I've got two conflicting points about him. 1) the mini-case on him which certainly makes him look like he's not town 2) his reaction to all this, which does makes him look like town in my book I think both points are really good, at the least we've had a bunch of people stating that 1) is good so far, but most people ignore to give the 2nd one some thought, which makes it important enough to be pointed out. It's a post to get more opinions from people though. I'm not trying to get someone lynched with it. I want to hear what people make of it. | ||
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On July 08 2014 01:56 Vivax wrote: The day I call somebody town just for saying the same thing as me is the day I lose to mafia. Are you applying that reasoning to me to townread me or what? Since you're expecting me to do such a thing. obviously not because I said it first | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:04 IAmRobik wrote: The problem is that: seems like an illogical conclusion. The logical answer would be something along the lines of: "But his response is so damn ballsy that I kinda think he's town for it" then you can mentioned that you're conflicted and want him to post more I think his innitial posts make him mafia. I think his answere were to ballsy to come from a mafia which makes me lean on town had he been a 0-read earlier. He wasn't a null read. Those 2 things are not making sense together and I'm not mashing them together because they're not both just "a little right". One of those statements is going to be wrong and one is going to be correct. I don't know which one it is so far so no, I'm not going to call him town, why should I ? I need more information to figure out which one was incorrect about him. | ||
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If you're such a god that you don't ever question yourself 10 hours into the game and think everything you've said has to be correct, be my guest to take that stance but I won't. And I won't listen to a thing you say if you actually think that's how people should play mafia like. | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:23 IAmRobik wrote: That's not the point I'm making. I apprecaite you questioning yourself. I don't appreciate you dilly dallying around your feelings that he is town for the second part. You have ample opportunity in what you wrote to say "so i kinda lean towny on him for that, but still don't like his opening so meh, 50/50 and contiuing to reevaluate" But you didn't say that. You avoided calling him town for being ballsy and said "id like to hear more from him". whatever. it's something to think about you won't find me call people town unless it's to make sure they don't get lynched before a deadline. I'm probably the biggest critic of people giving townreads for no reason on TL. Literally. Go look up my games and I do always play in a way that describes my thought process in a somewhat... fluffy and volumesque way so to say. Makes it easier to read me and figure out wether my possible changes in attitude and reads make sense from your point of view because I'm actually talking about little details and what's going on in my head instead of giving one big post that summarizes my thoughts with some corny "lynch that, that and that". On the other hand it obviously is more to read, yes. If that's your beef with me, sorry that's not going to change and it's never going to get more obvious than this from me: On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote: exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol If I'd post any more concrete about things that make me lean town on people (on specific posts, not overall) I'd ask you to policylynch me on the spot because I'd be playing against everything I'm standing for... | ||
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