EPTIt has been a long, long time since I've done these and was missing them the other day, so I want to try my hand again.
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zarepath
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It has been a long, long time since I've done these and was missing them the other day, so I want to try my hand again. | ||
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1. Lots of early discussion about the two plans + Show Spoiler + He talked a lot about the two plans and asked others about them, and said so many things about them that people were mixing up which plan he was talking about. Not necessarily scummy in and of itself, but a very easy topic to talk about if you don't actually want to start making reads on people 2. Immediate attack on Wiley for blue claiming + Show Spoiler + This seemed like another very easy thing to do, but in his accusation he doesn't really explain why it's scummy, just that "it's all bad." It's easy to attack someone for being obviously contradictory without actually calling them scummy, and that's what he did. On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote Wile E His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad. I also dislike the sentationalism in this, "his little act," etc., especially in combination with a lack of explanation as to why this means he's scum. It reminds me of Mocsta scum from when I played with him a year ago. 3. Defensive tone + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand the question. Or the accusation. On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim. I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. On January 20 2014 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Kish look me in the balls and tell me you don't think that as town if I don't believe a claim that I wouldn't vote for it if I think it is scum. It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes? On January 20 2014 23:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Ski I'm literally ignoring your posts friend. If you have an actual accusation I'll respond to that. 4. Wishy-washy demeanor + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming. On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. On January 20 2014 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm giving benefit of the doubt where that its concerned...I had to go look again at the setup to remember myself when it was first mentioned. 5. Wants others to discuss things, not himself + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim. Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions. Yes, let's talk MORE about these plans On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim. I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. On January 20 2014 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Kish I'm open to suggestions. If you think someone is a better lynch then convince me. Its called playing Mafia! :D On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think? Note the lack of reasoning for his agreement, but the suggestion that others should talk about it 6. "Giving up" on his Wiley scum read and switching to a more convenient target + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying. I can give Slam more time I guess. ##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge Read: The more people disagree with me, the more I think I should stop pushing for his lynch. I will now randomly vote for someone somebody else made a case on without any further reasoning. Note that the entirety of this post is actually justifying why he is no longer voting for Wiley, and not at ALL why he is now voting for bumatlarge. VE is scummy in tone, content, and voting patterns, and my top scum read now. ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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zarepath
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On January 21 2014 03:40 kushm4sta wrote: ew get away from me jl ##unvote balla lol | ||
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On January 21 2014 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nobody is lynching you VE. Could you care to explain why VE is town despite him obsessing with everyone's opinions of him and blatant sheeping? I made a whole case about him which everyone has completely ignored in the middle of your penis-measuring contest with Artanis. | ||
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zarepath
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On January 21 2014 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Well lynch me then. I can't help a town unwilling to help themselves. Yes, since it's completely unreasonable for you to have to defend yourself against scum suspicions, right? Any town that would do that DESERVES to lose! | ||
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zarepath
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You have no problem with someone saying "Lynch me, then?" Martyrdom doesn't seem like a town trait to me | ||
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zarepath
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1) I simply have not had much time so far this game. Sundays are always my busiest days of the week (and this goes back to all of my games) and I barely had a chance to read the thread then, and today I've been doing family stuff b/c holiday and poking back in. My activity level should rise appropriately the rest of the week, but still probably not to The Game levels as I have another kid now and my schedule's tightened. I reject the notion that my "focus" on VE has been a simple parroting of other's comments, as that's not what I did at all. His switch to bum looked very suspicious and I did my own analysis of him, and that case was the result. My case was completely ignored and I HAVE tried to push it back into people's attention, so I think that's a mischaracterization. 2) You talk about me voting and pushing my scum reads as if this is a pattern I've established in this game, when I've had one main read that I've made a case on so far, and my analysis was more in-depth than essentially every argument leading up to a vote in this thread. I don't see how you consider my analysis of VE leading up to my vote on him as being worse than VE voting for bum, his only justification being... that it's okay that he's giving up on his earlier vote. | ||
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On January 21 2014 12:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not scummy -> scummy later on. yeah this dude is scum. Others have mentioned this but because it's addressed directly at me, let me just say that originally not calling his vote scummy doesn't mean it's not now part of a larger body of evidence for his scumminess. Crossfire's return does seem mostly self-serving and non-contributing to me. I want to know why kush thinks his explanation is so town and not scummy. | ||
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I still am suspicious of him but maybe that is bias, so I'm going to step back and renew my reads on everyone now. ##Unvote VisceraEyes | ||
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On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote: VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you. Followed by this: On January 21 2014 14:18 bumatlarge wrote: ##unvote You win. I'm not going to pursue this charade if no one else finds it worth while. If he did not ACTUALLY think he would never take his vote off without VE satisfactorily answering his questions (which is the case, as evidenced by him taking his vote off of him), what was the purpose of stating it in such a dramatic way? I'm thinking for appearance, which is actually backed up by the second quote, where he shares his rationale for dropping the vote, which is purely because of what everyone else thinks. The ideal townie would pursue his read no matter what, but a non-ideal townie isn't necessarily scum. What shouts scummy to me is the transparent motivation of focusing on how everyone else perceives his arguments, and not on his arguments themselves. | ||
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zarepath
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##Vote bumatlarge | ||
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On January 22 2014 01:39 BarristanTheBold wrote: Yo, zare: So basically what you're saying is that you're not a real townie? That's clearly different. I realized I may have subconsciously tunneled in order to support my hunch and thus I needed to re-evaluate. Bum unvoted because nobody else was listening to him. | ||
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zarepath
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On January 22 2014 02:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Where he's calling out things in his case that he defended me for earlier on. I don't know what you're talking about here | ||
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zarepath
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That particular point in my case was a little bit tunneled, but the idea was that all of his opinions are tempered -- he's "KINDA okay," he's "mostly indifferent," he's "giving benefit of the doubt." When I said "wishy-washy" I think a better term would have been noncomittal or "meh." Again, as I said earlier, this was digging a little deep and maybe I was subconsciously tunneling. But that argument is different than the one suki made (and I had corrected). | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I still think you're scum. You post essentially nothing this game. Then you pop back into the thread and pick a convenient lurker to lynch. You're not making an effort to solve this game. irony | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: And when this all has ended and you don't anymore think that stuff makes VE mafia, you are voting the dude who made the same conclusions than you did in the first place. High five! We're not voting for an entire mafia team at once, we're voting for who we think is most likely mafia. It would be stupid to not think someone's mafia because they targeted the same guy as you once | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what zarepath has done in this game: - made a case on VE. case does not say why VE is mafia. - case is full of things zarepath has defended VE for earlier on in the game -> now they are just reworded to look scummy instead - case is also full of things that are certainly not alignment indicative, like VE is defensive when he is curious about what someone's post says. - never tries to push the case, or ask anyone's opinion about the case. - when he finally does that, i give an opinion. suddenly the case is not good anymore, he himself says so and let's it go. - then he calls out bumatlarge, who has done the exact same thing (made a case on VE and then retracted from it) and votes for him. bumatlarge is scum because "he let go of the case as noone believes him" but his own reason is something really townie - When he has never even explained why anything he has said makes VE mafia, and when someone asks he says "hush hush, go away, i let go of my case, look how good townie i am, i might have been tunneled". That's bullshit, so very bullshit, all of it. - case DOES say - case doesn't have ANYTHING in it I defended him for earlier - the not-alignment indicative stuff I can agree with, it was stretching at points - I totally absolutely DID ask people's opinion about the case, as you just admitted in your next point - why do you think I asked for an opinion? because I wanted people to admire it? No, because I want people to agree and find someone I think is scum, or for them tell me why it's not a good case so we can stop wasting time hunting non-scum - bumatlarge made a big deal about how he would NEVER revoke his vote and then did it simply because nobody else believed him, NOT because he changed his mind. Very different and very scummy. You're mischaracterizing everything I do and using hyperbole to paint me a certain way and it's not good for town. | ||
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