A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia

On January 07 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:

Cora scummy cause I don't like his face.

On January 07 2014 12:22 gumshoe wrote:


I don't really think your scum, I just don't like you ATM, and I don't think conversation between us would yield much seeing as we're both resolved to be hostile to one another ( or at least you are yah big jerk ) oh and if you did turn out to be scum I'd be pleasantly surprised ( :

On January 07 2014 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
CheseCake - Artanis interaction and the outcome.
Go!

On January 07 2014 16:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cheesydude and Artanis worry me from the people posting the most atm.

CC uses like ~15 posts in interacting with Artanis and after that gives a read on gumshoe and even a null read on WoS who has posted once, maybe twice. What was the point of discussing shit with Artanis as CC didn't even try to form a read on him.

Artanis did the same with gumshoe. Fuckton of interaction that ends up with calling gumshoe scummy but then again maybe not.

On January 07 2014 23:20 gumshoe wrote:



Pretty condescending.



He makes it out that Iamp is attacking everyone when in actuality hes only called out yamato, when I press him on this he responds



Critical levels of patronization achieved while dodging a question, I'd consider him scum if not for his reputation as a bit of a dick, sadly his back story makes it difficult for me at least whose never played with him to suss out his alignment. So instead I'll leave hunting Cora to people who know when hes bullshiting, or I'll go after him myself when I have something concrete. I am not trying to start a fight with him, I'm doing the opposite in fact by not committing to an honest conversation, because if we did the thread would burn going by his agitated tone. Also have you considered that I was trying to give scum something easy yet worthless to comment on in hopes of drawing them out?

I find it kinda funny that of all the things that happened in the thread, the first thing you feel the need to point out is how the "towniest" (others peoples words, not mine) player was acting like a dick... Do you think I'm scum? If not, how does pointing out something everyone knows help find scum? Also Cora isnt shitting up the thread at all, is the mere threat of him getting mad even if hes town more important than everything else thats happened in this game so far?? Also am I actively aggravating Cora? No, I dont interefere with his discussions with other people and Im only really trolling him whenever he tries to engage me. Man our exchanges havent even gone beyond 6 posts...

Its also noteworthy how you suddenly "realized" just how scummy cheese and Artanis looked after Rayn was kind enough to explain it to you...

Yeah I'm not liking you much, question for ya, why hasnt Cora burned up the thread yet if hes such a powder keg? Is he afraid of drawing attention to himself or does he just not care? If the latter why do you?

Oh and if it helps I havent actually read you girl blogs Cora ) : I also havent really meant any of the dumb shit I've said to you, the aggression itself has served me well though XD

On January 07 2014 23:34 iamperfection wrote:
jat do you have any inklings on players one way or the other? I know you said you dont have any real reads yet but you must have some inclinations no?


i cant really tell who your suspicious of by your posts besides calling something "fishy"?

On January 08 2014 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
I agree on Yamato. I would not mind killing him at all.

At the moment though, I want a bit more from a couple others. I want some opinions on the play of justanothertownie and kushm4sta.

Bonus points if you back up your opinions with concrete evidence (e.g. past games)

On January 08 2014 03:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Cheesecake is scum for inconsistent interactions with me. First he tries to win over my favour, when that fails he searches for every little thing to call me scum after noticing that the thread atmosphere allows easy pressure on me.

JAT is probably scum because he's parroting Rayn who made an incorrect conclusion but rather than checking it or reading up on what we've said he simply changes his opinion and copies it. No thoughts of his own, all deflection.

On January 08 2014 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Because of being careless. Town wants to find scum, scum wants to find a target. It's how I caught Mocsta in LXIII and it's leading me to suspect you as well. How you come to the conclusion that I said nothing about CC when I clearly indicated I found him at least suspicious is beyond me other than simply parroting Rayn. Perhaps changing conclusion is the wrong wording, but you've created a new one entirely based on Rayn's words.

On January 08 2014 03:59 thrawn2112 wrote:

That's why scumpoints are bad. You are assigning CC scum points for misunderstanding a post. That's too weak of an accusation for me to believe but I can't tell how serious you are when you act silly while assigning scum reads.

I just refreshed the page and saw your recent post about the point I just brought up. Obviously I don't think it's a valid point.

On January 08 2014 04:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Not really. I just substituted them.

On January 08 2014 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

The problem I have is that he did it after he accused me rather than before, but the matter is settled because I forgot that his initial accusation was rescinded.


On reflection I think you might be right. I might be too tunneled. His comeback just instantly felt like a Plan B when his initial plan failed.
I can't ditch the scumpointsᵀᴹ. They're too sexy.

What I am curious of though is that my interactions with CC clearly did read to a lead, even if I substituted it with a different read later it led me to information I felt was alignment indicative, yet you still conclude that my interactions did not give me a conclusion. How come?

On January 08 2014 04:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
So after all that, what's your current read on CC?

On January 08 2014 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote:


You seem to lack reading comprehension.

We can do the "no you first' thing all day, but if this is the best you can offer then I have no real reason to keep talking to you.

It isn't a personal thing, it's just that talking to someone who doesn't know how to further conversation is probably a dead-end at best. I offered you the chance at elucidating your current thoughts. They don't even have to be detailed. If you don't want to do even that then I can't be bothered to share more with you, since I have no clue whether sharing my current thoughts is even a good idea if I don't get decent information in return.

Why should I let scum have a head start into knowing whom I suspect so early, if it doesn't particularly benefit me? It only changes their behaviour when they know who is specifically under scrutiny.

On January 08 2014 04:53 wherebugsgo wrote:


More proof that Corazon is dumb, guys.

This is fun.



I'm sorry, are you actually trying to defend the guy who literally isn't bothering to play the game?

I just can't understand this type of mentality. Everyone on this forum complains constantly about lurkers and then when games roll around the lurkers are defended and the people who bother doing something about it are attacked.

Keep being dumb, I'm sure it's worked out so far.

On January 08 2014 05:01 wherebugsgo wrote:


So tell me, what do we lose by killing someone who is not playing the game?

How is what I am doing "not helpful"? Have you even thought about what you are typing so far? I wouldn't call you dumb if I seriously didn't think you were acting like it.

Do you think the game so far has had good discussion? If no, why the hell haven't you done something about it? If you are town, isn't that part of your job? What are you doing about players who are not contributing? What do you think you COULD be doing about them?

How many questions have you asked yourself while reading this game? Have you even bothered to think about half of the things I am asking you right now?

On January 08 2014 05:21 wherebugsgo wrote:


So again, I have to ask you. Do you really believe this garbage? I'm not so sure you do even subconsciously, otherwise we would not be having this conversation.

Saying this, and I really don't understand how people do this almost every game, but stuff like this really spurs me into calling you stupid. I really hate doing that, but even when I wave the answer in front of your face you still don't seem to get it.

Let me break it down into simpler terms.



You consider what we're doing now a "waste"? Until I came into this thread how much actual discussion of players occurred? Until I started having this conversation with you how much do you really think you knew about the game?

Are you really that naiive to think that me voting kush means I'm not going to do anything else for the rest of the day? That everyone else is going to simply accept my vote and then move on? That as scum I would be so stupid to vote for literally the easiest target in the game?

[spoiler]author's note: why the fuck do I have to point everything out to you like this? I feel the need to, given that you come off as dense based on your responses to my questions. Try to think or at least read more carefully next time.[/spoiler[

On January 08 2014 05:21 wherebugsgo wrote:

Again, are you thick?

Until I voted kush what kind of discussion was happening? We're having some sort of discussion now, but it's fruitless because you can't see what I'm trying to do. I even gave Corazon the opportunity to open a conversation with me and he basically said "no you" and pouted. So I called him dumb, because he is. Now you are basically doing the same thing.

Stop thinking about things on a surface level and start thinking about motivations. Think about WHY people would do things, not WHAT they are doing. Day 1 lynches are notoriously bad. Worse than random, in fact. It's because of shit like this. People don't know how to begin discussion, so sometimes you need to purposely kick them in the right direction by teasing them with information.

With that said, THINK ABOUT A KUSH LYNCH/LYNCH EFFORT AND WHAT IT MEANS BEYOND JUST KILLING HIM. Replace Kush with any name if you wish, just think about more than just the alignment of the player in question. The game is bigger than just the killing of players of different alignments.

Stop being so focused on the result of the lynch, because unless we have a really good lead today or stuff picks up right now we're probably going to kill a townie. That's just how it is.

On January 08 2014 05:21 wherebugsgo wrote:




Reread what you just said and think about it some more, because this is honestly one of the dumbest things you could say.

Have you never been in a game where people complain about the fact that so many people are lurking?

If you truly think you can't do anything about lurkers then the best thing for scum to do when they see that is not contribute at all, because you have basically just admitted to the fact that you will not punish that play. If you seriously believe that, it's not only dumb but scummy as hell.