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On January 18 2014 23:51 jaybrundage wrote: Oh this is where I saw your name. I knew it sounded familiar -_- Wut? | ||
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On January 21 2014 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Did he ask you to? This is important, and I know he'll tell me the truth. Yeh he asked me to use the small change so of course i refused | ||
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On January 21 2014 17:12 Hapahauli wrote: Fair enough. ##Unvote VE's responses seem very emotional and townie. Almost identical to how he responded to my case against him in the Duke Nukem Hydra Mini. Really no point in any more pressure. Foolish, can you elaborate on your Wave thing? All I see is a pretty standard opening post that you quoted in your vote. Why did you feel the need to justify your new read on VE (based on meta) with a quote from foolish saying you are both town? Only to then ask him to only elaborate on wave and not the reasons he thinks you are both town? Free town cred is nice but not if the person it's coming from is questionable. | ||
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On January 21 2014 18:56 Hapahauli wrote: Foolish's post echoed my sentiments, and tipped me over to unvoting. It's not a justification - it's more my own reference point. Only to then ask him to only elaborate on wave and not the reasons he thinks you are both town? Free town cred is nice but not if the person it's coming from is questionable. As far as him elaborating on the other reads goes, I thought his rationale was straightforward and short. His read on wave is 10000x more interesting to me than the town reads. As for yourself Holy, have you gleaned anything from the thread yet? Your entrance is plenty critical of myself and Foolish's play, but doesn't say anything about our alignments. You used a post from a player that has had 0 contribution to the game as a platform for you to further your paradigm of VE. Not only is that strange but you do not question HOW he could have those reads (something you absolutely should because how else do you learn about another player's mindset?) The only thing you question is his read on wave. You should absolutely not be happy when someone calls you or someone else town for no reasoning and should be questioning it as you have been questioning mostly everything for the entirety of the game. As for the rest of the thread: On January 21 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote: As far as I can tell, he doesn't respond to pressure on himself this early so it wouldn't matter. I only offered that as an aside anyway, my main reason for not wanting to vote him is because I literally don't see one. Hapa, do you see yourself getting shot N1 in this game? On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote: If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. I don't understand why this conversation was ended around here. We absolutely should be pushing everyone and not letting them ignore posts and accusations directed at them. It's a team game where we have to demonstrate our townieness to each other. Why should we let a player not participate in the game just because he gets better later when in fact we have the potential to learn more about his alignment today? This sentiment was echoed by hapa BUT THEN TOTALLY CONTRADICTED AS WELL. On January 21 2014 11:18 Hapahauli wrote: I don't understand your reasoning here. What does him being a "slow-starter" have to do with not wanting to vote for him? For example, wouldn't it be arguably good to put pressure on him early to determine his alignment? On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote: Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I don't understand the mindset behind this. You suggest we find his alignment by way of pressure but then give into the sentiment of other players of which you do not know the alignment of and say that we should not pressure him because he won't respond instead of taking the initiative of your confirmed alignment to yourself and pressuring sandroba yourself. This isn't something a townie mindset does at all. I'm interested to hear your reasoning before I put my vote down on you though because there's no reason being hasty. That being said the thing that stuck out to me the most was VE's posts and vote on Prome. I actually agree with much of what he has said and I do not get the motive behind happa's line of questioning. Hapa mentioned: On January 21 2014 13:19 Hapahauli wrote: The problem I have with your case on Prom right now is that it seems like a troll vote that you're trying to justify retroactively. Why do you assume that it is retroactive justification instead of new evidence coming to light after a troll vote? What he was saying made sense and prome's opening post seemed like it was pre-written before he even read any of the game. I'll get into this later when I have the time and get back but for now I'll leave you to talk about what i've said above. | ||
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On January 21 2014 22:51 gonzaw wrote: Fluff o clock just happens to be at the same time as my foot massage time Promy prom Im at work. Skimmed and theres too much blablabla ill ignore. Ill gladly focus on foo and maybe marvy when i get home. But right now, marv is right, unless anything more interestong happens foolishness should be D1 lynch. WHY CANT YOU BE TOWM FOO I REALLY WANT YOU TO!! Im scared of kita since he seems to have that umreadable type of attitude when playing and pressuring. Doesnt help he gets into fluffy discussions and shit. Why Foolishness over sandroba? They have both posted nothing. Your goal is clearly to lynch a lurker today so why are you going to ignore the rest of what has happened on day 1 when your intentions are already set in stone? | ||
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On January 21 2014 23:06 marvellosity wrote: Would you like me to, Holy? Still got all that change? | ||
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On January 21 2014 23:10 gonzaw wrote: Sandro is always like that. What,foo did is typical scum foo That's not my point. If what Foolishness has posted is in fact indicative of a scum Foolishness and he is your most likely to be lynched target then why are you not reading into the only tangible bit of the thread with content to get other reads and find other scum? | ||
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On January 21 2014 23:12 marvellosity wrote: The wording of this question doesn't make sense, because the red follows logically from the green, no? There is clearly more than 1 scum in this game. If he has found 1 why has he got the intention to not read to find another? | ||
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On January 21 2014 23:14 gonzaw wrote: No marvy im talking about that other game you talked about in the Mafia Awards thread i think (was it Msrio mafia or aomwthing?) Well holy maybe you could chill down and wait till i get home and finally be able to read the thread. This little chat im having now is mostly to show my process of thougth while i read the thread and have little info and whilr i gain more info. Its a good way to establish one's towniness Well I'm sorry if it comes across as antagonism. I just find it odd that your contribution in your work time would be to mention someone that has little to no posts that are suspicious as hell rather than read the rest of the thread and portray your fresh ideas when you are home. I will take a step back and let you do your thing though. I have yet to play with everyone here so will learn your meta eventually. | ||
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On January 21 2014 23:03 gonzaw wrote: it's not grasping at straws when you mention it yourself but yeh, the more i look at it the more i realise it's not something scum indicative as such. Well dunno marvy you dont seem so quite engag so far. I prefertrying to ger a read off you than trying to make sense of the Hapa VE shit ill most likely ignore for instance. I,think i rememer you throwing buddies under the bus pretty early and with conviction when you were acum, so if foo is scum i dont really have a proble with you being too | ||
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On January 22 2014 00:56 kitaman27 wrote: Seven pages over the first 17 hours is pretty weak. -_- Since I don't believe we've crossed paths before HolyFlare, lets chat. I'll let you choose the topic. Oh oh!! What is your opinion on democracy in general? Are you more in favour of say, a technocracy, or do you like current systems of leadership? Should we go back to dictatorships? Long live the king? Realistically though, what is your opinion of Gonzaw's style? I haven't played with him before and I'm not in right now so can't check up on it. Why is he spending so much time on foolishness? On January 22 2014 05:23 gonzaw wrote: My entrance post was obviously the best, there's nothing sandro can state otherwise. Spoiler for stuff that may not matter much: + Show Spoiler + Because waiting until "he has something to go by" might be wasting time (I won't hold off a vote or read to wait for a guy to do some specific thing that may never happen, specially when I'm starting to feel strongly he can be scum). Yeah that tends to happen with Foo, at least with me. I rarely need him to like start posting a bunch before starting to believe he's scum. At times one post may be enough. Well, usually. I think I just have this urge to lynch a scum Foo on D1 since like ever lol. And again, I prefer to establish myself as super town before finding scum. If a post of mine makes no sense in the "hunt scum" department, it does in the "make everybody believe there is no way you can be scum" department. I didn't vote Foo...yet, because I was waiting to read the thread. I'll most likely vote him yes, but I'm not in a hurry. So I'm catching up. First things first: Why the hell does WOS post "Welp" so many times? :/ Are you trying to act like a noob on purpose or something? Dunno if it's scummy or too scummy to be scum, just straight up interesting (not in a good way) I don't understand, this is most probably the reason that foolishness voted for WoS, based on the welp and shit in his first post but you are construing foolishness as scummy but WoS' actions are now scummy too. So is foolishness now not trolling and is actually right and you wasted time or is he still trolling and you think both are scummy? | ||
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As for not being more critical of the read on myself... well I'm fucking obviously town. That much should be clear from my early-game interest level, and the multitude of players calling me town so early (citing my lack of interest level when I'm mafia in general). If you are town, you are obviously town to yourself. When another player that you do not know the alignment of says you are town, when there was plenty of information that made you look not town, (the stuff that I was bringing up) then alarm bells should ring. I do not know if it's a difference in styles or because I'm just super paranoid in general but these are the things I look out for. | ||
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On January 22 2014 06:00 Hapahauli wrote: This is such a strange question. 1) Why are you talking about him spending so much time on foolishness, when you haven't addressed any of his arguments? Especially... you know... the largest post in the thread currently? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=18#359 2) What is relevant about gonzaw's style so far? He's posted the most content in the thread and has done the most scumhunting of anyone. I don't know how you could raise any questions about his style given what he's posted. 3) Your attitude on Foolishness makes no goddamn sense. In this post, you're deflecting attention from him and puzzled on how gonzaw could spend time on him. ...yet in your posts addressed to me, you repeatedly call foolishness sketchy, scummy, and are generally suspicious of him and his sparse posting. What gives? I do not want to participate in a discussion based on a person with 4 posts, it is futile. Foolishness has posted nothing and gonzaw is spending his entire time focusing on that person. I want to know what Gonzaw is like in other games, does he tunnel like that, does he declare he is not reading the thread till he gets home only to still spend his time on futile research? These are all questions I would like to know the answers to based on people's previous games with him. Just because he has put effort in and has posted does not make him towny. I asked that question specifically to kita because I think me and him are on the same wavelength (he asked gonzaw how long it took him to do the foolishness meta post - what I assumed to be seeing how he was allocating time) and I would like him to elaborate on his thoughts. I have no attitude towards foolishness other than my dislike for his unexplained reads. It's not scummy, it's not towny, I want to know his reasonings before I take my read further. Could he be scum? Yes. Could he be town? Yes. I do not know and cannot know until he posts, so of course my attitude to him would be a net null read. | ||
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