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IMplying
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany58 Posts
December 04 2013 08:34 GMT
#1
Made some graphs to illustrate how much the sizes of the leagues have changed.

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ander
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada403 Posts
December 04 2013 08:40 GMT
#2
Man, diamond and masters now is the same size as masters was then. Being masters is really the equivalent of high masters in previous seasons. Crazy.
IMplying
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany58 Posts
December 04 2013 08:47 GMT
#3
On December 04 2013 17:40 ander wrote:
Man, diamond and masters now is the same size as masters was then. Being masters is really the equivalent of high masters in previous seasons. Crazy.


Well, if you're being really precise you could even point out that Masters and Diamond combined are now smaller than Masters was back then so being Top Platinum right now is the same as being low Masters a few months ago.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
December 04 2013 11:23 GMT
#4
wow, approximately 85% are bronze to gold.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1927 Posts
December 04 2013 11:32 GMT
#5
But the mmr limits have stayed about the same, right?
Buff the siegetank
Verator
Profile Joined June 2010
United States283 Posts
December 04 2013 11:41 GMT
#6
The severe reduction in players is depressingly what a lot of us have felt was happening, and expecting to happen. Sad to see it is this bad though, around a 50% loss in playerbase, especially for anyone in the medium ranges
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. -- Bertrand Russell
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
December 04 2013 12:09 GMT
#7
something postive we can get out of this: everyone who is not getting in masters atm can now just say: well, obviously the league distribution is to blame :D
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
December 04 2013 12:16 GMT
#8
so, back to the old WoL system, no?
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 04 2013 12:17 GMT
#9
On December 04 2013 21:09 tar wrote:
something postive we can get out of this: everyone who is not getting in masters atm can now just say: well, obviously the league distribution is to blame :D


It's not even to "blame". It's just a different distribution which requires a different interpretation of what we consider being of this or this level (if league ever represented that correctly).
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tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 12:27:19
December 04 2013 12:26 GMT
#10
On December 04 2013 21:17 Ragnarork wrote:
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On December 04 2013 21:09 tar wrote:
something postive we can get out of this: everyone who is not getting in masters atm can now just say: well, obviously the league distribution is to blame :D


It's not even to "blame". It's just a different distribution which requires a different interpretation of what we consider being of this or this level (if league ever represented that correctly).


well, that's my point. I always thought ppl cared too much about the ladder ranking. Those countless times, when ppl claimed they were masters material or their opponent being just a platinum scrub. It's just a batch saying you are part of a certain percentage of players. There are no entry requirements for a league yet I really feel a lot of ppl think differntly
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
December 04 2013 13:40 GMT
#11
The whole notion of leagues is ridiculous. Just display everyone's ELO rating like in chess.
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
December 04 2013 13:46 GMT
#12
The ladder is fucking ridiculous right now. I have a smurf account that I used to play terran on, was diamond with this like 5 month ago, then I got demoted to gold due to inactivity and that stupid mmr decay stuff, and now I just played a bronze with 24 apm. Get your shit together Blizzard.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
December 04 2013 14:47 GMT
#13
On December 04 2013 22:40 Salient wrote:
The whole notion of leagues is ridiculous. Just display everyone's ELO rating like in chess.


That would be TOO smart imo.
I'm glad to see the master's distribution back to 2% as it should be, but DAMN, diamond and plat are low %'s
SooYoung-Noona!
Sakoha
Profile Joined October 2013
United Kingdom25 Posts
December 04 2013 15:07 GMT
#14
I thought blizzard was trying to make their league system bell-shaped in distribution (so highest number of players in gold, then silver + plat). Any reason why they seemed to have switched to bottom-heavy?
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1927 Posts
December 04 2013 15:17 GMT
#15
I have a theory that less players, mmr decay and higher average skill levels is the reason for this, while the actual mmr thresholds have remained the same. Everyone need to fight harder to get their points. Active and skilled players take up all the spots in the upper leagues now, and all the decayed players make it harder to advance.

Even go get out of bronze, you need to win games, but against who? There are not many noobs left now but plenty of decayed silver/gold/plat players.
Buff the siegetank
MarcoBrei
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil66 Posts
December 04 2013 16:42 GMT
#16
Blizzard did a very bad job in league distribution, and it's hurting the game a lot. Some day we may see 80% of players leaving the game and some old diamond players appearing in bronze league.... and guess what they'll do?
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
December 04 2013 19:15 GMT
#17
So what, if I end in Gold/Silver/Bronze one day yet my oppoentns still play decently, I have no objections.
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
December 04 2013 19:26 GMT
#18
WoW, this explains actually a lot.
Kyrao
Profile Joined July 2010
United States161 Posts
December 04 2013 19:30 GMT
#19
Anyone else find it interesting to see that the player base went from 367,439 to 211,965 in 6 months? That's over a 40% decline...
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
December 04 2013 19:34 GMT
#20
On December 05 2013 04:30 Kyrao wrote:
Anyone else find it interesting to see that the player base went from 367,439 to 211,965 in 6 months? That's over a 40% decline...

I think some of the original player base quit a long time ago, or played just the one placement match every season, no?
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