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On January 06 2014 09:59 Balla24 wrote: Playing IRL with friends is going to be a lot of different than this game. Just saying. Why do you think my "accusations" are random? I didn't call you out for random accusations, I was referring to being very vocal and trying to take control right at the start, something the bad guys tend to do, in my experience. | ||
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theDragoon
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A mafia putting his name out there this early is a bad plan if enough people jump on the bandwagon. I'm conflicted, all TheChyz has done is create confusion. If enough people get off the bandwagon and he turns out to be a mafia, then he's won and the risk he took with putting his name out there would be totally worth it. Whether or not it's true that TheChyz was telling the truth about the whole act like a scum thing, all it's really done is create confusion among the town. ##Vote: TheChyz | ||
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About the random accusation thing, a bunch of people started ##voting random people. It's my first time playing this so I'm assuming doing that in the thread that early in the game just seems really random to me when there isn't much information to go on. I assume that by ##voting that they are serious with those accusations, so excuse me if doing that randomly in the thread is something that's very common and isn't meant to be taken 100% serious. Also, on Day_Walker he seems to have good intentions.Calling out TheChyz as the only possible scum on the list seems like a bandwagon hop to me but TheChyz has been suspicious so it's something I agree with. His read on me I find is a bit unnecessary and does not really prove that I am a townie. I'm sure everyone playing this game is not afraid to disagree and standing up for yourself is something everyone does. He might just be including me on the list because I've posted a bit but his reasoning behind me as a townie really has no foundation. | ||
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On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote: Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided. That's enough of a reason to lynch Asuna? I don't see that as good enough to suspect Asuna of being mafia, unless you know more than what you've said there. Those 3 things you listed there is just a sign of an inexperienced player, it has nothing to do with being a scum. | ||
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On January 06 2014 15:56 TheChyz wrote: So Dragoon, it seems like you don't think Asuna should be a possible lynch target. Why is that so? Looking at the filter, nothing about it indicates that Asuna is mafia. I guess bandwagoning might be a bit of a tell but it's something that townies can be prone to as well. | ||
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On January 07 2014 01:36 Balla24 wrote: He's saying "unless you know more than what you've said there" in regards to lynching Asuna... If jonny was mafia how would he know more about a reason to lynch Asuna at this point? I'd like you to explain that theDragoon. I said that because his reasoning to lynch Asuna was basically due to Asuna's inexperience, which I think is not a good enough reason to be lynched when there are a lot more suspicious people out there. I don't know if Jonny knows more about Asuna, I only thought that because I was not buying his reason to lynch Asuna. | ||
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##Unvote TheChyz @TheChyz I also find it a bit odd that derrida doesn't think you are suspicious. If he was mafia, then jumping on TheChyz bandwagon would be the easiest thing to do... | ||
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On January 07 2014 03:41 Balla24 wrote: @Dragoon Yeah but why or HOW would scum have any extra knowledge about Asuna, besides Asuna being scum with them? Are you suggesting that Jonnylaw might be preparing for a buss? Are you saying you think JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna (Be very careful answering this question)? Like I said in my previous post, I don't know whether or not he has extra knowledge on Asuna, I just don't buy his reason to lynch Asuna. If his reason to lynch Asuna isn't solid, then why would he choose to lynch Asuna? I don't know what a buss is, sorry. I'm not saying JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna. If he did, then why would he want to lynch Asuna? | ||
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To your last sentence: Because a scum would want to kill blues. Yea... I know. If I'm questioning his decision to lynch Asuna with me thinking Jonny had a blue read. Then what am I saying here? If I don't think Jonny had a blue read, then what am I saying about him? Anyways, since this isn't going anywhere.. why did you dodge the "top 2 scum" earlier? Because at that point I wasn't sure who my top 2 was, even though I did vote TheChyz earlier, but a lot has happened since that post. Also, I wanted to call out the two who haven't posted anything. You've been implying that you think Jonny is scum, yet you very seemingly call him town here and don't even consider it from a scum perspective. I never implied Jonny is scum or Asuna was townie. I defended Asuna because I did not like Jonny's reason to lynch him. It does not mean I trust Asuna nor does it mean Jonny is a scum. @Derrida: TheChyz has basically painted a target on his back and a lot of people have jumped on him, including myself. Why would you put your trust into him so easily? Even TheChyz himself thought it was a bit weird for you to think that way. | ||
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If you're going to call someone out for not having good reasons to lynch someone, then you need to provide a counter... I like to think innocent until proven guilty, not the Phoenix Wright way of guilty until proven innocent AND you find who's guilty. How you prefer to play this game isn't always how other people will play the game. I'm not good enough at this game to get scum reads from forum posts. If you REALLY want me to give my top 2 most suspicious people are: Day_Walker: If I don't buy his town read on me, why should I believe his other reads. I've got the most votes on me right now and I want to see if Day_Walker still thinks I'm a townie. suki: "Okay then, lets get back to scumhunting :D". A bit too eager to go scumhunting there, don't ya think? Not really a good reason to call him mafia. | ||
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On January 07 2014 05:27 onlywonderboy wrote: I'm not familiar with the term pocketing. I didn't realize he was joking so I defended you. We've played with some confrontational players in these last few newb games so I thought he was just being super aggro. I'm not comfortable with a Derrida lynch Day 1 just yet. I think his inexperience is showing more than his scumminess. He was gone for a large portion of the day and was trying to make up for his inactivity by posting a lot of information. Unfortunately it's really easy to sheep when there has already been so much discussion prior to posting. Although now that I refresh the page I see that the discussion has sort of shifted away from Derrida. My main scum reads at the moment are Dragoon and Day_Walker. They seem to be interacting a decent amount, which isn't inherently scummy, but they go out of there way to distance themselves from each other. Dragoon says "For the record, I want to make it clear that I never said I completely trust Day_Walker," Then Day_Walker says: I understand wanting to get out ahead of these accusations, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it simply because he pushed Dragoon slightly. These just seem like they are trying to distance themselves early so if either if them go down we don't suspect them as a scum pair. You've got the timeline wrong, he posted that before I posted mine. It does look suspicious, given the way you skewed the timeline of those posts. I also wanted to clarify things with that post because people were putting words in my mouth without reading the entirety of that post. Because of falsifying evidence and trying to frame me ##Vote:onlywonderboy | ||
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On January 07 2014 05:49 onlywonderboy wrote: I did get the timeline wrong, but that would be a pretty shitty tactic for me to use in order to "frame" someone considering how easy that would be to check. I was sorting through a lot of information and messed up the order. I still think my point stand where you guys are trying to distance yourself. It's a fair point but I was being accused of "trusting" Day_walker when in fact I have never indicated such a thing. From my first post about his read on me I already had doubts. Read it again: Also, on Day_Walker he seems to have good intentions.Calling out TheChyz as the only possible scum on the list seems like a bandwagon hop to me but TheChyz has been suspicious so it's something I agree with. His read on me I find is a bit unnecessary and does not really prove that I am a townie. I'm sure everyone playing this game is not afraid to disagree and standing up for yourself is something everyone does. He might just be including me on the list because I've posted a bit but his reasoning behind me as a townie really has no foundation. I can't believe I have to post this twice. But nowhere in that post do I indicate my trust in Day_Walker other than the part where we agree with TheChyz being suspicious, then again so have other people at that point. I immediately discredit his read on me as a townie. What does that say about my opinion of him? Read the bold part. Do you really think I trust someone, if I can't even trust his read on me being a townie? For a bunch of people intent on reading every little thing in a post, you guys all seem to overlook that part. Also, Balla24, you're rising up my suspicions list with the immediate jump on lynching me and thinking you guys caught 2 scum with me and Day_walker. <-- I know this looks suspicious as hell but I want to clear my name. Day_Walker may very well be scum and I've hinted at that right from the beginning when asked what I thought of Day_Walker's read on me. So the theory of me trying to distance myself from him really has no ground to stand on. | ||
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He also gave onlywonderboy an orange alert level for being afk, which I think is a really dumb reason. He also gave sidesprang an alert level of red for not really posting anything. From that he looks like he's going after people who don't post much, I don't really agree with that, unless he did that to make them post more. I can't say if he's a townie or mafia but he's pretty low on my suspicious rating. | ||
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wow, some really good reads by this guy. Certainly gave me a lot of insight and I can clearly follow his line of thinking and argumentation, no bullshit so far. Still, I might be susceptible to manipulation due to my inexperience I'm putting Derrida higher up on my suspicious people list. Your concerns about Derrida giving certain people a green light easily are definitely valid. This is mafia, nobody should ever be green lit so easily, especially after one post. I myself don't have anyone green lit. I admit it looks like I'm changing stances rather quickly but that's what happens when you read everything too quickly. I'm definitely getting more familiar with the game though. /offtopic: I know this is a newbie game but a lot of people here seem to have a lot of experience playing the game. JonnyLaw in particular seems to hate the "I'm new to this" type of post. And I think the more experienced players here are looking far too deep into what some of the newer players are posting. | ||
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On January 07 2014 06:55 onlywonderboy wrote: I know it's not the answer you want to hear, but that's the only real pair that stood out to me. I didn't start hunting with the goal of finding pairs, that one just sort of happened. I'm glad you think I'm capable of doing good analysis, but nothing else really stood out to me (or at least nothing that hadn't already been said). Don't think I didn't take my time to formulate my analysis on Day_Walker and Dragoon though What do you think of Derrida giving Day_Walker the green light and have COMPLETE TRUST in him? You label Day_Walker and I as scum because I "seemingly trusted and turned by back on him so we can distance ourselves". I don't think you're reading my posts at all since I have never trusted Day_Walker ONCE. I'll know when you start reading my posts when you remove that vote on me. I still want you to prove the part where I gave my trust in Day_Walker and pinpoint the exact moment where I try to "distance myself" from him. | ||
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On January 07 2014 07:02 Balla24 wrote: It's what this game is all about. The more experienced players will quickly want to get rid of the "noob card" for people to play, because it's annoying to think about. I mean just try it lol... whenever somebody says "well i'm new to this so i'm not sure about: xxxxx" like what are you supposed to think? "Dang this guy's new so i better cut him some slack for having no confidence...?" No we can't do that... because that allows mafia players to play that card... Basically, it's similar to lists, similar to lurking, similar to using RL excuses: The noob card is not something you want to play as town BECAUSE it sets a standard for mafia to be able to use it and then from there it's circular logic. Just nip it in the butt. I think it's something to consider, though. A noob should be making mistakes all over the place, and mistakes shouldn't be the reason they get lynched. I still don't like how JonnyLaw wanted to lynch Asuna because of inexperience when there are far bigger threats out there. You will all see when I get lynched tomorrow that this "distancing theory" is completely dumbfounded and you will all be back to square one. It does allow mafia to play that card and makes its a lot harder for town to play but an experienced player should be able to tell if someone is telling the truth about the noob card or if they are bluffing because the noob will make a lot more mistakes. | ||
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