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On October 16 2013 23:54 Koshi wrote:
damn 4 am cest deadline.
Isn't it 10pm cest?
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On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo.
Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing.
Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win?
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On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise.
Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker.
On a different topic let me reiterate:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win?
What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care?
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Also on the point of the QT's. I implore you to post as much as you can in there. QT - to me anyway, seems a lot more casual than posting in the main thread. It is another angle where you can garner information about people. As long as it doesn't detract from people forumlating opinions and whatnot then there is nothing but beneficial information you can gain.
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On October 17 2013 07:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:32 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 07:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
hahahaha
plz tell the thread why you are certain I am scum. Are you talking to me? Where did I call you scum at all? Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:27 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 07:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 07:09 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 07:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 17 2013 07:04 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Skanjab1sOn October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s
Bring it on slytherin scum State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall. "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' You know the compositions of each house, huh? 1) Do you think scumteam already knows who is in each House? 2) Do you understand why I am saying you are scum? 1) Duh 2) You are trying to make it seem as if I'm asking these questions to pretend that I don't know the answers. Calling me scum for asking what house someone is in is retarded. Twice the right answer. New question: 1) Why are you twisting my words and pretending that I just scumslipped when you knew the purpose behind my post? I wasn't, your asking for the purpose behind the post made me realise it. When you said "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" it implied that you knew how many scum there are (and you do). So for the "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House" it also implied that you knew who was in each house. When you asked me for the purpose I realised that it was not the case for the latter quote. The bolded?
He's saying everyone knows how many scum there are.
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On October 17 2013 07:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? (From phone) Re: gracks indifference to the item. I think he is of the opinion that the houses are just a flavor thing and that we have no real way to manipulate the item/contest to benefit town by getting it all for his self. Assuming town>scum in each house the overall effect should be the same, no? Who cares if townie A or townie B gets it?
Well. You don't know how many scum are where. What if an entire house is scum? Surely you play to our win con - find and kill scum scum. These items imply that they will be nothing but helpful in doing so. If you know you are town, why would you not want something beneficial to use to help our victory, especially doing something as simple as googling a pick up line. What is the DOWNSIDE to not participating?
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You should KNOW you are town so do everything in your power to make it based on your opinion or something you actually agree with. Don't just sit back and idle and hope that someone does something useful. That is a totally defeatist attitude "You do the work for me, hopefully it works out." Our aim is to kill scum, I am trying to do that. Is your aim different?
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On October 17 2013 08:14 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
You should KNOW you are town so do everything in your power to make it based on your opinion or something you actually agree with. Don't just sit back and idle and hope that someone does something useful. That is a totally defeatist attitude "You do the work for me, hopefully it works out." Our aim is to kill scum, I am trying to do that. Is your aim different? Ok, you don't like that I'm willing to let others control the power instead of myself. But why focus on it? A scum player should also be interested in trying to make the power based on his decisions.
There is little to go on and this is something that struck me as odd. Just like everyone else has been doing. Yes, they would. However, why would you be concerened how other people perceive what you're doing? You know you're town, you take control, you win the game. Who cares what scum are interested in doing?
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On October 17 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:17 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 08:14 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
You should KNOW you are town so do everything in your power to make it based on your opinion or something you actually agree with. Don't just sit back and idle and hope that someone does something useful. That is a totally defeatist attitude "You do the work for me, hopefully it works out." Our aim is to kill scum, I am trying to do that. Is your aim different? Ok, you don't like that I'm willing to let others control the power instead of myself. But why focus on it? A scum player should also be interested in trying to make the power based on his decisions. There is little to go on and this is something that struck me as odd. Just like everyone else has been doing. Yes, they would. However, why would you be concerened how other people perceive what you're doing? You know you're town, you take control, you win the game. Who cares what scum are interested in doing? I'm not. I want to know why you think what I have done is more likely to come from a scum player than a town player. Pretty simple question.
So many hypotheticals that it's hard to believe you are actually asking me this question:
1) You might be the only one in the house and so most probably can't sway it in your favour, let other houses with more scum win and increase your chance.
2) It's a flavour thing and you don't need items to find out who scum are because you know who is scum and who is town.
etc etc. How was that hard to understand?
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On October 17 2013 08:16 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:15 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 08:05 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 08:01 I-be-Pro wrote:
Anyways, that's it for me, have to wake up in 7 hours again. Something that might be interesting from my QT or might just be plainly nothing:
Skanjab1s asked if I am I-be-Pro (I called myself Toad in the QT... sry) - nothing wrong with this one at all, despite my recent attacks against him.
snowman answered that question with a positive (trying to rephrase here...)
Think he has been reading the thread and is actively lurking atm. Make of that what you want. I don't have the time to type any more tonight, sry. If you think is nothing wrong with it, then why bother posting it at all? Seems rather pointless, no? It's how I play d1. I make a big deal out of very minor things to make people talk about things happening in the thread instead of talking about politics/house-quests or whatever else. The intention is to get some reactions from people and have a quick start into d1. Some people have to start the discussion somehow and I usually take that as my job on d1. Means I'm usually a big meanie on d1 and I'm often times stating things that look like nothing to people and they're hardly anything else to me most of the time as well. But I find that a lot better than having a discussion the first 24 hours about some weird plan of someone because people have to commit somewhat the way I'm doing things. I might add it is currently working but now I'm really sleeping  So your plan for catching scum is "post things that aren't important, because then people will talk about unimportant things and that will give me reads"
What do you think of him OMGUSing this. His defenses have been kind of shitty IMO and then when someone says they want to generate discussion he is surprised by it? Any discussion that isn't the normal policy lynch crap is good discussion. Look at what we've got already, people soft defending, people criticising and people discussing. Why is he attacking for this?
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EBWOP: missed a bit from copying from another tab
On October 17 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
Holy, do you believe grack STATING that he wouldnt submit a line to be null, like koshi suggests?
It's null so much as that it could be scum or town. Obviously he could just not say it but what information does he have that it won't get displayed later? It's just an odd thing to say when it's very easy to open a new tab and google 'harry potter pick up lines' and copy paste. Better to at least have it in writing as either alignment than not say it at all and possibly get picked out for it later.
Either way. I don't know, I'm kinda getting tired of discussing it for now. I've said all that can be said. Unfortunately toad went to bed so I can't discuss the other stuff he mentioned before about Skan.
But since you guys are around;
On October 17 2013 08:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 08:15 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 08:05 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 08:01 I-be-Pro wrote:
Anyways, that's it for me, have to wake up in 7 hours again. Something that might be interesting from my QT or might just be plainly nothing:
Skanjab1s asked if I am I-be-Pro (I called myself Toad in the QT... sry) - nothing wrong with this one at all, despite my recent attacks against him.
snowman answered that question with a positive (trying to rephrase here...)
Think he has been reading the thread and is actively lurking atm. Make of that what you want. I don't have the time to type any more tonight, sry. If you think is nothing wrong with it, then why bother posting it at all? Seems rather pointless, no? It's how I play d1. I make a big deal out of very minor things to make people talk about things happening in the thread instead of talking about politics/house-quests or whatever else. The intention is to get some reactions from people and have a quick start into d1. Some people have to start the discussion somehow and I usually take that as my job on d1. Means I'm usually a big meanie on d1 and I'm often times stating things that look like nothing to people and they're hardly anything else to me most of the time as well. But I find that a lot better than having a discussion the first 24 hours about some weird plan of someone because people have to commit somewhat the way I'm doing things. I might add it is currently working but now I'm really sleeping So your plan for catching scum is "post things that aren't important, because then people will talk about unimportant things and that will give me reads" What do you think of him OMGUSing this. His defenses have been kind of shitty IMO and then when someone says they want to generate discussion he is surprised by it? Any discussion that isn't the normal policy lynch crap is good discussion. Look at what we've got already, people soft defending, people criticising and people discussing. Why is he attacking for this?
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Sorry that all fucked up. All I'm saying is that he is calling out everyone that is having a go at him, especially Toad, who at this point has generated the most discussion. Why is that? It's odd to question someones motives when the motives were "i want to generate discussion".
He's shitflinging and not really helping us.
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If you're not FoSing him why even mention what he is doing in a post? That's pointless. He points something out. You say the logic that's going through your mind of why you did it, you move on and do some scum hunting. That would be the natural course of events?
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On October 17 2013 08:53 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
If you're not FoSing him why even mention what he is doing in a post? That's pointless. He points something out. You say the logic that's going through your mind of why you did it, you move on and do some scum hunting. That would be the natural course of events? You're pointing out that what I said was pointless in a post where I point out what he was said was pointless. Really now.
He's telling you the reasoning behind his actions. He's pointing out new information that we could not have unless we were in his house QT that he deemed not very relevant but we MAY. It's the divulgence which is useful. To call his post pointless was dismissing these facts.
I am calling out the fact that you seem against deciphering new information. All information is good information.
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On October 17 2013 09:02 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 09:01 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 08:53 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
If you're not FoSing him why even mention what he is doing in a post? That's pointless. He points something out. You say the logic that's going through your mind of why you did it, you move on and do some scum hunting. That would be the natural course of events? You're pointing out that what I said was pointless in a post where I point out what he was said was pointless. Really now. He's telling you the reasoning behind his actions. He's pointing out new information that we could not have unless we were in his house QT that he deemed not very relevant but we MAY. It's the divulgence which is useful. To call his post pointless was dismissing these facts. I am calling out the fact that you seem against deciphering new information. All information is good information. Please tell me how any read whatsoever could be divulged from the information that he shared?
He posted that Sn0_Man was answering in QT. He was not posting in here at the time. That is extra information that we could not gather unless he stated it. Already, we see that he picked on a little point and there have been many pages discussing it. That is more information for reads to be formulated later in the game. The way people defend themselves, the way people defend others. That is all information that you scour through later in the game to formulate a case and win the game. If people post "oh I like this policy", they are just posting opinions, THAT woud be useless information. He has generated discussion about a person that is infinitely more useful.
Stifling that is abhorrent. Why question it?
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 13:36 Pandain wrote:From what has resulted so far there are some very good observations that can be made. - Grack is playing like his playstyle in Thug Life, although it isn't conclusive it reads to me he is town.
- Griffindor is me, Vayne, justanothertownie, Cephiro, Stutters695, and Rayne/Koshi.
- I am not going to be participating in the pick-up line contest as I am suspicious of three lurkers in my house and then Vayne has always been hard for me.
- Grackaroni, however, you know you are town and you have good players in your house. Why do you not try to get the item and then convince what is most likely a majority of townies to use it in a town aspect. .
- StorrZerg pushes someone but then never follows up, has your read changed Storr? I actually don't think this is that scummy but it is interesting.
Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:35 Mattchew wrote:
a lot of soft accusations being thrown at Skanjab1s
and dont we always have to lynch the self aware miller or is that some other weird role? Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 10:58 Mattchew wrote:On October 17 2013 10:51 yamato77 wrote:
matt, what do you think about Moc? nothing, other than that he claimed miller in the first post and that was either really bold play as mafia or smart play as town
On October 17 2013 10:54 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote:On October 17 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? I don't know how many scum are in my house either lol. i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak wat. saying lol at the end of a sentence is what you do when your texting a girl and you're nervous she wont understand what you're saying is a joke, aka weakness Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 10:59 Mattchew wrote:
i want to change my use of "smart" to "correct" Suspicious weak justification, and if it was in his opinion correct play why would we lynch him.
Thanks for telling us what we can see...
The people that you mention as being lurkers. What time zone are they in? They could be asleep so not participating just yet seems a little bit hasty.
You also mention the things about Grack that we have already brought up and discussed. Why? You call him townish based on another game but then give him pointers..? We've already discussed what he should do. What need is there to reinforce what's already been said?
I don't see any pressure from storr either? It looks like sarcasm if that's the post you're referring to. However, he does highlight sn0 who I am inclined to agree with him on. Sn0_man has posted one thing of use. That point highlights scum motives behind Grack's moves. However, many things were also going on at the time and he had no input on them at all since then. He was active in QT but not so much here too. I would like to know why and want to hear a lot more input.
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What I really actually want to know Pandain is why the summary but leave out the entire starting argument? What did you glean from Skanjab1s replies to Toads pressure. Deflecting?
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Also mocsta etc. Why did you leave so much out in your first post???
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 15:35 Pandain wrote:The problem with lurkers is even if they have a good reason to lurk more often then not town players try to overcome their being disadvantaged from lurking while scum players will embrace it and act dumb. I have played for instance with the two players in my house Cephiro and Stutters and they both purposely lurked in Noir. The fact they could be asleep is also offset by the fact that Cephiro recently made a long post that clearly showed thought yet put off contributing in thread. Cephiro would you like to explain that? I have a town read on Grack because he is embracing his role but is still making some good points, but he is making a really weird point about not contributing which is really nonsensical to me. There could be a scum motivation to it, such as if his house is only him and therefore he doesn't want to help contribute, or there is the more likely instance that he simply hasn't thought it through. I want to eliminate the possibilities. Skanjab I have a town read on and I don't have a good read on Toad yet. Was your intent with this post to pressure me or are you serious; you've been looking for flaws where there really aren't any and it's contradicting with what I think you would be doing in looking for actually suspicious people. You don't think StorrZerg, being an esports mafia veteran taking a back seat in his first game of forum mafia is suspicious? You are putting assumptions about what I'm doing without any real logic, and I don't see any town reason. Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 15:13 Holyflare wrote:
What I really actually want to know Pandain is why the summary but leave out the entire starting argument? What did you glean from Skanjab1s replies to Toads pressure. Deflecting? If you say this, is any response really going to help you? You say I left so much out, do you really expect me to put everything? You set higher standards for me then what is expected and I am interested in why.
It's a bit of light pressure, wanted to know why you left out arguably the biggest parts of the thread. It was your first post of the game and you come in with certain parts left out, was intrigued. I like asking with loaded questions. As for your Grack town read it's based on meta so I can't really add much as I haven't played on you. However, I implore you not to sit on people because they look like their meta.
Still didn't answer about mocsta. He came in with a self-aware miller, what's your take on that?
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