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On September 15 2013 16:23 Blurry wrote: Bereft, its been a few days, you still busy? really wish I could join, but unfortunately don't think I'll be able to put in the required amount of time to be effective | ||
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so the almost complete absence of chatter even pregame makes me a bit wary. so i would suggest that we strongly and seriously threaten any lurkers with our day 1 lynch. 0 tolerance for lurking! my previous newbie game suffered from modkills and inactivity, and as a result it became really hard to gather a complete picture or at least see how 1 player reacted in the context of another considering only 50% was participating.. | ||
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On September 25 2013 11:21 JonnyLaw wrote: Lynching lurkers gives next to zero information though. We have 28 hours before that decision needs to be made. Considering the game was supposed to start a few hours ago I think you're both being very hasty here. Wait and the scummy players will expose themselves. hasty? nah, i don't think so. last game, we allowed lurkers to slide by through to day 2(!). i think that kind of behavior basically set town up as a massive pushover and led to us losing in 2 days. i don't think there's any downside in establishing from the onset how we intend to play and what expectations we may have of each other. plus, one of the worst things you can do as a town player is to make zero effort to establish or at least prove yourself as town. i'm not asking for loads of spam -- i'm at work for >= 12 hours a day myself -- but just a thoughtful post or 2. i don't think that's unreasonable to ask... do you? | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:50 playerboy345 wrote: After rereading the previous page I found this: Can you explain your opinion on this a bit more? The only thing you CAN achieve with lynching lurkers is getting people to be more active, and I'm pretty sure we need to hunt scum, not force people to write meaningless posts. It puts literally ZERO pressure on the mafia, we need to be actively scumhunting - not lurkerhunting. "the only thing you CAN achieve with lynching lurkers is getting people to be more active". seems to me like you answered your own question, not sure what else you expect me to expand on. On September 25 2013 23:42 Zaragon wrote: It's not about lurker-hunting. It's about pushing lurkers into the open and forcing them to show their alignment as much as possible. basically this, a thousand times this. it's to preemptively prevent any lurkers. it's better to have people talk than not talk at all. take an extreme scenario: would you want to be stuck at LYLO with a bunch of 1-liner players? i actually want to hear more from blurry at this point. i agree with zaragon re: his first post. it's already coming off very different from his posting and attitude in the previous game. last game, his first post aimed to initiate discussion. here, he merely reiterates what we already know: quality over quantity. blurry, what are your thoughts so far in the game? i'll give your question from last game back to you: biggest scum read / biggest town read so far? that question is directed towards everyone else in the thread as well, btw. | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:01 JonnyLaw wrote: Yeah the amount of AFKs in this game is quite discouraging. I'm sticking with storm as he's the only person I got a real read on but his last post makes me question if it's the right move with how much inactivity we have right now. Myrzeth...I dunno he just plays oddly. myrzeth?? what game are you playing?? also sorry guys, I promise I will catch up on the thread and post once home tonight. has blurry posted anything since his day 1 post? | ||
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guys, it looks like the existing lynch candidates are Jayte and Blurry. between the 2, I personally think Jayte is a much stronger candidate for the lynch. comparing their 2 post histories, would you rather an afk'er in this game who's writing 1 liners and making 0 effort vs an afk'er who writes this verbose post saying what's pro town behavior? if Blurry is indeed scum and continues to post in such a constructed manner, it'll be easy to pick his posting apart as the game goes on vs someone who writes vague 1 liners. | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:32 playerboy345 wrote: Bereft are you even serious right now? are you? | ||
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alright, now that i'm at a computer reading the thread in its entirety i realize how off point my post was in relation to the current thread of conversation at the time. during the weekday i'll always be in the office during the voting deadline unfortunately -- i was literally hiding in the bathroom posting from my phone at the time. but i'll be catching up on the thread now and thought dumping momentarily. | ||
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zaragon: + Show Spoiler + looking at his filter, right now he reads very pro-town, as he seems to be making an effort to keep the thread on track and provide transparency on his opinions and thought process on current players. BUT i do find his voting incongruous: On September 26 2013 04:24 Zaragon wrote: No opinion on MLuneth. Actually, if he feels comfortable enough to throw that question out (and I think I can figure out what the question is actually asking), that's pretty towny to me by itself, just odd. I have no personality read on him as yet to back that up, though, so neutral to me. i was surprised that he of all people led the bandwagon on mluneth as i took the above comment as him interpreting mluneth's question to mean that he was vig. in addition, i find it odd that he says this: On September 27 2013 03:22 Zaragon wrote: EBWOP: For clarity, I would like to push for Blurry right now since MLuneth is still participating, but I don't want us to set our votes on Blurry and not be able to change them if he comes in with good points. but then right at the last minute switches his vote to mluneth. On September 27 2013 06:40 Zaragon wrote: Got caught up in an intriguing conversation with a friend, now the hour is late. MLuneth is the only person who has posted considerable amounts that I would vote for. I don't know if he's bad town or scum either, it's strange to assert himself like he does as either town or scum and then not to be responding now. Feels like scum constructing a case and dropping off at suspicions. I wanted to push Blurry to contribute, he hasn't. I'm comfortable switching off him for now since he doesn't even seem to be coming in to vote. ##Vote MLuneth please shed some light on what made you change your mind from voting for a lurker to an "active" participant. you initially say you prefer to vote for mluneth because he's still participating, but later change your vote because he disappeared from the thread while blurry didn't post anything either. i noticed you used the same argument when you FOS'ed blurry earlier in the day: On September 27 2013 01:53 Zaragon wrote: so would like to hear your explanation. i really want to believe you're town, but this contradicting behavior makes me wary.Blurry... still nothing. Could have real life explanations, but I have a bad feeling he rolled scum, started working on his first post being as pro town as possible, then realized he didn't know how to follow up as scum. I want to vote for him the most out of the lurkers, to be honest. heavenz: + Show Spoiler + town lean as well, for the moment. he's actively calling players out, applying pressure, and not afraid to share his opinions. will have no issue with him if he keeps up the current behavior. balla24 + Show Spoiler + this guy's coming off somewhat town atm. initially this post brought up a red flag: On September 26 2013 11:37 Balla24 wrote: I'm not really getting any bad vibes from anybody at this point. Really need to hear from the less talkative people at this point to get a read off of them. As far as town reads I'm liking Zaragon for sure, and maybee Bereft. Both of them have been quite active in trying to move the discussion forward and providing their reads. They have also been looking into other's past games which i think is quite helpful for us. We just really need to hear from the quiet ones at this point though, they are really stalling the game and it's been a whole 24 hours. Some people have 1/2 posts only and have been quite weird. If we're not going to hear from them though, i'd like to hear a bit more from Heavenz now that some time has passed, maybe there are more insights about how people are acting first day compared to that last game they played together. Blurry specifically, as his opening post -> sudden quietness is worrying from what I hear so far about his play. while i agree that it's hard to have a good scum read on someone at that point, he brings nothing new to this table with this post. all he says is we need to hear from the inactives. his comment on blurry seems to merely be an echo of what i (and zaragon i believe) said before. he posts some analysis afterwards which assuages some of my suspicious, but later on, like zaragon, also changes his mind from voting inactives to a more active scum read. not too apprehensive of this player at the moment, but i would like to hear his analysis on the current players. brb gonna shower then read the rest of the filters | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + while reading through the thread, i didn't like this guy. but reading his filter specifically, this post gives him a town read for now. i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, provided this type of analysis continues. + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2013 04:05 JonnyLaw wrote: + Show Spoiler [Blurry] + His first post was good but not enough to give any read. I really hope he contributes something soon because his lack of participation is hurting the game and his chances of surviving the lynch. + Show Spoiler [playerboy345] + He's been active in trying to move discussion forward throughout the game. Feels okay to me for now. + Show Spoiler [heavenz] + heavenz willingness to question people's reads puts him out there more than he may want at this point if he was scum. Again, seems all right to keep around for now. He's contributing and trying to force slips out of people. + Show Spoiler [onlywonderboy] + owb I've read most of your LOL material. You can write and critically think. WHAT did you like about playerboy's analysis in particular? What are your opinions on the other twelve players in this game? I'm not liking the read I'm getting here. + Show Spoiler [stormtemplar] + stormtemplar is looking scummy to me. He writes a lot and yet says nothing. He's basically said he agrees zaragon might be town, he doesn't know about playerboy and death to all lurkers while telling others to contribute more to the thread. He's trying to misdirect and confuse discussion rather than forwarding it which I do not care for. + Show Spoiler [Zaragon] + Zaragon has been making similar reads to my own throughout the game and pushing for strong participation. He definitely feels more town than many others in the game. His willingness to focus on particular people could mean he's trying to get attention away from himself and the rest of the mafia but for now it's too early to say. I give him the benefit of the doubt. + Show Spoiler [Balla24] + Balla24 reads fairly town. He's been agreeing with heavenz and Zaragon whom I also like for the town. I could be getting fooled here and there are two mafia in their threesome. For now, there's better options to lynch though. + Show Spoiler [xIvanJ is useless] + One outta 13 aint too bad boys. Hopefully our replacement can play. + Show Spoiler [Jayte] + Could be lurking as a mafia. I just can't read him from the level of content he's put out. + Show Spoiler [MLuneth] + I want to call this guy scum from my gut. I really, really want to do it. But re-reading his posts just make me think he's a bit hasty and not scum at all. There are grammatical errors, shortened words and that half written post he managed to post. I dunno, he doesn't feel like mafia at this point in the game. + Show Spoiler [BajaBlood] + Hasn't said a lot. Could be leaning mafia, but he's okay for now. + Show Spoiler [bereft] + I know he said he'd be busy but why is no one mentioning his inactivity? Still, not the best candidate for a lynch. Okay here's my summation. Blurry, bereft (who did say he would be busy), Jayte and xIvanJ are inactive. I still think we should look for a better lynch candidate for today. I like zaragon, balla24 and heavenz contribution but I might be getting fooled because they seem to agree quite often. But hell, they're reasonable opinions. Time to see where people cast their votes. I've read through stormtemplar's posts multiple times now. He literally says nothing in them. Clogging conversation after being accused of being scum. I disagree and he's just trying to change the focus away from himself. Until he puts up a better defense of himself #vote stormtemplar wonderboy + Show Spoiler + this guy's posting has been waaay subpar, especially coming from a TL writer! i want to call out this post in particular: On September 26 2013 22:29 onlywonderboy wrote: I think I got scared into writing one liners due to people claiming we were going to lynch non-active people. But, tis true, I should have transitioned into writing more useful posts. This is still my first game so I'm trying to take a lot of it in. I have pretty much zero knowledge of everyone in this game so getting a read off of people on a relatively few number of pages is proving more difficult than I had hoped. That said, stand outs right now: Jayte: Joke post to start off the game, hasn't contributed anything of value. Isn't trying to cause chaos in the town, but his absence is questionable. Mentions being busy with work, could just be throwing that out so we don't seem suspicious MLuneth: Had that odd question to start, could have easily asked a coach instead of putting it in the thread. playerboy: Great analysis of all the players. But, imo, it seemed like a post that was trying too hard to put the spotlight on "Hey, look, I'm helping the town!" I'm definitely not saying he should be a candidate for the first lynch, but just something to keep in mind in the future. the threatened lynch on lurkers should make you one to SPEAK UP if anything, not post pointless one liners. also calls playerboy's post "great analysis", which i believe others have called out as well. what exactly did you find great? he hasn't clarified this but says he will. i'll be waiting to see what he says. his vote on blurry also seems like a 'safe' vote, in that other players (myself, zaragon to name a few) have already tossed blurry's name about as someone whose current posting is deviating from his pro-town posting in previous games. right now, i say wonderboy's a pretty decent candidate for the lynch. playerboy + Show Spoiler + i find playerboy's argument against threatening to lynch lurkers and description on 'what mafia will do in that scenario' pretty bad and one dimensional. On September 25 2013 21:50 playerboy345 wrote: After rereading the previous page I found this: The only thing you CAN achieve with lynching lurkers is getting people to be more active, and I'm pretty sure we need to hunt scum, not force people to write meaningless posts. It puts literally ZERO pressure on the mafia, we need to be actively scumhunting - not lurkerhunting. [quote][QUOTE]On September 25 2013 23:22 playerboy345 wrote: If I were scum and town was going to lynch lurkers I wouldn't be scared at all, just jump on the bandwagon, provide some arguments and you're cool.[/quote] his arguments seem to improve as the thread goes on -- i'm getting really tired now so i'm starting to skim..will reread his filter and post more tomorrow -- but for now he seems to be genuine and making an effort, so i don't see him as a strong lynch candidate for d2 atm. baja + Show Spoiler + as far as i can tell, this guy has only posted analysis on afk'ers. this is useless and pointless in my book. i don't take issue with the fact that he chose to go with a policy lynch for d1. however, if he doesn't start giving thoughts on the people actually participating in this game, i will find him suspicious. stormtemplar + Show Spoiler + some people have been throwing this guy's name around, but looking through his filter i find nothing that screams a scum tell, but at the same time, nothing particularly memorable. for now he's not ranked high in my book alright i'm fking tired and my analysis is getting shittier as it goes on. i'll need to reeval some of the filters tomorrow. here's the tl;dr: i'd lean towards wonderboy followed by baja for d2 lynch given the current situation. i didn't bother evaluating the afk'ers. blurry, i'm holding you to your promise to post! xIvanJ is a joke -- vig should just shoot him if we still have one. funny thing is now that i think about the ridiculous nature of jayte's posts, i suspect he's actually vanilla town... | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:08 Balla24 wrote: Dang, didn't think we could post during night. Cool ^_^ Just to shed some light on what I was thinking at the end of the day: I was already suspicious of MLuneth due to his posts earlier today. I didn't want to vote him initially because I was more suspicious of Blurry for his inactivity after his intro post (which was completely unlike him based on that other game). Once I realized that we might be wasting a lynch since he might get modkilled, I wanted to switch my target. MLuneth was the only person i was suspicious of at the time. I honestly wish I hadn't gotten distracted though and didn't have to rush my vote because re-reading through this I definitely made a mistake. If I could do it again, I would have stayed on Blurry but the modkill talk made me scared to waste the lynch. This might have been a good situation to no-lynch as well. You live and you learn I guess. Regardless, we need to get Blurry, xIvanJ and Jayte active. Also, let's start the voting process earlier day 2 so we don't have to rush it. Blurry says he's going to post his thoughts before the end of the night so let's make sure we hold him to that. As far as the active(ish) people: I'm feeling pretty good about Bereft because even with the hasty vote and (not that I did any better) how he appears less interested than at the start. He also didn't hop on any bandwagons so there's that too, if he were mafia he probably would have hopped on the MLuneth bandwagon, especially since he picked up on the Vigi claim (i didn't pick that up, chalk it up to inexperience I guess). I'm still not very convinced about stormtemplar. Waiting for his defense, he was here recently and should definitely be posting his defense. Hopefully, if he is scum, we can see some holes and I can hop on board the jonnylaw/heavenz train. I really want to start making some actual scum reads here but with this lack of activity I just can't, which is why I think we won't be making a mistake going after the quiet people. xIvanJ and Jayte, and Blurry if he doesn't follow up on his promise tomorrow. following your logic, if you switched to mluneth instead of blurry because you "didn't want to waste a lynch" on someone getting modkilled, how is targeting xlvanj and jayte any different since they'll also get modkilled/replaced if they don't vote again? | ||
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I really want to start making some actual scum reads here but with this lack of activity I just can't, which is why I think we won't be making a mistake going after the quiet people. xIvanJ and Jayte, and Blurry if he doesn't follow up on his promise tomorrow. | ||
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I really want to start making some actual scum reads here but with this lack of activity I just can't, which is why I think we won't be making a mistake going after the quiet people. xIvanJ and Jayte, and Blurry if he doesn't follow up on his promise tomorrow. | ||
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