Desert Mini Mafia

On August 29 2013 09:43 sciberbia wrote:
@rayn
Since you are very intent on understanding why I don't like your opening posts of the game, I will explain. The biggest problem is that the responses it generates are very similar from either alignment.

sensible town response: wtf are you doing rayn? explain yourself.
sensible scum response: wtf are you doing rayn? explain yourself.

on TK
For example, I'm having a hard time deciding whether TK's response was scum or town motivated. I can easily see scum motivation in trying to justify some wagon on rayn (assuming rayn is town), especially after sheeping onto yamato's policy wagon.

However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor.

I guess I'm back to nullish on TK.

On August 29 2013 15:58 FirmTofu wrote:
13 idiots walk into a bar.

Story of Idiot #1:
+ Show Spoiler +

To be continued...

On August 29 2013 13:19 debears wrote:
#vote scibs

his game reminds me of his scum game.

I see a divide btw him and rayn. I definitely dony see both as scum.

this smurf tonka stuff seems to be overreaction, but ill let if go yo see who it truly be. Ill look over scribs posts better later tonight when not drunk

<3 hopeless

On August 29 2013 14:57 Sylencia wrote:


Seems like a bit of a premature read considering he was only around for the first hour of gameplay - and reading the first few pages shows pretty much nothing, just people who are playing around since there's literally nothing to go off during the first few hours.

On August 29 2013 19:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
debears was apparently drunk hapa, does that help in understanding his posts? Cause I totally dont get debears 2nd post that you quoted.

On August 29 2013 19:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh @ Onegu

You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now?

On August 29 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, read FT's filter from Titanic and GoT and look at his general attitude towards me from the start of the game.

On August 29 2013 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why did he do that in the same manner in Titanic then?

On August 29 2013 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That makes no sense because FT never held me responsible for his lynch in GoT. Or, of course he did so AFTER the game when he found out i was scum, but it was iamp who was pushing FT lynch, not me.

Titanic happened before GoT, that's why you should look at it, because that's.. you know, important.

On August 29 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

After you have done that, could you tell the thread what do you think about FT's general attitude towards me in Titanic (i was afk for the first 24h so you might start at somewhere around p3 in his filter), Nuclear Winter mafia, GoT, and compare it to this game. Thanks.

On August 30 2013 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:

Welp theres my case falling apart guys. He got me. I'll go die of dehydration now.

On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.

First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.

What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.

Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.

If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later.

On August 30 2013 05:34 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Onegu



Can you explain your heavy-town read on Yamato? What do you mean by "zero posts like this?"

You seemed to have the opposite reaction to that post compared to most other people in the thread.

Also, you seem to be suspicious of marv - can you give more concrete/clear reasons?

On August 30 2013 02:58 debears wrote:
There are a few things I am not liking about my #3 suspect, Onegu

First off, has anyone here played with him and give me some insight on his skill level?

This post was scum city when i looked at it

What did he accomplish in that post? He touched on a few things that weren't the main happening in the thread at that point.
The main thing going on at that point was the raynp and scribs wrastling going on. Also, he didn't follow up and truly commit to anything in his following posts.

He has one scumread: me. For what exactly, I'm not sure. His focus has been commenting on random things.

Then, he says this in response to yamatos stuff about marv and hapa.



That's odd, because he hasn't shared any info with us on his judgement on both.

On August 30 2013 14:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you all caught up Onegu? What do you make of the recent cases on Syl and Hopeless?

What do you make of the interaction between myself/marv/yamato a couple of pages before?

On August 30 2013 09:24 sciberbia wrote:


Sure I'd be glad to. I agree mostly with what you have written about him, but have a couple things to add/emphasize.

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1) Hopeless's defense of his vote on TK sounds too much to me like a justification of himself and not enough like an argument why TK is scum.

+ Show Spoiler [hopeless] +

Hopeless has stuck to his "strong scumread" on TK but it doesn't seem to bother him too much that people like hapa/marv/myself are now quite sympathetic towards TK. I feel like from a townie there should be saying something like "Guys this is why he's scum. Why can't you see it? God this is so frustrating. Nobody believes me." I don't see any of this attitude in his filter.

Instead his tone comes off more as "it's ok with me if you guys interpret TK's actions as town, but please accept my scummy interpretation as valid too so my vote looks justified".

Basically I just do not feel like he is really trying to convince people that TK is scum, and one of the biggest defining traits of townies is that they fight tooth and nail to convince other townies of their best scum reads. Look at yamato and debears for contrast. I'm not saying they're necessarily town, but they don't take kindly to being disagreed with about their top scum reads.

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2) Subtle contradiction / shift in emphasis
At the beginning of the game, hopeless seems to be trying to make TK's first vote look bad:
+ Show Spoiler [hopeless] +

Hopeless doesn't outright say it, but he went out of his way to mention how TK's vote was a "sheep on some uknown policy" rather than a "troll vote" and then he says the vote post wasn't "completely damning" which implies it is still somewhat damning.

But recently he says he had no problem at all with the initial troll vote from TK and that his read on TK was a total null following that vote. It doesn't really match up for me, and this is the type of subtle shift that I believe is a fairly reliable scumtell.

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3) More minor point, but overall hopeless's lack of activity, lack of initiative in talking about anyone other than TK, and lack of any townie sparks that i can discern make me feel more comfortable in voting him.

##Vote Hopeless1der

On August 30 2013 15:31 Tutankoopa wrote:


I could write up a bunch of stuff about town reads, but do you want to hear that? I've been talking about and to hopeless since the 2nd hour of the game. I have voiced suspicions on other people but they have been varying degrees of AFK.

My reads match yours except for one or two differences. (Same for marv's reads I believe, I haven't read his filter lately.)

You probably don't need me to tell you my town reads, you should know that from reading my filter. Right now I am working with the idea that all the mafia are in the following group.

*Sylencia
-Oatsmaster
FirmTofu
-Onegu
**debears
--Hopeless1der
***marvellosity

* means that I think they're probably town but I need to see their play past D1 to come to a conclusion
- means I think they have at least a decent chance of flipping red

Hopeless is pretty scummy and the reasons why are public knowledge. When I read Onegu I don't see what he's doing, I don't see the purpose in his play. I asked him a question that hasn't been followed up on. An Oat's lynch is a coinflip and it will remain one until he returns to the thread. He had a weird start with his push on myself, and right as he was picking up steam he left the thread.

On August 30 2013 00:37 Tutankoopa wrote:


1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamato in my first post of the game.
2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards.

Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn.



Yes I had read his filter and I changed my mind on a reread. Editing takes effort.

I've read everything else in the thread but I don't have anything to say about any of it.

On August 30 2013 15:55 sciberbia wrote:


Hm I really have no idea about the relative 'veteran status' levels of debears, yamato, and Hopeless1der and would have assumed they were similar but maybe I was wrong.

Your anecodote does make me feel more sympathetic. Grrr... Yea not sure. I'm sure I'll spend plenty of time thinking about hopeless tmrw and don't feel like doing any more now.

I'm signing out for now. G'night guys.