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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 27 2013 17:06 GMT
#51
I've been having a hankering for some mafia lately.
/in
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 28 2013 23:44 GMT
#132
K, ready to get all Jihad up in here.
/sheep oats
##Vote: tutankoopa

fer realz doe
On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet

what's the policy?<--

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 28 2013 23:48 GMT
#136
On August 29 2013 08:46 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
K, ready to get all Jihad up in here.
/sheep oats
##Vote: tutankoopa

fer realz doe
On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet

what's the policy?<--


Are you reading the thread? Yes?

Then you understand the policy.

I might understand it, but I still don't know what it is....
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 28 2013 23:55 GMT
#138
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 00:03 GMT
#141
sciberbia, was my explanation for voting TK serious enough?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 00:14 GMT
#147
On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?


1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts.
2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn

##unvote

just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated.

"Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 00:40 GMT
#154
On August 29 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?


1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts.
2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn

##unvote

just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated.

"Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...

I actually would like you to explain me why would scum make a post Sn0 did?
Think for a moment you are scum, would you do that? Think for a moment you would. Why would you do that?


Demonstrates I'm "actively reading", albeit it's flavor text. Also a moderate amount of paranoia to look like I'm scared of all the things. Furthermore, errant setup speculation is definitely something mafia wants to do to look like they're contributing. As an OP, its a null post. If he were to make that type of post tomorrow, I'd call him scum on the spot.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 16:31 GMT
#395
On August 30 2013 00:37 Tutankoopa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa i would like you to explain a couple of things:
On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?

How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense.


1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamatorayn in my first post of the game.
2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards.

Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.

My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted.

What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post?


Yes I had read his filter and I changed my mind on a reread. Editing takes effort.

I've read everything else in the thread but I don't have anything to say about any of it.


That is NOT why I think you are scum. Your backpedaling off Rayn, dropping what seemed to be reasonable suspicion with no further reasoning than quoting:
On August 29 2013 08:36 yamato77 wrote:
this is now entering stupid territory

is why i think you are scum TK.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 16:49 GMT
#397
Bearing in mind that I think Tutan is scum, in regards to the questions that TK has ignored from Rayn
On August 30 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 01:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
Re: Rayn

1) Anyone who claims that I was seriously pushing a lynching with my first post is playing dumb. I don't think hopeless is capable of that logic. He's being ever so serious about his case on a guy's first post of the game and it doesn't feel right.
2) re read what I wrote. You are 100% incorrect about this.
3) you are the one who made it an issue. I've said as little as possible about it and only when asked about by you.

1) But why did you use the exact wording you used in your question to Hopeless? Your answer to me now is nowhere near an answer to the question you asked from Hopeless. It's a completely different thing.
2) Simple question. Why do you post before you have read the whole thread? You never answered me.
3) For real man. Your first post in this game is a direct smurf claim or a scum claim. Do you disagree?


1) He used that wording, and that entire post to draw more attention to the policy and less to why I actually think he's scum.
2) Pretend Oats isn't in that quote at all. Its still a load of wishywashy summary crap. I'm "weird" and me and yamato can't both be scum. [marv, this is what you like? herpderp maybe yam or you scum. nowait Hapa inactive or something hes scum]
3) I'd actually chalk that up to early trolling more than anything else.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 16:58 GMT
#402
On August 30 2013 01:52 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hopeless, look me in the eye and tell me that you think this post...

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet

what's the policy?


...implies a serious intent to lynch. If it doesn't, your entire case against me falls apart. How long are you going to keep pretending like you have a real case?

Welp theres my case falling apart guys. He got me. I'll go die of dehydration now.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 17:49 GMT
#429
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 20:52 GMT
#501
On August 30 2013 05:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am actaully interested in hearing who you think is scum Hapa. Right now i have no idea.


Hopeless is probably my strongest scum-read at this stage. His push on TK seems very forced, and he seems more interested in piling shit on TK as opposed to questioning him and trying to figure out TK's alignment. This for example...

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 01:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
Bearing in mind that I think Tutan is scum, in regards to the questions that TK has ignored from Rayn
On August 30 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2013 01:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
Re: Rayn

1) Anyone who claims that I was seriously pushing a lynching with my first post is playing dumb. I don't think hopeless is capable of that logic. He's being ever so serious about his case on a guy's first post of the game and it doesn't feel right.
2) re read what I wrote. You are 100% incorrect about this.
3) you are the one who made it an issue. I've said as little as possible about it and only when asked about by you.

1) But why did you use the exact wording you used in your question to Hopeless? Your answer to me now is nowhere near an answer to the question you asked from Hopeless. It's a completely different thing.
2) Simple question. Why do you post before you have read the whole thread? You never answered me.
3) For real man. Your first post in this game is a direct smurf claim or a scum claim. Do you disagree?


1) He used that wording, and that entire post to draw more attention to the policy and less to why I actually think he's scum.
2) Pretend Oats isn't in that quote at all. Its still a load of wishywashy summary crap. I'm "weird" and me and yamato can't both be scum. [marv, this is what you like? herpderp maybe yam or you scum. nowait Hapa inactive or something hes scum]
3) I'd actually chalk that up to early trolling more than anything else.


...is just shit-flinging. Hopless is in attack-mode and doing little else.

I really don't understand the confidence that Hopeless has in his early game TK read, much less confident enough to not ask a single question to TK all game so far and simply push for TK's lynch.

This interaction in particular is really worrying for me:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 01:52 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hopeless, look me in the eye and tell me that you think this post...

On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet

what's the policy?


...implies a serious intent to lynch. If it doesn't, your entire case against me falls apart. How long are you going to keep pretending like you have a real case?

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 30 2013 01:52 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hopeless, look me in the eye and tell me that you think this post...

On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet

what's the policy?


...implies a serious intent to lynch. If it doesn't, your entire case against me falls apart. How long are you going to keep pretending like you have a real case?

Welp theres my case falling apart guys. He got me. I'll go die of dehydration now.


TK comes in with a pretty reasonable point and fairly calm-attitude, and Hopeless (with little provocation) responds with this biting sarcasm and basically ignores the point completely.

My reasons for voting TK do not (nor have they ever) hinged upon the fact that he sheeped yamato's "policy" vote. Every time TK tries to respond to me, he says "but i wasnt really going to push him". No shit sherlock (insert sarcastic responses here).
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 21:01 GMT
#508
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


You just stopped halfway through your thought process. Does not compute.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 21:09 GMT
#511
On August 30 2013 06:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 06:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


You just stopped halfway through your thought process. Does not compute.


Do you think that "stopping halfway through one's thought process" is a 100% damning scum-tell?

no. His scumreads are (were?) here:

On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.

My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted.

Thats a load of garbage imo.



On August 30 2013 05:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
Iunno he seems to be wilfully misconstruing your posting and kinda tunnelling some. Plus a general lack of activity.

I don't seriously wish to lynch anybody yet, that stuff starts (for me) in ~20 hrs but I was expecting you to push him a bit more. How about dis:

@Hopeless: I assume you are out there somewhere. Why so tunnelled on the smurf? Got any other thoughts on who might be scummy? I'm bored and the people currently around want to lynch Onegu and Sylencia, whom I think are lynchbait atm. Agree? Disagree?


I have no problem with sylencia. I get the impression that he actually has been reading filters like he says he is. His suspicions amount to little more than lurkers, but its something.

Onegu would probably be lynchbait. Not sure yet. FT has yet to check in with anything meaningful, so for the sake of consolidation I'd consider clearing out the chaff. However, this is plurality so I don't need to worry about him yet.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 21:13 GMT
#517
On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget

Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?

rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.

Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe.

marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 21:24 GMT
#528
On August 30 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget

Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?

rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.

Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe.

marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly.


Tell me what 'town' TK would/should have done? Or why what he didn't couldn't come from town? Or both indeed :p

Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 21:28 GMT
#533
On August 30 2013 06:24 sciberbia wrote:
@hopeless1der
1) What was your genuine read on TK after his very first post of the game in which he voted rayn? Null, slightly scummy, scummy?
2) Why is the following not a plausible explanation for TK's actions:
First TK votes rayn for no reason cuz random bullshit phase. Then TK sees rayn doing some pretty confusing shit so asks him to explain. Then TK realizes that rayn is probably town for drawing attention and that his questions to rayn are going nowhere, so he retracts his vote and moves on with his life.

1) null
2) without knowing who TK is, I cannot know his preference for spam at the time of his questions. They seemed reasonable questions to ask (from either alignment, as noted by scib you earlier. The retraction would have been okay if he'd elaborated any more than this, but instead it feels like hes trying to sweep things under the rug and hoping people stop asking questions.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 21:35 GMT
#536
On August 30 2013 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 30 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget

Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?

rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.

Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe.

marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly.


Tell me what 'town' TK would/should have done? Or why what he didn't couldn't come from town? Or both indeed :p

Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo.


? you think the vote was serious enough in the first place to warrant needing more posts to unvote? Why make the vote in the first place if he was then going to be scared to leave it parked? Do you think the type of player who'll jump on to a silly policy vote is scared to remove his vote? Has his play seemed scared to you?

I'm barraging you with questions because I want to know if you can understand the really obvious alternative.

I think I address this in my response to scib.




@Hapa
Rayn and Oats have already asked/brought up concerns I had, so I would have been parroting them if I asked more questions. I'm not 100% convinced, but he's my strongest read. I don't have legit scumreads formed on anyone else yet. Mostly lurkers bothering me and debears being silly. I figure I'm in a similar boat to your feelings on him. Maybe not so strong as you.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 29 2013 22:04 GMT
#547
On August 30 2013 06:57 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Hopeless + TK

Where'd you both run off to?

Painting my room =\
K question for TK then. Why did you say only one of Yamato/me would be scum?
On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.

My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted.

Surely you have more than they're weird/shitting on the thread? More recent scumreads perhaps?
You never actually stated your own preference when asking Hapa about debears:
On August 30 2013 05:29 Tutankoopa wrote:
You're obviously the worst person to ask this but would you have still unvoted debears about now had I not asked you that question?

What are your thoughts on debears atm?
Also, sorry I'm not as forthcoming with my own thoughts at the moment save for my tunnel. I'll reread in a couple hours and go from there.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 31 2013 23:59 GMT
#1409
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2013 08:44 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 08:40 marvellosity wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:39 debears wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
I'm LALing any future games.


At least this game just got a whole lot more interesting and fun for me :D


yeah, i wanted to go to bed half an hour ago :/

might have to leave thinking about this until tomorrow tbh


It's fine. No ones on anyhow. Would be way more epic with everyone here.

Can i get a popcorn observers?



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