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@ Marv, Yamato, Oats, and Rayn
Play nice.
Between the four of you, there is enormous thread-shitting potential, and how town does in this game is going to be determined by how well everyone can get along together. If you are town, stop with the antagonism. Going around and burning every bridge you can in this game is not how Day 1 is played.
##Vote Debears
Of all the people in the thread so far, Debears' push on Sciberia bothers me the most. I really don't understand the suspicions on scib all that much, and he's firmly null in my mind.
On August 29 2013 13:19 debears wrote:
#vote scibs
his game reminds me of his scum game.
I see a divide btw him and rayn. I definitely dony see both as scum.
this smurf tonka stuff seems to be overreaction, but ill let if go yo see who it truly be. Ill look over scribs posts better later tonight when not drunk
<3 hopeless
The bolded is completely random and unsubstantiated. Reminds me of his scum-game is such a cop-out read, much less when it's unexplained to everyone else in the thread.
On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote:
Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town).
Vote scribs guise
So according to this, debears doesn't care whether Scib is dumb town or scum. He mentions both, then uses it as a justification to vote.
That's pretty darrrrrn scummy.
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On August 29 2013 19:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
debears was apparently drunk hapa, does that help in understanding his posts? Cause I totally dont get debears 2nd post that you quoted.
Drunk-posting isn't alignment indicative.
As far as that 2nd post is concerned, yes it's worded a bit wonky, but I think the motivations displayed are scummy. As far as I understand it...
On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote:
Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town.
"Scib's read is really stupid as town"
As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town).
"Scib's read is really stupid as scum, but there's some motivations for it as scum"
Vote scribs guise
Therefore... vote scib.
I really don't get it. Perhaps debears is drunk off his ass and just posted something completely terrible, but the push itself is really bad. We'll see how he reacts in the morning. In the mean time, voting someone because he gave an early-town read out is absurd.
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On August 29 2013 19:14 marvellosity wrote:Hapa, for you I'm not going to respond to Oats' shitpost right there. Hapa, you don't buy debears being drunk? Or you do buy it but you don't think it excuses what he wrote? Strong enough for a vote even? Also Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:09 Hapahauli wrote:On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote:
Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town).
Vote scribs guise So according to this, debears doesn't care whether Scib is dumb town or scum. He mentions both, then uses it as a justification to vote. That's pretty darrrrrn scummy. I read this as "it's retarded as both alignments, but has motivations for one alignment, ergo he's that alignment" no?
Oh. Uhhh... yeah that actually makes more sense.
Regardless, I still find the vote/logic absolutely terrible. I'll keep my vote on until I get a sober answer out of debears and/or I find a better candidate.
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On August 29 2013 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Hapa wanna lynch marv?
Why would I want to do that? I'm actually leaning town on marv because he seems legitimately impatient/offended at the people attacking him. And not in a scum-marv "holier than thou" way.
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On August 29 2013 19:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why so defensive hapa?
How so? I really don't understand how it's possible for me to be defensive when you're not pressuring me =/
Would you vote for tuntonka?
So far, no. His mindset-shift on Rayn struck me as really town:
On August 29 2013 08:46 Tutankoopa wrote:
rayn, here is what happened in chonological order
1. Sno posted.
2. You voted for him, 4 minutes after his post.
3. Then you say that based on his first post, Sno is town.
explain?
On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn
##unvote
Something like that shows that he's thinking about his reads and isn't desperate to tunnel someone. I think a good scum-player *could* fake that, but I'd put my money on it being a genuine town-mindset for now.
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On August 29 2013 19:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn already didnt want to explain his 180 to both me and yamato, why would he explain it to Tutan? I assume that Tutan saw the responses to me and yamato already and withdrew his question.
It looks to me like he posted his initial case, then realized that he was barking up the wrong tree. I had much the same reaction to reading Rayn's opening barrage of posts.
"Oookay interesting vote on SnO... wait wut he think's Sno is town?!? How does that make any goddamn sense?"
"Oh wait that's the most absurdly attention-whorey move ever, seems townie."
Also wasnt tuntankoopa's vote a policy vote anyway? So once the policy got no traction, UNVOTE. I dont see any evidence of Tutan thinking that rayn was scum.
I agree that it was mostly a random early-game policy vote. How is retracting an early-game policy vote scummy?
Anyway, Tutan can give a defense for himself. No sense in me doing his job for him this early int he game.
Bah. I've stayed up waaaaay too late, and I need to go to bed.
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Oh @ Onegu
You have two posts commenting on reads so far, but you haven't given any concrete opinions. You've criticized several statements/posts so far but haven't offered anything of your own. Do you have any strong reads any which way right now?
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Couple of things from the night:
@ Debears
That sciberia case is an absolute trainwreck.
On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 02:44 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. + Show Spoiler +
So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?
Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you" I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego. How about this line from him? On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me?
Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious). If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself. The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia Follow me?> I don't think so. My thought process on him is the following: He noticed my posting at the start of this game was quite similar than in Ego. We were both town in that game. I was actually "shitposting" there as i had no time to play that game in the beginning. He thought i would follow up like i did in Ego, therefore he told people to ignore me. When i askd him "why shut me down" he realized i am not going to play like i did in Ego, and clarified his statement that if i am gonna shitpost, i should be ignored. If not, i should be listened. That post of mine directed to him was actually contentful and he realized he was wrong on me, and retracted from his argument. As i said before he could be doing that as scum aswell, but i do not think it makes him scum because i can see why he did what he did from town pov. On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him. I don't understand your first post about Sno in any way. How does reading the OP = "trying to look like you are reading the thread"? Ok I see what you mean from this post Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey sciberbia, what was the point in your first post? Does that help us find mafia in some way? The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me. Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow. I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation. Still, that leaves other questions: - why has his scumhunting been lacking? - why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1? - why is he speculating on the third party? Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you.
Of the three, the first is the only one that could be allignment indicative. And even then, saying that "someone hasn't scumhunted" is the most confirmation-biased possible read there is.
In fact, you do point out "his posts on you" in your case on him. It seems like he has scum-hunted, but you aren't happy with his analysis as opposed to objectively considering his contributions.
@ Yamato
On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.
You're someone that can be considered a town-leader in your own right, and I'd expect more of a contribution on Day 1 than this.
First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.
Marv sounds very bitchy to me. In fact, it sounds as if his emotions are a bit out of control when responding to things. When marv is scum, he says things that people want to hear, and doesn't antagonize the vocal town population.
It sounds like you two got into a fight, and your ego's are preventing both of you from backing down from each other.
Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later.
Really? I haven't gone after someone early on in the other 70 games I've played with you?
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Hai there, just wakin' up and catchin' up.
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On August 30 2013 05:08 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 04:58 Hapahauli wrote:Couple of things from the night: @ DebearsThat sciberia case is an absolute trainwreck. On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 02:44 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. + Show Spoiler +
So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?
Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you" I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego. How about this line from him? On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me?
Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious). If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself. The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia Follow me?> I don't think so. My thought process on him is the following: He noticed my posting at the start of this game was quite similar than in Ego. We were both town in that game. I was actually "shitposting" there as i had no time to play that game in the beginning. He thought i would follow up like i did in Ego, therefore he told people to ignore me. When i askd him "why shut me down" he realized i am not going to play like i did in Ego, and clarified his statement that if i am gonna shitpost, i should be ignored. If not, i should be listened. That post of mine directed to him was actually contentful and he realized he was wrong on me, and retracted from his argument. As i said before he could be doing that as scum aswell, but i do not think it makes him scum because i can see why he did what he did from town pov. On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him. I don't understand your first post about Sno in any way. How does reading the OP = "trying to look like you are reading the thread"? Ok I see what you mean from this post On August 29 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey sciberbia, what was the point in your first post? Does that help us find mafia in some way? The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me. Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow. I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation. Still, that leaves other questions: - why has his scumhunting been lacking? - why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1? - why is he speculating on the third party? Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you. Of the three, the first is the only one that could be allignment indicative. And even then, saying that "someone hasn't scumhunted" is the most confirmation-biased possible read there is. In fact, you do point out "his posts on you" in your case on him. It seems like he has scum-hunted, but you aren't happy with his analysis as opposed to objectively considering his contributions. + Show Spoiler +
@ YamatoOn August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them. You're someone that can be considered a town-leader in your own right, and I'd expect more of a contribution on Day 1 than this. First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note. Marv sounds very bitchy to me. In fact, it sounds as if his emotions are a bit out of control when responding to things. When marv is scum, he says things that people want to hear, and doesn't antagonize the vocal town population. It sounds like you two got into a fight, and your ego's are preventing both of you from backing down from each other. Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. Really? I haven't gone after someone early on in the other 70 games I've played with you? Hi Hapa dappa doo. Hapa lets do a check list on scribs contributions - a 95% town read (raynp) - a null read (TK) - two twoliner scumreads on sn0 and yamato this
All that above is more than what 50% of the thread has done so far in terms of content. Also, you seem to be trapping him in this cycle more than anything. Most of his time has been spent defending himself from you, and in-spite of being on the back foot I see him pursuing his reads (such as on Yamato). I mean how the hell do you even defend a "has not scumhunted" case 12 hours into the game?
Also, you know very well that town should have no interest whatsoever in any possible third party speculation in most setups, this one included. I'm kinda suprised that you would say it's not alignment indicative whatsoever.
Third-party speculation is completely non-allignment indicative. If he's hunting third-parties and completely fixated on them, that's a different story. Just pondering the existence of one is no big deal, especially since he brought the point up while discussion of setup-speculation.
And that leaves this question hapa: What is your read on raynp?
I gave it before:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=13#249
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On August 30 2013 05:17 debears wrote:
That is not a read on raynp
Scum, Town, Null?
Town
"Oookay interesting vote on SnO... wait wut he think's Sno is town?!? How does that make any goddamn sense?"
"Oh wait that's the most absurdly attention-whorey move ever, seems townie."
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On August 30 2013 05:20 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:19 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 05:17 debears wrote:
That is not a read on raynp
Scum, Town, Null? Town "Oookay interesting vote on SnO... wait wut he think's Sno is town?!? How does that make any goddamn sense?"
"Oh wait that's the most absurdly attention-whorey move ever, seems townie." How town?
Do you not read what I post? The 180 he did is so absurdly attention-grabby, and makes incredibly very little sense as scum. As scum, you want to vote someone and justify it to look "clean." Rayn certainly can spam a thread to hell as either allignment, but going in, voting someone, then 180'ing on it right away on such strong terms is incredibly attention-grabby and not something I'd think a scum would go into a thread and plan.
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On August 30 2013 05:20 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hapa, did you see my question?
On August 30 2013 05:07 Tutankoopa wrote:Do you have an opinion about what this post says about his alignment? Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 03:28 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears you are right about what you said.
Also i have a question to you:
Have you actually read the whole thread? I mean, sciberbia's attitude towards me and Onegu's town-meta have been topics of discussion before and they have been explained. Why have you missed them if you have read the thread before you started posting? When I see a bunch of short posts about different people from different people, I tune out. It's worthless trying to keep that organized in my head. I worry about the main happenings. Who's against who. Who's active and talking to others about actual stuff. That kinda thing. I only zone in when something jumps out (have a feeling)
It's certainly a candid post but nothing that sways me either way by itself.
Right now I'm trying to determine if debears' push on syl is malicious or confirmation-biased. I'm leaning towards the latter right now, but still not 100% sure.
Regardless, he's not scummy enough to have my vote on him
##Unvote
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On August 30 2013 05:29 debears wrote:You guys are no fun......how do you both go from scum to dumb town at the same time on me  Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 05:20 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 05:19 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 05:17 debears wrote:
That is not a read on raynp
Scum, Town, Null? Town "Oookay interesting vote on SnO... wait wut he think's Sno is town?!? How does that make any goddamn sense?"
"Oh wait that's the most absurdly attention-whorey move ever, seems townie." How town? Do you not read what I post? The 180 he did is so absurdly attention-grabby, and makes incredibly very little sense as scum. As scum, you want to vote someone and justify it to look "clean." Rayn certainly can spam a thread to hell as either allignment, but going in, voting someone, then 180'ing on it right away on such strong terms is incredibly attention-grabby and not something I'd think a scum would go into a thread and plan. The point of this post was to get a number from you, but you clearly must have a 95% town read on him also. Good to know
Numbers are stupid... as if you can "quantify" someone's alignment. But yes, I have a fairly strong town-read on Rayn. Is that relevant in some way?
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On August 30 2013 05:29 Tutankoopa wrote:
You're obviously the worst person to ask this but would you have still unvoted debears about now had I not asked you that question?
I probably would have kept the screws on a bit more and then unvoted. Can't say for certain how our conversation would have ended up though.
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@ Onegu
On August 30 2013 02:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.
First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.
Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. I actually agree with this post alot, and it gives me heavy town read from yamato, as I have only played with him being mafia and he had zero posts like this. I dont know thier meta as well as alot of people, but I do like how hapa called me out with reasons, while marv just said I would be the second person he would lynch because he doesnt know where I am going.
Can you explain your heavy-town read on Yamato? What do you mean by "zero posts like this?"
You seemed to have the opposite reaction to that post compared to most other people in the thread.
Also, you seem to be suspicious of marv - can you give more concrete/clear reasons?
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On August 30 2013 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am actaully interested in hearing who you think is scum Hapa. Right now i have no idea.
Hopeless is probably my strongest scum-read at this stage. His push on TK seems very forced, and he seems more interested in piling shit on TK as opposed to questioning him and trying to figure out TK's alignment. This for example...
On August 30 2013 01:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Bearing in mind that I think Tutan is scum, in regards to the questions that TK has ignored from RaynShow nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 01:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
Re: Rayn
1) Anyone who claims that I was seriously pushing a lynching with my first post is playing dumb. I don't think hopeless is capable of that logic. He's being ever so serious about his case on a guy's first post of the game and it doesn't feel right.
2) re read what I wrote. You are 100% incorrect about this.
3) you are the one who made it an issue. I've said as little as possible about it and only when asked about by you. 1) But why did you use the exact wording you used in your question to Hopeless? Your answer to me now is nowhere near an answer to the question you asked from Hopeless. It's a completely different thing. 2) Simple question. Why do you post before you have read the whole thread? You never answered me. 3) For real man. Your first post in this game is a direct smurf claim or a scum claim. Do you disagree? 1) He used that wording, and that entire post to draw more attention to the policy and less to why I actually think he's scum. 2) Pretend Oats isn't in that quote at all. Its still a load of wishywashy summary crap. I'm "weird" and me and yamato can't both be scum. [marv, this is what you like? herpderp maybe yam or you scum. nowait Hapa inactive or something hes scum] 3) I'd actually chalk that up to early trolling more than anything else.
...is just shit-flinging. Hopless is in attack-mode and doing little else.
I really don't understand the confidence that Hopeless has in his early game TK read, much less confident enough to not ask a single question to TK all game so far and simply push for TK's lynch.
This interaction in particular is really worrying for me:
On August 30 2013 01:52 Tutankoopa wrote:Hopeless, look me in the eye and tell me that you think this post... Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet
what's the policy? ...implies a serious intent to lynch. If it doesn't, your entire case against me falls apart. How long are you going to keep pretending like you have a real case?
On August 30 2013 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:52 Tutankoopa wrote:Hopeless, look me in the eye and tell me that you think this post... On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet
what's the policy? ...implies a serious intent to lynch. If it doesn't, your entire case against me falls apart. How long are you going to keep pretending like you have a real case? Welp theres my case falling apart guys. He got me. I'll go die of dehydration now.
TK comes in with a pretty reasonable point and fairly calm-attitude, and Hopeless (with little provocation) responds with this biting sarcasm and basically ignores the point completely.
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On August 30 2013 05:52 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:49 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am actaully interested in hearing who you think is scum Hapa. Right now i have no idea. Hopeless is probably my strongest scum-read at this stage. His push on TK seems very forced, and he seems more interested in piling shit on TK as opposed to questioning him and trying to figure out TK's alignment. This for example... On August 30 2013 01:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Bearing in mind that I think Tutan is scum, in regards to the questions that TK has ignored from RaynOn August 30 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 01:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
Re: Rayn
1) Anyone who claims that I was seriously pushing a lynching with my first post is playing dumb. I don't think hopeless is capable of that logic. He's being ever so serious about his case on a guy's first post of the game and it doesn't feel right.
2) re read what I wrote. You are 100% incorrect about this.
3) you are the one who made it an issue. I've said as little as possible about it and only when asked about by you. 1) But why did you use the exact wording you used in your question to Hopeless? Your answer to me now is nowhere near an answer to the question you asked from Hopeless. It's a completely different thing. 2) Simple question. Why do you post before you have read the whole thread? You never answered me. 3) For real man. Your first post in this game is a direct smurf claim or a scum claim. Do you disagree? 1) He used that wording, and that entire post to draw more attention to the policy and less to why I actually think he's scum. 2) Pretend Oats isn't in that quote at all. Its still a load of wishywashy summary crap. I'm "weird" and me and yamato can't both be scum. [marv, this is what you like? herpderp maybe yam or you scum. nowait Hapa inactive or something hes scum] 3) I'd actually chalk that up to early trolling more than anything else. ...is just shit-flinging. Hopless is in attack-mode and doing little else. I really don't understand the confidence that Hopeless has in his early game TK read, much less confident enough to not ask a single question to TK all game so far and simply push for TK's lynch. This interaction in particular is really worrying for me: On August 30 2013 01:52 Tutankoopa wrote:Hopeless, look me in the eye and tell me that you think this post... On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet
what's the policy? ...implies a serious intent to lynch. If it doesn't, your entire case against me falls apart. How long are you going to keep pretending like you have a real case? On August 30 2013 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2013 01:52 Tutankoopa wrote:Hopeless, look me in the eye and tell me that you think this post... On August 29 2013 08:19 Tutankoopa wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet
what's the policy? ...implies a serious intent to lynch. If it doesn't, your entire case against me falls apart. How long are you going to keep pretending like you have a real case? Welp theres my case falling apart guys. He got me. I'll go die of dehydration now. TK comes in with a pretty reasonable point and fairly calm-attitude, and Hopeless (with little provocation) responds with this biting sarcasm and basically ignores the point completely. My reasons for voting TK do not (nor have they ever) hinged upon the fact that he sheeped yamato's "policy" vote. Every time TK tries to respond to me, he says "but i wasnt really going to push him". No shit sherlock (insert sarcastic responses here).
My issue with your push on TK is that you don't seem at all interested in finding out his allignment. Surely you aren't so sure that he's scum 12 hours into the day that you're just willign to go attack-dog mode on him?
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On August 30 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno Hapa, he has been ignoring the point all game long and it has been pointed out multiple times. Why would he do that as mafia? I mean ignore something that obvious a townie said?
Who are you talking about?
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