• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:31
CET 22:31
KST 06:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book8Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info5herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)8Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0
StarCraft 2
General
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) WardiTV Mondays $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 512 Overclocked The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? StarCraft player reflex TE scores BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2000 users

[VODs&Reps] Jaystar vs Ssak + Jaystar commentary

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 14:53:45
August 18 2013 14:46 GMT
#1
China BW is continuing to flex its monetary muscles, and found sponsors for various show matches.

Jaystar arguably has the best PvT in China, which is why the organizers arranged a show match between Jaystar and the recent SRT runner up Ssak.

Two players will play five games, taking 200 RMB (~35 US) for each game won.

I honestly think these were good games (except maybe game one), and Jaystar put up a really good show against a top tier sospa player.

VODs:
Game 1
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMxMzc2.html

Game 2
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMxNDQw.html

Game 3
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMwMjQw.html

Game 4
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMxNzMy.html

Game 5
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMyMTk2.html

Replays: mods please rehost and edit this if possible
reps




Jaystar's thoughts on these games:

Intro

I didn't have a chance to practise too much because my baby was sick, and it's hard to find a Terran to practise against, so I prepared by thinking of strategies. I do want to thank The.WK [he plays protoss I'm pretty sure] and OnlyZerg [not sure who this is, not very good probably] practising with me this afternoon.

+ Show Spoiler [game 1] +

Fighting Spirit:

I've played this map the most, and I feel that double gate opening is very effective on this map. I saw ssak at 1, and saw his marines, so I knew he was going with the SK push. I chose to place my goons at 12, and move them downwards to avoid the main entrance [avoid mines], and waited for opportunities for him to move out so that I can move the goons in. Ssak played extremely safe, and did not push out, so I was already behind from the opening because I made eight goons before I put down my nat.

I made small gains afterwards, but ssak managed to kill off my third, so I was instantly put at a disadvantage. This disadvantage became bigger and bigger due to skill differences, and naturally lost the game.


+ Show Spoiler [game 2] +

Circuit Breaker:

Four player map, and farther spawns than FS, so I chose to fast expand. I chose tech after fast expand so that I can have faster goon range to preparation for SCV + rine + vulture + bunker [i.e. typical Terran response to FE]. Ssak also chose FE, when I saw his SCV with my Zealot from 1 o'clock, I knew he was at 5. After I saw his bunker, I knew he also went FE, so I shot at his bunker with my ranged goons [to make him lose minerals and mining time] and harassed with my reaver and upgraded shuttle speed. I attacked from the front while harassing, hoping to upset the tempo/pace [this is a commonly discussed topic in the current Chinese scene, talking about the tempo and pace of a player, post in the bottom if this doesn't make sense], and there was also the possibility that I could win right then and there. Ssak defended very well, but I still killed SCVs with my reaver. I knew T only had 2 gasses, so I chose to go with carriers, which is how I won. Ssak's push was a little careless, and I knew I had won after I fended it off.


+ Show Spoiler [game 3] +

Destination:

Everything went as I had planned for this game. I prepared for FE and hide robo behind his nat. I also prepared ahead of time that if he went with an SCV counter, I would give up my natural and defend the high ground, and use reavers and DTs. I was a little greedy in the game, and made a zealot instead of dragoon for a quicker robo. This caused ssak to sneak in his vulture. Luckily I killed it with my probes. I was also lucky that ssak started building tanks instead of vultures [to siege vs to push and harass]. Afterwards, I won with my reaver and DT. Went exactly as I had planned.


+ Show Spoiler [game 4] +

Aztec:

My stategy going into this game was forward gateway -> zealot -> goon. I studied his games from before where he opened standard SK, and wanted to keep him in the low ground. Unfortunately, ssak opened with Barracks FE, and immediately prepared for reaver drop, so my strategy did not work as planned.

The key point of the game was that I forgot to upgrade Stasis, and did not start the research until I had 90 energy for my first arbiter. This allowed ssak to successfully push towards my 3rd. I waited for my stasis, and did not push back. If I had stasis, I would have probably broken out of the contain.

I was very nervous in this game because I felt I was very closing to winning three games. I didn't play as well as I did in the first three.


+ Show Spoiler [game 5] +

Medusa:

I chose a no-robo fast carrier build for this map because there is no quick third gas. Carriers are also very good on this map.

I built up a large army in the beginning while teching to carriers. Ssak played very cautiously, and I did not find a single opening to attack with my large army. When I finally attacked, it had a terrible outcome because I lost all of my army and my 4th. I didn't even buy myself some more time to build more carriers. Medusa has a very flat centre and I was not about to walk around the terran army. I also realized that I forgot to upgrade interceptor capacities towards the end. It was overall a very regretful game.


Final thoughts

The difference is definitely there. There was a lot of pressure playing against ex pros. I hope there will be more of these games between Chinese and Korean players. There are no more pro clubs in China and Korea, but as long as there are people who enjoy the game [both players and fans], we can still keep BW alive.

Thanking the sponsor and hoping Fengzi play well in RO8 of SRT.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 18 2013 15:01 GMT
#2
Thanks a lot Cambium, gonna watch that now.
ॐ
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 18 2013 15:11 GMT
#3
Judging from the commentaries from Jaystar during the last match I think he got too nervous and that got the best of him. Anyway thank you for doing this cambium looking forward for more of this.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
August 18 2013 15:19 GMT
#4
awwww yeah thank you!!!
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
August 18 2013 16:00 GMT
#5
This is great, thank you.
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
August 18 2013 17:40 GMT
#6
Woooo more stuff to watch, thanks so much for bringing this to us Cambium!

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
August 18 2013 19:47 GMT
#7
Wow, Jaystar did really, really well. Good preparation and with little less nerves, he could've taken Ssak out.

Also, I think the comment about 'upsetting one's tempo / pace' is their way of saying 'to throw off the opponent from his comfort zone' or perhaps 'to gain momentum' (I don't know Chinese, just guessing because 'upsetting tempo' taken literally doesn't make any sense at all). Either way, thanks Cambium, those are another couple promising replays to go through.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
August 18 2013 23:16 GMT
#8
hmh im gonna watch some of those right now. Im most interested in the chinese scene now, especially when it serves me in getting an idea of the players strength. Therefore showmatches against SOSPA players are great.
Broodwar for life!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
18:45
Patch Clash Showdown #3
RotterdaM436
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 553
RotterdaM 436
ForJumy 81
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 12305
Horang2 232
Hyun 161
Shuttle 35
Dota 2
Dendi761
syndereN272
BananaSlamJamma124
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1829
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor481
Other Games
summit1g5647
FrodaN5127
Grubby4436
Liquid`RaSZi2004
B2W.Neo923
Mlord831
Liquid`Hasu335
mouzStarbuck319
ToD198
Chillindude39
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1919
EGCTV1777
BasetradeTV109
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile116
• Adnapsc2 12
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 32
• blackmanpl 29
• RayReign 12
• Michael_bg 8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21096
• WagamamaTV469
League of Legends
• Doublelift4496
Other Games
• imaqtpie2279
• Shiphtur327
Upcoming Events
OSC
2h 29m
Replay Cast
11h 29m
Wardi Open
14h 29m
Monday Night Weeklies
19h 29m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 12h
LiuLi Cup
1d 13h
Reynor vs Creator
Maru vs Lambo
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Clem vs Rogue
SHIN vs Cyan
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
Scarlett vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
4 days
Online Event
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Serral vs Zoun
Cure vs Classic
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.