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[VODs&Reps] Jaystar vs Ssak + Jaystar commentary

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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 14:53:45
August 18 2013 14:46 GMT
#1
China BW is continuing to flex its monetary muscles, and found sponsors for various show matches.

Jaystar arguably has the best PvT in China, which is why the organizers arranged a show match between Jaystar and the recent SRT runner up Ssak.

Two players will play five games, taking 200 RMB (~35 US) for each game won.

I honestly think these were good games (except maybe game one), and Jaystar put up a really good show against a top tier sospa player.

VODs:
Game 1
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMxMzc2.html

Game 2
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMxNDQw.html

Game 3
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMwMjQw.html

Game 4
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMxNzMy.html

Game 5
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3MzMyMTk2.html

Replays: mods please rehost and edit this if possible
reps




Jaystar's thoughts on these games:

Intro

I didn't have a chance to practise too much because my baby was sick, and it's hard to find a Terran to practise against, so I prepared by thinking of strategies. I do want to thank The.WK [he plays protoss I'm pretty sure] and OnlyZerg [not sure who this is, not very good probably] practising with me this afternoon.

+ Show Spoiler [game 1] +

Fighting Spirit:

I've played this map the most, and I feel that double gate opening is very effective on this map. I saw ssak at 1, and saw his marines, so I knew he was going with the SK push. I chose to place my goons at 12, and move them downwards to avoid the main entrance [avoid mines], and waited for opportunities for him to move out so that I can move the goons in. Ssak played extremely safe, and did not push out, so I was already behind from the opening because I made eight goons before I put down my nat.

I made small gains afterwards, but ssak managed to kill off my third, so I was instantly put at a disadvantage. This disadvantage became bigger and bigger due to skill differences, and naturally lost the game.


+ Show Spoiler [game 2] +

Circuit Breaker:

Four player map, and farther spawns than FS, so I chose to fast expand. I chose tech after fast expand so that I can have faster goon range to preparation for SCV + rine + vulture + bunker [i.e. typical Terran response to FE]. Ssak also chose FE, when I saw his SCV with my Zealot from 1 o'clock, I knew he was at 5. After I saw his bunker, I knew he also went FE, so I shot at his bunker with my ranged goons [to make him lose minerals and mining time] and harassed with my reaver and upgraded shuttle speed. I attacked from the front while harassing, hoping to upset the tempo/pace [this is a commonly discussed topic in the current Chinese scene, talking about the tempo and pace of a player, post in the bottom if this doesn't make sense], and there was also the possibility that I could win right then and there. Ssak defended very well, but I still killed SCVs with my reaver. I knew T only had 2 gasses, so I chose to go with carriers, which is how I won. Ssak's push was a little careless, and I knew I had won after I fended it off.


+ Show Spoiler [game 3] +

Destination:

Everything went as I had planned for this game. I prepared for FE and hide robo behind his nat. I also prepared ahead of time that if he went with an SCV counter, I would give up my natural and defend the high ground, and use reavers and DTs. I was a little greedy in the game, and made a zealot instead of dragoon for a quicker robo. This caused ssak to sneak in his vulture. Luckily I killed it with my probes. I was also lucky that ssak started building tanks instead of vultures [to siege vs to push and harass]. Afterwards, I won with my reaver and DT. Went exactly as I had planned.


+ Show Spoiler [game 4] +

Aztec:

My stategy going into this game was forward gateway -> zealot -> goon. I studied his games from before where he opened standard SK, and wanted to keep him in the low ground. Unfortunately, ssak opened with Barracks FE, and immediately prepared for reaver drop, so my strategy did not work as planned.

The key point of the game was that I forgot to upgrade Stasis, and did not start the research until I had 90 energy for my first arbiter. This allowed ssak to successfully push towards my 3rd. I waited for my stasis, and did not push back. If I had stasis, I would have probably broken out of the contain.

I was very nervous in this game because I felt I was very closing to winning three games. I didn't play as well as I did in the first three.


+ Show Spoiler [game 5] +

Medusa:

I chose a no-robo fast carrier build for this map because there is no quick third gas. Carriers are also very good on this map.

I built up a large army in the beginning while teching to carriers. Ssak played very cautiously, and I did not find a single opening to attack with my large army. When I finally attacked, it had a terrible outcome because I lost all of my army and my 4th. I didn't even buy myself some more time to build more carriers. Medusa has a very flat centre and I was not about to walk around the terran army. I also realized that I forgot to upgrade interceptor capacities towards the end. It was overall a very regretful game.


Final thoughts

The difference is definitely there. There was a lot of pressure playing against ex pros. I hope there will be more of these games between Chinese and Korean players. There are no more pro clubs in China and Korea, but as long as there are people who enjoy the game [both players and fans], we can still keep BW alive.

Thanking the sponsor and hoping Fengzi play well in RO8 of SRT.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 18 2013 15:01 GMT
#2
Thanks a lot Cambium, gonna watch that now.
ॐ
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 18 2013 15:11 GMT
#3
Judging from the commentaries from Jaystar during the last match I think he got too nervous and that got the best of him. Anyway thank you for doing this cambium looking forward for more of this.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
August 18 2013 15:19 GMT
#4
awwww yeah thank you!!!
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
August 18 2013 16:00 GMT
#5
This is great, thank you.
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
August 18 2013 17:40 GMT
#6
Woooo more stuff to watch, thanks so much for bringing this to us Cambium!

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
August 18 2013 19:47 GMT
#7
Wow, Jaystar did really, really well. Good preparation and with little less nerves, he could've taken Ssak out.

Also, I think the comment about 'upsetting one's tempo / pace' is their way of saying 'to throw off the opponent from his comfort zone' or perhaps 'to gain momentum' (I don't know Chinese, just guessing because 'upsetting tempo' taken literally doesn't make any sense at all). Either way, thanks Cambium, those are another couple promising replays to go through.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
August 18 2013 23:16 GMT
#8
hmh im gonna watch some of those right now. Im most interested in the chinese scene now, especially when it serves me in getting an idea of the players strength. Therefore showmatches against SOSPA players are great.
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